In your honest opinion, who do you think has the best chance of becoming POTUS?

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Orval Wintermute

Quote from: Cassandra LeMay on November 08, 2016, 10:50:48 PM
Wins in PA, Mi, and WI. I think unless she can nab all three of those states she's toast.
Don't forget the Democrat elector in Washington who said they wouldn't vote for Clinton

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Sara Nilsson

how the fuck did we end up like this?

For the first time in a while I find myself staring at something sharp to use on myself again

*rocks and cries*
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Tamhansen

Quote from: Lustful Bride on November 08, 2016, 10:55:04 PM
Numbers I am seeing are

Clinton 209 and Trump 232

Have him at 244 atm.
The only block to stop him is those three states up north, but I have my doubts there
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Quote from: Sara Nilsson on November 08, 2016, 11:01:37 PM
how the fuck did we end up like this?

For the first time in a while I find myself staring at something sharp to use on myself again

*rocks and cries*

Yo, me too. I honestly know what you mean. *offers hugs*
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Lustful Bride

....im not saying that if the Army mounted a coup...id join them....buuuttt....I certainly would not resist them. >_>

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To seek, by ways unknown to all,
The promise of the waterfall.

Beguile's Mistress

I'm upset and my blood pressure is up again tonight but this is not a cause for us to give up, to hurt ourselves or to feel that this is the end.  We need to be strong and keep our backs straight and our senses strong and push every politician we need to push to get what we need.

If Trump wins the fight still goes on and we are the warriors.

Lustful Bride

Quote from: Sara Nilsson on November 08, 2016, 11:01:37 PM
how the fuck did we end up like this?

For the first time in a while I find myself staring at something sharp to use on myself again

*rocks and cries*

Don't, because it doesn't help the situation in any way. You only make it worse for yourself. Even if he wins, get up tomorrow morning and soldier on. Keep the stiff upper lip, march in protest to whatever the idiot in the wig does and make your voice heard.


Quote from: Tamhansen on November 08, 2016, 11:05:47 PM
Yeah, sadly most of the army brass was with trump.

Top Brass being idiots? What else is new? :P

TheGlyphstone

Trump is on track to win the presidency, and the Republicans are going to sweep the Senate. Welcome to the social rights of the 1950's, everyone.

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Quote from: Sara Nilsson on November 08, 2016, 11:01:37 PM
how the fuck did we end up like this?

For the first time in a while I find myself staring at something sharp to use on myself again

*rocks and cries*

I think it is pretty clear how we ended up here.

Step 1) Disenfranchise as many Bernie supporters as you can. Including rigging the primary, lying about it, trotting out the main perpetrator as your campaign buddy (DWS), insult them and call them names (Bernie Bros, misogynists for not supporting a woman, etc)
Step 2) Disenfranchise as many independents/undecideds as possible. Includes calling them names, deleting them on Facebook, belittling their "protest votes" or insulting them when they bring up anything negative about Hillary when they talk about their concerns voting for her when they're still undecided.
Step 3) Pay attention to all the popular polls, in which every single oversampled Democrats to tell an inaccurate narrative. I assume this was to make them sure they could win and ensure a big turnout, but instead it made people complacent, making them stay at home while their opponents saw the polls and surged to try to rectify it. Oops.
Step 4) Lose.

It is disappointing, but the extreme left brought this on themselves. This election had people on the left insulting people in the center (and right) at every turn. They are the ones who created all these Trump supporters and now they're going to have to live with it.

Cassandra LeMay

Quote from: Sara Nilsson on November 08, 2016, 11:01:37 PM
how the fuck did we end up like this?

For the first time in a while I find myself staring at something sharp to use on myself again
Please don't do that. Instead look for local organizations you can support. Resist what might be coming from the ground up. Whatever may happen to the nation, there are still things you can do to make certain at least your neighbourhood doesn't go down the drain.

As for how this could happen?

It pains me a little to say so in such stark terms, but there are no two ways around it: Because a whole lot of Americans are stupid! I am sorry, but there is really no other explanation I can think of.
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Cassandra LeMay

Quote from: TheGlyphstone on November 08, 2016, 11:07:59 PM
Trump is on track to win the presidency, and the Republicans are going to sweep the Senate. Welcome to the social rights of the 1950's, everyone.
I assume that's a typo, right? You mean 1850's instesd of 1950's?
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Lustful Bride

As bad as it looks, itl be okay.

Itl be okay.

Itl pass, the pain will come, and it will go.

Tamhansen

Quote from: Cassandra LeMay on November 08, 2016, 11:09:02 PM
It pains me a little to say so in such stark terms, but there are no two ways around it: Because a whole lot of Americans are stupid! I am sorry, but there is really no other explanation I can think of.

I hate to use the word ignorance as it is a laden term, but I feel that a lot of people, in the US and everywhere else (Look at brexit) are being ignorant about reality, and listen only to the echo chamber of biased media and worse "social media" where facts are disregarded.
ons and offs

They left their home of summer ease
Beneath the lowland's sheltering trees,
To seek, by ways unknown to all,
The promise of the waterfall.

TheGlyphstone

Not stupid so much as gullible. As ReijiTabbito has pointed out, there's a large groundswell of people who are genuinely concerned and seeing their entire life basically crumble - Trump's slick showmanship seduced them into thinking he was their 'champion'. Those farmers and factory workers are the silent majority of Trump voters, while the racists and assholes make all the noise.

And Hillary basically hit all the possible buttons she could to alienate moderates.

MiraMirror

I'm so scared right now.   I feel like I'm going to be forced to hide from anyone around me or something.   I'm scared my S.O.  is going to be hurt because they are who they are, and I am what I am.   How did people think it was okay to do this to people?
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Quote from: Lustful Bride on November 08, 2016, 11:11:54 PM
As bad as it looks, itl be okay.

Itl be okay.

Itl pass, the pain will come, and it will go.

Will it be okay? The most powerful country in the world is declaring that ignorance is better than intelligence. That hatred is the standard by which we should live. That America stands behind a rapist because the thought of following a woman is repugnant.

gaggedLouise

Quote from: TheGlyphstone on November 08, 2016, 11:07:59 PM
Trump is on track to win the presidency, and the Republicans are going to sweep the Senate. Welcome to the social rights of the 1950's, everyone.

Now I know how people opposing Nixon and his "middle America" felt back in '72. Except there's no obvious Watergate story around this time.

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Quote from: MiraMirror on November 08, 2016, 11:14:05 PM
I'm so scared right now.   I feel like I'm going to be forced to hide from anyone around me or something.   I'm scared my S.O.  is going to be hurt because they are who they are, and I am what I am.   How did people think it was okay to do this to people?

*embraces you* Don't fear so hard. Despite what some might say. Not every single trump supporter is a raving racist.

This whole fucking mess was a choice between two evils and the bigger evil won for a change. But that doesn't mean everyone down below is evil. Its time to embrace eachother and share the pain.

Pain divided is pain lessened.

Quote from: DarkPrince on November 08, 2016, 11:15:29 PM
Will it be okay? The most powerful country in the world is declaring that ignorance is better than intelligence. That hatred is the standard by which we should live. That America stands behind a rapist because the thought of following a woman is repugnant.

*shrug* Well tough fucking shit. I did my part, and lost. No use fucking crying now....I might literaly vomit because I think im gonna vomit.

But im gonna get up tomorrow and keep looking for work and try to fix the country as best as I can in every way I can.

Orval Wintermute

Quote from: Sara Nilsson on November 08, 2016, 11:01:37 PM
how the fuck did we end up like this?
In some ways it shouldn't be that surprising, right wing populist politics has been on the rise across the west for the last decade. Brexit, the National Front in France, the 5 star party in Italy the list goes on and on.
Globalization, the rise of the BRIC nations, a decade of war in the Middle East and the rise Islamic extremism; they all play into the right wing, nationalist narrative.   

TheSithChicken

Quote from: Lustful Bride on November 08, 2016, 11:17:40 PM
But im gonna get up tomorrow and keep looking for work and try to fix the country as best as I can in every way I can.

There's not going to be anything left to fix.

Sabre

Quote from: Orange Marmalade on November 08, 2016, 11:08:17 PMIt is disappointing, but the extreme left brought this on themselves. This election had people on the left insulting people in the center (and right) at every turn. They are the ones who created all these Trump supporters and now they're going to have to live with it.

Technically, it's the extreme left that was scorned here with the sidelining of Sanders and his coalition, almost foiling the way the Republicans tried but failed to resist the far right that rode the immigration issue with Trump. Clinton and the business classes of both Democratic and Republican parties were the center, and over the past two or three decades the centrist Democrats have done nothing but try and compromise with the Republicans who never really reciprocated and instead drifted further right.

It might be interesting if in the next couple of years, just as we saw with the Tea Party, we might see the far left that the Clinton campaign decried as the 'Red Army' make a return.

Lustful Bride

Not with that attitude.

Im gonna go and show as much love and kidness as I can, and I will fight whatever injustices I see and protest all I can.

Its al I can do.  And im gonna do it.