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Offline Juggtacular

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #175 on: January 29, 2016, 06:18:45 PM »
Heh, well he's Roy's sponsor, so I think that means he doesn't have to be an alcoholic himself, but is there to keep Roy teetotal... I know they're doing a twelve step program together... I guess I should do some research on alcoholism...  ::)

Alcoholism and Cannibalism aren't too far apart lol.

Offline DoomsdayTopic starter

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #176 on: January 29, 2016, 06:42:38 PM »
Alcoholism and Cannibalism aren't too far apart lol.

*Looks at Shiner Bock in hand*
*takes another swig*

Offline Giantmutantcrab

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #177 on: January 29, 2016, 08:12:25 PM »
wander,

the 12-step program is pretty much the blueprint that most if not all *A programs use.  Alcoholics anonymous, Narcotics anonymous, Sex and Love addicts anonymous, Cocaine-users Anonymous, etc.  Basically...

A twelve-step program is a set of guiding principles outlining a course of action for tackling problems including alcoholism, drug addiction and compulsion. Originally proposed by Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) as a method of recovery from alcoholism,[1] the original Twelve Steps were first published in the 1939 book Alcoholics Anonymous: The Story of How More Than One Hundred Men Have Recovered from Alcoholism.[2] The method was adapted and became the foundation of other twelve-step programs.

As summarized by the American Psychological Association, the initial steps were six as follows:

admitting that one cannot control one's alcoholism, addiction or compulsion;
recognizing a higher power that can restore sanity;
examining past errors with the help of a sponsor (experienced member);
making amends for these errors;
learning to live a new life with a new code of behavior;
helping others who suffer from the same alcoholism, addictions or compulsions.

So in depth, the twelve steps are:

Twelve Steps[edit]
The following are the original twelve steps as published by Alcoholics Anonymous:[10]

We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.
Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
Having had a spiritual experience[11] as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to other alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Now for those of us who are non-religious, a few of these steps can be a problem.  I, for one, dislike the underlining suggestion that it is in someone's most vulnerable state that you try and squeeze in a little bit of christianity.  I feel that those who are addicts should be shouldered, not made to read religious books.

But nothing is preventing you from cutting out a couple of those steps and turning them into the 8-9 step program.

Being a former addict myself, I can tell you from experience that this stuff works.

One day at a time.  When that is too much, half a day at a time.  When THAT is too much, one hour at a time.  Increment by increment, you keep away from the addiction.  You step off.  You go towards something positive, something good.  You work harder, better, smarter.  You avoid the old traps, the old gathering points in your mind.  You build new roads in your life and in your mind.  The people that help you?  You keep them close.  Those who don't help you?  You don't keep them at all.  You make some hard choices, but you do them for you.

So...  Yeah if ever you needed some help about Roy and his addiction, I could always try to help.  My thing wasn't alcohol, but addiction is addiction.  You just change the poison.

Offline Amarlo

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #178 on: January 29, 2016, 08:19:44 PM »
wander,

the 12-step program is pretty much the blueprint that most if not all *A programs use.  Alcoholics anonymous, Narcotics anonymous, Sex and Love addicts anonymous, Cocaine-users Anonymous, etc.  Basically...

A twelve-step program is a set of guiding principles outlining a course of action for tackling problems including alcoholism, drug addiction and compulsion. Originally proposed by Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) as a method of recovery from alcoholism,[1] the original Twelve Steps were first published in the 1939 book Alcoholics Anonymous: The Story of How More Than One Hundred Men Have Recovered from Alcoholism.[2] The method was adapted and became the foundation of other twelve-step programs.

As summarized by the American Psychological Association, the initial steps were six as follows:

admitting that one cannot control one's alcoholism, addiction or compulsion;
recognizing a higher power that can restore sanity;
examining past errors with the help of a sponsor (experienced member);
making amends for these errors;
learning to live a new life with a new code of behavior;
helping others who suffer from the same alcoholism, addictions or compulsions.

So in depth, the twelve steps are:

Twelve Steps[edit]
The following are the original twelve steps as published by Alcoholics Anonymous:[10]

We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.
Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
Having had a spiritual experience[11] as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to other alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Now for those of us who are non-religious, a few of these steps can be a problem.  I, for one, dislike the underlining suggestion that it is in someone's most vulnerable state that you try and squeeze in a little bit of christianity.  I feel that those who are addicts should be shouldered, not made to read religious books.

But nothing is preventing you from cutting out a couple of those steps and turning them into the 8-9 step program.

Being a former addict myself, I can tell you from experience that this stuff works.

One day at a time.  When that is too much, half a day at a time.  When THAT is too much, one hour at a time.  Increment by increment, you keep away from the addiction.  You step off.  You go towards something positive, something good.  You work harder, better, smarter.  You avoid the old traps, the old gathering points in your mind.  You build new roads in your life and in your mind.  The people that help you?  You keep them close.  Those who don't help you?  You don't keep them at all.  You make some hard choices, but you do them for you.

So...  Yeah if ever you needed some help about Roy and his addiction, I could always try to help.  My thing wasn't alcohol, but addiction is addiction.  You just change the poison.

-Openly claps-

You sir, I like you. ;3

Offline DoomsdayTopic starter

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #179 on: January 29, 2016, 09:32:12 PM »
To anyone waiting for a response from the GM's, we might not get much going tonight, been burning the candle at both ends the last week sorting through an amazing amount of character apps and planning for some big events ::)

Promise you shooooould get a PM within 24 hours regarding your character apps.

Offline Giantmutantcrab

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #180 on: January 30, 2016, 05:37:21 AM »
-Openly claps-

You sir, I like you. ;3

Umm...  Thank you.  *lifts top hat*

^_^

Offline wander

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #181 on: January 30, 2016, 02:43:55 PM »
Thanks btw, GMC your post was really insightful and helpful. :)

I can see Roy being about halfway through those steps. In the Outlaws he knew he was scapegoating Queen over being kicked out of Q-Core but was not ready to make amends when they met when Oliver came to visit him, though given his thought boxes, one day he likely will. He did later in the Green Arrow series help Queen out in an arc very briefly, so perhaps he is on the way to completion by now.

He never really seemed religious at all in the comics and with not knowing the twelve steps I would never have guessed that's how they worked. So thanks for the explanation. I never really was going to do much with Roy's alcoholism in-game but have it as plot-seeds the GMs or other PCs could take from, I think it'd be hard to me to write an aspect of a character based on a real thing that I have less experience with that may offend others if mistreated... I totally do not want to offend others when writing! ^^;

It's actually peeked my interest that of all people, Killer Croc's his sponsor...  :-) Future NPC to show up in the game perhaps, eh GMs?

Offline Juggtacular

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #182 on: January 30, 2016, 02:47:34 PM »


It's actually peeked my interest that of all people, Killer Croc's his sponsor...  :-) Future NPC to show up in the game perhaps, eh GMs?

I can picture after a really rough few days, Roy has a meeting with Croc, and he accidentally sets a meeting with some of the other vigilantes at the same time/place. Then Croc shows up and he's surrounded by people ready to beat his ass and he's like, "Wait wait wait! I just came to give Roy his gold star for bein' sober six months today."

Offline wander

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #183 on: January 30, 2016, 02:51:05 PM »
I actually wonder how many people know he's his sponsor... Jason and Kori both know he's teetotalling and what he's doing, I'm not sure he's ever mentioned to those two (obviously only Jason is in the game) who was sponsoring him...

That's so wild... I can picture them all disbelieving Croc, ready to lay the smack down and it's Jason (the hot-headed one!) that tells them to back down, because it's true... ^^;

Offline Juggtacular

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #184 on: January 30, 2016, 02:53:40 PM »
Hahaha just seemed like a funny scenario. And then even after they find out it's true...well he's Killer Croc so they're ready to beat on him for everything else he's done.

As for who knows, that'd be completely up to you. I'm just thinking of funny ideas while I'm waiting on my app to go through lol.

Offline Giantmutantcrab

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #185 on: January 30, 2016, 08:42:59 PM »
I see the two of them sitting down at a café, talking together about how Roy feels.

People screaming in the streets, panicking, Croc gets up.

"SHUT UP OR I WILL EAT HALF OF YOU AND MAKE THE OTHER HALF WATCH!!!"

Everyone just kind of stops...  Roy looks up.

"Dude, that...  Might not be the best approach."

"Hey, you start by keeping away from bars for more than a week, THEN you come to me about my attitude, how's that for a deal?"

---

Wander

The "god" thing was really just put there as an ideal.  Basically, lots of addicts find themselves without any guidance, without anything, really.  The addiction is according to them a part of their life, but it is most of their life.  It is what they do when they are happy, when they are sad and when they are angry.  It's what they do, period.  It's a little bit everywhere.  Hey guys, great job tonight!  We caught Tobias Whale!  Let's go to the bar!  /  Aw, man, guys, Whale got away.  Shucks.  Say...  ANyone wants to drown their sorrow in booze?

The idea of god is the "higher power", as in someone stronger than oneself, since that onceself is clearly not able to keep off the bottle / dope / food / sex / porn / whatever.  So it's an ideal to reach to, to strive for.  A goal to work towards.  As a non-religious person, I first totally balked at the idea of a god, of any god, really.  But then I thought about it.  Honestly, change the phrasing from "god" to "whatever it is that inspires you and pushes you to be better".  Or just erase one step or two.  Or hell...  Maybe Roy is starting to be interested in religion, after all?  Maybe having him carring a little bible around on stakeouts, asking questions and talking about the lord might be a really different step?  Or not the christian god?  Maybe he tries to become a buddhist, or a taoist, or follow the Golden Rule of confucianism?

Sorry, I am really just flapping my lips aren't I.  I'm not even technically a player yet.

Offline wander

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #186 on: January 31, 2016, 09:36:08 AM »
Thanks for the intel, GMC. :)

I'll be thinking based on the character exactly what that bit he can put his faith in will be. :)

Offline Giantmutantcrab

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #187 on: February 02, 2016, 07:37:15 PM »
We got Batwoman!

Cool beans!

"Bull in a China shop" is amongst the best descriptions of a flaw I have read in a long time.

MAN I am so impatient to see if my new and improved application is accepted.

Offline Darwishi

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #188 on: February 02, 2016, 08:13:06 PM »
MAN I am so impatient to see if my new and improved application is accepted.

You and me both.  Although mine is less of an application and more of a proof of concept so I can create an application. XDD


Offline Giantmutantcrab

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #189 on: February 02, 2016, 08:17:07 PM »
You and me both.  Although mine is less of an application and more of a proof of concept so I can create an application. XDD

May I ask whom you will be playing?

Offline Juggtacular

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #190 on: February 02, 2016, 08:17:13 PM »
My own app took a good bit of retooling so no worries.

YOU CAN DO EEEET!!!

Offline Giantmutantcrab

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #191 on: February 02, 2016, 09:00:20 PM »
Yes! Bronze Tiger is approved, posted, and now I wanna get this started!

___

OH SHOOT

I just read that I need to have a relationship / acquaintance with two player characters and one GM character!

So, umm...  ...*scratches head*

Who wants to be my friend?  :P
« Last Edit: February 02, 2016, 09:19:21 PM by Giantmutantcrab »

Offline Darwishi

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #192 on: February 02, 2016, 09:24:49 PM »
May I ask whom you will be playing?

Potentially an original character.  Basically I sent in a lot of core concepts of characters so that the GM's can decide which core concept will fit best (if any) and then we can shape the character into the setting a bit more.  So...uh, we'll see? 

And if I get someone approved I will totally have them know/hate/love your character. =P

Offline wander

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #193 on: February 03, 2016, 09:55:05 AM »
Yes! Bronze Tiger is approved, posted, and now I wanna get this started!

___

OH SHOOT

I just read that I need to have a relationship / acquaintance with two player characters and one GM character!

So, umm...  ...*scratches head*

Who wants to be my friend?  :P

GMC, I recommend posting for interest in the OOC thread for a wider response. :)

Also, Roy and the Outlaws had a brief meet with Tiger back in that series, so Roy knows about him from that and the League of Assassins stuff at least. Haven't read that arc yet though, but if you have feel free to PM me and we can talk about that some. :)

Offline Darwishi

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #194 on: February 03, 2016, 12:19:38 PM »
What are the good/ritzy parts of Gotham? XDD

Offline Giantmutantcrab

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #195 on: February 03, 2016, 12:31:24 PM »
I believe that would be the Diamond District?

Offline Juggtacular

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #196 on: February 03, 2016, 01:08:32 PM »
Yes! Bronze Tiger is approved, posted, and now I wanna get this started!

___

OH SHOOT

I just read that I need to have a relationship / acquaintance with two player characters and one GM character!

So, umm...  ...*scratches head*

Who wants to be my friend?  :P

I could see Azrael and Bronze Tiger being friends. Maybe patrol together? Sparring partners? JP could even be a part-time instructor in his dojo?

Offline Darwishi

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #197 on: February 03, 2016, 02:22:28 PM »
I believe that would be the Diamond District?

Gotcha. Thanks!

Offline Giantmutantcrab

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #198 on: February 03, 2016, 02:40:01 PM »
I could see Azrael and Bronze Tiger being friends. Maybe patrol together? Sparring partners? JP could even be a part-time instructor in his dojo?

Considering that Ben is going to hire people from Gotham (giving local people jobs, etc), that would totally make sense.  Seeing JP's curriculum, he could have been the dude to set up the Tiger Dojo's internet and firewalls and all those series of tubes thingies that I know nothing of.  Hell, JP could be bouncer/instructor/tech-guy all in one, with all the stuff he can do.  :)

Offline Darwishi

Re: The Fallen Knight - Explore Gotham post-Batman! (Still Seeking!) (LGBTQA+)
« Reply #199 on: February 03, 2016, 03:47:03 PM »
May I ask whom you will be playing?

Also, a character named Red Vixen potentially.  I'm writing up the character sheet now.  She's a world-class gymnast though... so... flexible. =P