WOOHOO, A male player!
Hi Zaer. I'll answer your points in a moment. One thing I will point out is that the aliens are called Mrinka, which is Mrinari for "People". All people everywhere call themselves "People"!
If there was value to keeping the prisoners other than simply preventing them going back to fight on then there is purpose to guarding them and so would not be hnahagrrr (with as many r's and g's as required). The simple solution would be to simply kill the prisoners (or not allow them to surrender) as I'm sure the Mrinka have know knowledge of Geneva or what came out of it.
Ah typos, they can totally change the meaning of a sentence. You meant "have no
You are correct, they have no way whatever of knowing anything of the Geneva Convention, and anyway, does the geneva convention even apply to extra-terrestrial beings? *shrug*
So the question becomes: why would this race keep and feed a group of inferior being?
The primary guiding principal of hnahag us not to kill except at need and not to waste anything. Killing a creature that poses no threat is hnahagrrr. The dilemma is not why the prisoners are kept alive, but how to ensure they continue to pose no threat when they seem intent on returning to threat status?
We must know or have something they want.
Not necessarily. Remember, the prisoners were not deliberately
captured. The Mrinka dod not set out to catch some humans to study - well, not in this case anyway. Quite the reverse, the humans laud down their weapons and asked to be captured rather than die honourably! So, no, the humans in this case don't have anything the Mrinka want
knowledge - perhaps about the invasion. But the grunts (like my character would be) simply do as they're told and have no view of the overall plan
Something we have - maybe immunity against a virus, something that is radically different - like our mating habits.
What about curiosity - we are so different in how we behave that the Mrinka have chosen to study us, to determine how we react under specific conditions. This would give them valuable insight into how they should fight us.
two of those are valid points. Immunity is irrelevant. Bacteria and viruses will not cross-infect. At least, not yet. Give it a few centuries for microbiological evolution to work it's thing and maybe... But not yet...
However, as you point out, the troops on the ground will actually no less about their side's movements than the enemy's intelligence people. As for studying, that is actually a possible solution to the dilemma: All the guards are scientists....
Perhaps part of their code (hnahag) is the answer; hnahag dictates to hunt to feed yourself and not leave nothing wasted in process from the kill (fur, bones, meat, blood etc). Same could applied to science and knowlegde in their perspective; captured humans are catched prey but instead killing them they study and learn from them (and thus use knowlegde gained against us naturally in the war). So guarding a valuable prey which can feed entire tribe (or save nation this case) is hnahag.
This is actually quite close, but you are answering Catherine, and not me!
As I pointed out, the dilemma is not whether the captives should be kept alive and looked after, but what to do with them when they clearly have no intention of keeping their word and remaining captives.
Sort I can imagine a Mrina who raises sheep (or their eguivalent of one) who sees then predator to try take away/kill the sheep (sheep which Mrinan uses to feed his/her family from wool it collects), rushing to kill predator and guarding the sheep is hnahag. Or is there agriculture at all amongst Mrinan? Meaning raising animals for milk/wool? Or is it more raising animals and butchered later on (like pigs). I think if we continue speak of the farmer, he likely weeds out any sick/old animals out (either killing for meat or incase predator attack let predator enjoy it's catch but issue comes if the predator goes after young/healthy sheep).
The closest Kraahhi animal to a sheep is the fvirr. Just as the closest to a cow is the Yllala. Mrinka society is as technologically advanced as Human society. Industry, agriculture, commerce. And you are correct in the assumption that selective breeding takes place in Mrinka agriculture - in fact there is a measure of genetic engineering.
Or there could be that hnahag dictates 'those who submit to you, you must hurt but also hold responsible for their life'. As submited being is entirely on your mercy and thus wastefully them getting them killed (or sick and dead) is hnahagrrr act.
Absolutely correct. This is stated quite explicitly in the Wiki. It is hnahagrrr to kill unless you need to. Killing for food or in self defence is hnahag.
However, this does not resolve the dilemma.
Anycase pokes the thread for interest, possibly as human prisoner (a soldier) who surrendered.
I'd love a few more male players. I'd also like a few brave (or foolish) souls to be willing to play Mrinka!
Okay, to re-state:
The code of hnahag dictates that it is wrong to kill for any reason other than self defence or food, and that all parts of a prey animal that can be used must be used, and that the animal's sacrifice must be honoured.
Once an animal is domesticated, it rarely turns vicious again - obviously Earth dogs are an exception to this rule, but this is almost always because of treatment by humans and in those rare occasions when it is not, it is because the animal is sick. A herd of domestic cattle will not suddenly start charging and goring people at random - not without severe provocation anyway!
This is the Mrinka's experience with other subjugated species: Once subjugated, they remain so, content to learn the ways of Hnahag. It is rare for some members of a species to submit to Mrinka rule, while others keep on fighting. And it is unheard of for a subject species to rebel, either in whole or in part.
But the human's code dictates that to surrender is only a temporary thing and at the first opportunity it should be abrogated.
Worth pointing out here, something mentioned in the US Army code of conduct mentioned previously: "I will accept [no] parole".
During the Napoleonic wars, and in all previous wars, if an enemy officer was captured, he was offered parole. That is, his weapons would be returned to him and he would be allowed to remain unbound and unguarded, once he had given his word that he would make no attempt to escape. Because in those days a gentleman's word was his bond, paroled enemy officers were allowed considerable freedom. Of course if they were rescued that was another matter.
This concept of parole would be almost familiar to the Mrinka. Released on good behaviour. The subject race, once they surrendered en mass would be watched and taught, but would not be actively guarded. So, when the first human prisoners of war fail to return and start committing acts of sabotage (another less than familiar concept to the Mrinka), the Mrinka are at first confused, thenangry, and finally saddened.
So they construct camps to keep the captives in. But how do the Mrinka High Command get other Mrinka to guard these captives that clearly need to be guarded? Scientific study? Nope. That would be a lot easier if they were free and behaving themselves. Say that it ios protecting the Mrinka from a dangerous animal? But if the animal is dangerous, why keep it? Dangerous animals are all over the place, and are usually kept away from population centres, but they are allowed to roam free and hunt naturally. They are only considered dangerous if they come too close to Mrinka dwellings. These aliens claim not to be dangerous, they tell us they are subjugated, and yet if we leave them, they deliberately try and become dangerous.
Yeah..... So, I am going to give it until Saturday to see if anyone can come up with the answer...