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Offline Strangefate

Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #175 on: January 18, 2016, 04:42:31 PM »
I feel like the fact Remiel didnít give us the clue Footprints kinda removes BAMFís Flip-Flops from consideration now.  I am slightly more interested in persephone as a suspect just because Cleaning Clothe fits Bathroom and Bodily Fluids quite well.  Also you tend to clean up at Night, right?   Hard to connect her murder methods to it though.  Virus is right out as Remiel didnít pick Illness/Disease.   Others feel more like Severe Injury.   Iím not hating Assassiniís last suggestion, simply for the fact that the Forensic Scientist would have been in a tough position to implicate Oil Stain with any of the clues offered so far and it is a fluid.  And of course Assassiniís Machine and Sunglasses must now also be considered I think.   Whatís more likely to leave an Oil Stain than Machine?  Why Bathroom as the location though? Thereís Electric Bike I guess but James is tough to connect to most of the clues.  Thereís also persephoneís Wrench, would could be oily, but you donít kill someone with a wrench by accident.

Offline James Moriarty

Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #176 on: January 19, 2016, 12:54:26 AM »
Player:Madame Professor
Means of Murder Cards:Packing Tape, Overdose, Mad Dog, Venomous Scorpion
Key Evidence Cards: Computer mouse, Cigarette Ash, Sock, Tissue

I am thinking Venomous Scorpion matches with accident and instantaneous, perhaps.  Tissue for bathroom.  Decay could come from scorpion bite or perhaps ash.  Summer night could easily go with scorpion as well.

Overdose... maybe.  I think I've given up on Electric Current because I can't really see any tie in to summer night or decay at all, covered up or not.

I'm not loving the oil stain theory, and beyond those, things seem really dicey.  What am I overlooking?

Offline James Moriarty

Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #177 on: January 19, 2016, 12:56:48 AM »
I thought machine and sunglasses, too, but ruled out sunglasses as being a balcony thing, not a bathroom thing.

Offline James Moriarty

Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #178 on: January 19, 2016, 12:58:01 AM »
"Yugi with the Sulphuric Acid and the Plastic Bottle."

I considered this, too, but... an accidental sulphuric acid death is pretty spectacular to consider.  I would have chosen severe injury most likely.  And most certainly not instantaneous...

Offline James Moriarty

Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #179 on: January 19, 2016, 01:04:54 AM »
Player: Verasaille
Means of Murder Cards: Pills, Poisonous needle, Dumbell, Plastic Bag
Key Evidence Cards: Earrings, Apple, Rat, Receipt

Ok, so yes, I agree.  Pills works -- could be accidental and instantaneous (though a little odd for instantaneous; though no less odd than overdose or scorpion, perhaps?).  Screams bathroom.  Decay... maybe rat, yes.  Summer night... could indicate rat or pills, in less direct ways.

I guess the combinations I can see working still are

Vera, pills, rat
MP, overdose, tissue
MP, overdose, ash
MP, scorpion, tissue
MP, scorpion, ash

Other proposals?  How many of us are there left?

Offline Verasaille

Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #180 on: January 19, 2016, 03:42:41 AM »
Don't waste a guess on me, I still think it is Blythe! I know I am stubborn. Lack of evidence now has me stymied.

I don't see pills as being instantaneous. Even a bug bite takes time. The only instant death weapons would be the electric current and the pistol.

Bodily fluid can be what happens when a body has an electric current through it accidentally when the victim slips on the oil stain, (bath oil or suntan oil?) In the bathroom in the summer at night after sunbathing all day. Severe sunburn can look like you are decaying. (peeling sunburnt skin)

So I am guessing Blythe with electric current, and oil stain for evidence.

Offline ThatRPGuyTopic starter

Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #181 on: January 19, 2016, 07:19:11 AM »
Don't waste a guess on me, I still think it is Blythe! I know I am stubborn. Lack of evidence now has me stymied.

I don't see pills as being instantaneous. Even a bug bite takes time. The only instant death weapons would be the electric current and the pistol.

Bodily fluid can be what happens when a body has an electric current through it accidentally when the victim slips on the oil stain, (bath oil or suntan oil?) In the bathroom in the summer at night after sunbathing all day. Severe sunburn can look like you are decaying. (peeling sunburnt skin)

So I am guessing Blythe with electric current, and oil stain for evidence.

Sorry Blythe! Investigators Win!!!

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Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #182 on: January 19, 2016, 07:41:17 AM »
Don't waste a guess on me, I still think it is Blythe! I know I am stubborn. Lack of evidence now has me stymied.

I don't see pills as being instantaneous. Even a bug bite takes time. The only instant death weapons would be the electric current and the pistol.

Bodily fluid can be what happens when a body has an electric current through it accidentally when the victim slips on the oil stain, (bath oil or suntan oil?) In the bathroom in the summer at night after sunbathing all day. Severe sunburn can look like you are decaying. (peeling sunburnt skin)

So I am guessing Blythe with electric current, and oil stain for evidence.

Sorry Blythe! Investigators Win!!!

Oh goddammit!! *laughs wryly*

I'm totally claiming credit for that! That's unfair!

*muttermutter* Usin' ma idea...

Offline Remiel

Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #183 on: January 19, 2016, 11:23:02 AM »
Oh, thank God.  Verasaille, you are my unlikely hero.

Yeah, the first three clues--Accident, Bathroom, Instantaneous--were supposed to make you all hone in on the Electric current.  Which you did.  So that was all according to plan.

Then I introduced Decayed, and you all completely lost it.    I don't know why--I think you all were completely fixated on the Bathroom.   But my thought process was oil stain = old car = decayed car.   I was so sure that at least one person would have solved this one after the fourth clue.  You have no idea how much facepalming I did this game.

Night and Summer were, admittedly, extremely weak clues, but they were all I had left.  (Night was primarily to eliminate the Wallet and the Invitation Card, and also night = black = oil?  Summer was, eh, summer = hot = needs lubrication = oil?)  Like I said, I didn't think they would even be necessary after Decayed, but apparently it sent you all down the wrong path. 

But credit, I suppose, should go to Blythe and BAMF who did an excellent job sewing confusion among you guys.   But congrats, Verasaille, for seeing past their obfuscation and picking the correct answer.

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Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #184 on: January 19, 2016, 11:43:15 AM »
Not gonna lie, Summer totally threw me off. >< I got the stretch from decayed with the oil stain, but then Summer came along and I was like, crap, I'm way off base. Then my guess flopped and I had to look at things again.

Well played, though!

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Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #185 on: January 19, 2016, 12:04:10 PM »
Oh, thank God.  Verasaille, you are my unlikely hero.

Yeah, the first three clues--Accident, Bathroom, Instantaneous--were supposed to make you all hone in on the Electric current.  Which you did.  So that was all according to plan.

Then I introduced Decayed, and you all completely lost it.    I don't know why--I think you all were completely fixated on the Bathroom.   But my thought process was oil stain = old car = decayed car.   I was so sure that at least one person would have solved this one after the fourth clue.  You have no idea how much facepalming I did this game.

Night and Summer were, admittedly, extremely weak clues, but they were all I had left.  (Night was primarily to eliminate the Wallet and the Invitation Card, and also night = black = oil?  Summer was, eh, summer = hot = needs lubrication = oil?)  Like I said, I didn't think they would even be necessary after Decayed, but apparently it sent you all down the wrong path. 

But credit, I suppose, should go to Blythe and BAMF who did an excellent job sewing confusion among you guys.   But congrats, Verasaille, for seeing past their obfuscation and picking the correct answer.

Well...

That's just hurtful... :P

Offline Remiel

Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #186 on: January 19, 2016, 12:10:00 PM »
The thing is, you have to realize that the Forensic Scientist doesn't always have the best choices available.

So, for example, when I had to pick Time of Day, what was I to do to make you guys focus on the Oil Stain?  All I had was Dawn, Morning, Noon, Afternoon, Evening, Night.   Clearly the best choice is "none of the above" but that wasn't an option.   :-\

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Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #187 on: January 19, 2016, 12:33:01 PM »
Decayed really threw me off from Electric Current. Then Summer which went way more off track.

Offline Verasaille

Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #188 on: January 19, 2016, 01:03:44 PM »
Lady Verasaille takes a bow. "I know I had it the first clue, but the rest of those clues did have me scratching my head."

I am glad we are all up for another game!!


Offline Strangefate

Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #189 on: January 19, 2016, 08:17:46 PM »
Congrats Verasaille!  And a polite hat tip to Assassini as well who also mentioned that possibility.  I have to admit that while I wrote above that I found some merit in the Electric Current/Oil Stain argument, Iím not sure I would have ever actually guessed it myself.  So Iím glad that someone did.  :-)   That seemed like a rather tough round Ė Remiel really didnít get a lot in the way of clues to point us towards Oil Stain.

Offline James Moriarty

Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #190 on: January 19, 2016, 09:54:20 PM »
Wow!  Awesome, Verasaille!  Way to hold your ground and win it!

Offline ThatRPGuyTopic starter

Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #191 on: January 20, 2016, 10:40:19 PM »
As always, the cards and clues are updated in the first post to keep things tidy.

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Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #192 on: January 20, 2016, 11:15:58 PM »
Round 3!

As usual, please wait for the FS to make their initial posting before beginning discussion.

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Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #193 on: January 20, 2016, 11:44:09 PM »
Cause of Death- Suffocation, Severe Injury, Loss of Blood, Illness/Disease, Poisoning, Accident

The FS has chosen: Severe Injury.

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Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #194 on: January 20, 2016, 11:54:51 PM »
I was going to make a list but after getting halfway through one I realized there are so many things that could cause Severe Injury it wouldnít be very helpful at this point.

So Iíll wait for the next clue before saying anything.  Except, you know, this  :P 

(Not going to lie though, I'm already kinda hoping it's the chainsaw...  ;) )

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Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #195 on: January 21, 2016, 12:10:18 AM »
Can we all just take a moment... to appreciate the fact that JM left a cat behind as evidence...?

Like.. I can't even right now.

(Not going to lie though, I'm already kinda hoping it's the chainsaw...  ;) )

(-giggles- Me too!)

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Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #196 on: January 21, 2016, 12:19:05 AM »
Severe Injury, huh? Here's what I'm going to do--I think that this is enough to eliminate things already. Let's look at what perse didn't pick as Causes.

Anything that's a poison is right out. Powder Drug wouldn't make sense here. Poisonous Gas would be Suffocation or Poisoning, so it's out. Illegal Drug and Liquid Drug are right out. Mercury is out since it's a method of poisoning. Alcohol is more likely to be poisoning or accident. Wine doesn't seem to be a good one for the same reason. Radiation is more likely to be poisoning as a method of death than any of the others. Snake and chemicals are poisonous to me. Poisonous needle is out. Arsenic is also better known as a poisonous method of death. So I'd narrow it down thusly already. Poison death are hard to mistake for something else so I think we should eliminate overtly poisonous methods of death.

Player: Yugi006
Means of Murder Cards: Powder Drug, Metal Wire, Pillow, Sculpture

Player: Strangefate
Means of Murder Cards: Poisonous Gas, Scarf, Electric Current, Plastic Bag

Player: Remiel
Means of Murder Cards: Sniper, Illegal Drug, Drill, Liquid Drug

Player: Assassini
Means of Murder Cards: Mercury, Drown, Chainsaw, Boxcutter

Player: Blythe
Means of Murder Cards: Alcohol, Kerosene, Machete, Hammer

Player:Madame Professor
Means of Murder Cards:Wire, Razor Blade, Whip, Bamboo Tip

Player: BAMF
Means of Murder Cards: Wrench, Surgery, Bite and Tear, Wine

Player: Verasaille
Means of Murder Cards: Trophy, Push, Folding Chair, Radiation

Player: James Moriarty
Means of Murder Cards: Blender, Towel, Venemous Snake, Chemicals

Player: Derwaysh
Means of Murder Cards: Poisonous Needle, Machine, Cleaver, Unarmed

Player: Red Pheonix
Means of Murder Cards: Ice Skates, Locked Room, Sulfuric Acid, Arsenic
« Last Edit: January 21, 2016, 12:37:28 AM by Blythe »

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Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #197 on: January 21, 2016, 12:35:04 AM »
Double post.  ;D

Again, let's look at what persephone did not pick! Sometimes what a FS does not pick is as important as what they do pick.

Suffocation and Severe Injury are also not likely to have too terribly much in the way of overlapping methods, although it was easier eliminating poisonous methods. So as it stands, murder methods that would primarily suffocate should also be eliminated, I believe. I think early on, making obvious associations and eliminations is easier, and we want to do that now. As the cards go on, they're more likely to be more obscure and harder, so I think the first few cards are vitally important for making our first clear eliminations/deductions.

Pillow would fit Suffocation better than anything else. Plastic bag and Scarf would better fit Suffocation than anything else. Drowning is a direct method of suffocation. Towel is something that, like scarfs and plastic bags, is best suited to suffocation. I can't imagine persephone picking 'severe injury' for any of these things, especially considering that there are a lot of things that very readily take 'Severe Injury" as a more obvious association.

So that narrows it down quite a ways further for the Cause of Death. Revised strikeouts:

Player: Yugi006
Means of Murder Cards: Powder Drug, Metal Wire, Pillow, Sculpture

Player: Strangefate
Means of Murder Cards: Poisonous Gas, Scarf, Electric Current, Plastic Bag

Player: Remiel
Means of Murder Cards: Sniper, Illegal Drug, Drill, Liquid Drug

Player: Assassini
Means of Murder Cards: Mercury, Drown, Chainsaw, Boxcutter

Player: Blythe
Means of Murder Cards: Alcohol, Kerosene, Machete, Hammer

Player:Madame Professor
Means of Murder Cards:Wire, Razor Blade, Whip, Bamboo Tip

Player: BAMF
Means of Murder Cards: Wrench, Surgery, Bite and Tear, Wine

Player: Verasaille
Means of Murder Cards: Trophy, Push, Folding Chair, Radiation

Player: James Moriarty
Means of Murder Cards: Blender, Towel, Venemous Snake, Chemicals

Player: Derwaysh
Means of Murder Cards: Poisonous Needle, Machine, Cleaver, Unarmed

Player: Red Pheonix
Means of Murder Cards: Ice Skates, Locked Room, Sulfuric Acid, Arsenic
« Last Edit: January 21, 2016, 12:36:53 AM by Blythe »

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Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #198 on: January 21, 2016, 02:00:49 AM »
Looking through this list at the beginning has me cracking up. Some of those evidence cards!!

I think you are on the right track, Blythe. To me severe injury would be brutal. I imagine a weapon as something either sharp or massive definitely bloody and messy.

Topping my list would be:(in no particular order)

Player: Yugi006
Means of Murder Cards: Powder Drug, Metal Wire, Pillow, Sculpture

Player: Remiel
Means of Murder Cards: Sniper, Illegal Drug, Drill, Liquid Drug

Player: Assassini
Means of Murder Cards: Mercury, Drown, Chainsaw, Boxcutter

Player: Blythe
Means of Murder Cards: Alcohol, Kerosene, Machete, Hammer

Player:Madame Professor
Means of Murder Cards:Wire, Razor Blade, Whip, Bamboo Tip

Player: Derwaysh
Means of Murder Cards: Poisonous Needle, Machine, Cleaver, Unarmed

Followed by less likely:

Player: Strangefate
Means of Murder Cards: Poisonous Gas, Scarf, Electric Current, Plastic Bag

Player: BAMF
Means of Murder Cards: Wrench, Surgery, Bite and Tear, Wine

Player: Verasaille
Means of Murder Cards: Trophy, Push, Folding Chair, Radiation

Player: James Moriarty
Means of Murder Cards: Blender, Towel, Venemous Snake, Chemicals

Player: Red Pheonix
Means of Murder Cards: Ice Skates, Locked Room, Sulfuric Acid, Arsenic

Of course we need more clues to narrow it down. Let's hope the FS has some good ones coming up.




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Re: Deception: Murdered in Hong Kong Game Thread
« Reply #199 on: January 21, 2016, 06:56:53 AM »
Looking through this list at the beginning has me cracking up. Some of those evidence cards!!

I think you are on the right track, Blythe. To me severe injury would be brutal. I imagine a weapon as something either sharp or massive definitely bloody and messy.

Topping my list would be:(in no particular order)

Player: Yugi006
Means of Murder Cards: Powder Drug, Metal Wire, Pillow, Sculpture

Player: Remiel
Means of Murder Cards: Sniper, Illegal Drug, Drill, Liquid Drug

Player: Assassini
Means of Murder Cards: Mercury, Drown, Chainsaw, Boxcutter

Player: Blythe
Means of Murder Cards: Alcohol, Kerosene, Machete, Hammer

Player:Madame Professor
Means of Murder Cards:Wire, Razor Blade, Whip, Bamboo Tip

Player: Derwaysh
Means of Murder Cards: Poisonous Needle, Machine, Cleaver, Unarmed

Followed by less likely:

Player: Strangefate
Means of Murder Cards: Poisonous Gas, Scarf, Electric Current, Plastic Bag

Player: BAMF
Means of Murder Cards: Wrench, Surgery, Bite and Tear, Wine

Player: Verasaille
Means of Murder Cards: Trophy, Push, Folding Chair, Radiation

Player: James Moriarty
Means of Murder Cards: Blender, Towel, Venemous Snake, Chemicals

Player: Red Pheonix
Means of Murder Cards: Ice Skates, Locked Room, Sulfuric Acid, Arsenic

Of course we need more clues to narrow it down. Let's hope the FS has some good ones coming up.

I think you might be being a bit liberal with your list there Vera (can someone say "Accomplice"?). Right now there's really not much we can do beyond crossing out what it is definitely not (as Blythe has). Especially as there is a fair bit of overlap between cards that might better suit " Loss of Blood".