OK, I do respect that someone has actually posted some pro-Leave defenses. And I do acknowledge that bickering after the fact is probably not going to help now. But I still have to take issue with some of the things being said there, sorry. Put it down to me being a terrible person, if you like.
Before we can help anyone, surely we need to be in a state where all the people already here are okay? Hence my desire to curb the numbers.
So at some point in the future, you envisage Britain being able to announce "Yup, literally everyone on this island is doing okay! Let's go help some foreigners now!"? The real reason that not everyone is okay is nothing to do with immigration, it's to do with inequality in our economic model and underinvestment in social welfare. Both of which will get worse now. (Please consider that Victorian Britain didn't need *any* immigrants around to make life a shitty living hell for the white working class).
I can't remember where I read it, but the UK was NATO's largest contributer - that isn't right when we're struggling with domestic issues, why on earth are we giving so much money away?
Well, obviously not, the USA will be far and away the biggest NATO contributor, I'm guessing the UK and France will be second and third due to their UN security council seats. I'd never expected to see a Leave argument which classed "having an army" as "giving money away". I'm actually with you on the scope to reduce the UK's military budget, with one caveat - this has no place in an anti EU argument as it has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU.
I'm not a racist, old or uneducated. The very fact that those statistics are being shoved out is insulting because it has no baring on the result
Not everything that you don't like the tone of should be taken as a personal insult. Those statistics do have a bearing on *understanding* the result. Especially in the absence of coherent arguments on what leaving the EU will actually achieve, or how it will address the problems that the Leave group have cited (i.e. immigration. Leaving the EU will not stop, or even help to stop, immigration. I can't stress that enough).
The fact that the EU has been very secretive doesn't sit well with me.
*Is* it secretive though? I completely agree that most people don't know about its inner workings, myself included, but I always put that down to it simply being as boring as fuck. No conspiracy there, surely?
The EU is being used as a scapegoat for problems that are simply nothing to do with it.