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Offline Cassandra LeMay

Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #375 on: October 23, 2015, 07:50:32 AM »
I can't speak for everyone, but personally I lean toward her because she's a completely known factor that represents a fairly moderate path that promises a general lack of crazy.  In a race that I currently see devoid of anyone I actually WANT in the white house, she's the best option.  Bernie is a starry eyed idealist, which is great for feel good Hollywood but not as endearing for national leadership.  Having watched Obama founder on basic stuff like health care in a democratic legislature, I don't think Sanders will accomplish anything with socialism in a split government and I fear the outcome for our politics if he tries.  I would prefer stability and small improvements to grand disasters. 

In short, he has some good messages but I don't think he'd be able to actually carry them through.
Personally I'd rather give someone with ideals a chance and see him fail than give someone without ideals a chance to plod on with business as usual. The first case at least allows for a chance to go beyond mediocracy. At least Sanders is trying. All Clinton is trying is triangulating whatever focus group promises the most votes.

And if you want to avoid grand disasters, Sanders may actually be your man. Last really grand disaster for the US I recall is the financial crisis of 2008. A repeat of that would cost the American economy and taxpayer untold billions of dollars. So far I don't see regulation strong enough to stop something similar from happening again, and given where Clinton's campaign money comes from I wouldn't bet on her to do anything about Wall Street excesses.

Offline Cycle

Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #376 on: October 23, 2015, 08:07:54 AM »
And...  Chafee is out.


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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #377 on: October 23, 2015, 08:29:34 AM »
Was the poor man ever really in, though?

His campaign had a whopping ten donors funding it. That's kind of adorably sad.

Offline Cycle

Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #378 on: October 23, 2015, 08:39:39 AM »
So it looks like the answer to my question is:  nothing.

" 'I think... some of Jimmy Jordan's questioning...well, when you say new today, we knew some of that already, we knew about the emails... in terms of her testimony? I don't know if she testified that much differently today than she has previous times she has testified, so I would have to go back and look at the transcript,' Gowdy said."

WTF?!  Eleven hours and you got zip??  Just how dumb are you?  Eleven hours and you can't learn one d*mn thing?  I swear.  If any of you were working for me, you'd be fired.  That's just gross incompetence.


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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #379 on: October 23, 2015, 08:59:17 AM »
Carly Fiorina had this to say in part:

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I think she did reasonably well, Mrs. Fiorina said on ABCs Good Morning America. I think it demonstrates that she wont be held accountable until we have a nominee in a general election debate who will hold her accountable.
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Hold her accountable for what exactly?  If they haven't been able to find anything in the previous what....six? investigations what the heck does the GOP think they are going to hold her accountable for?  It boggles my mind.

Offline Ebb

Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #380 on: October 23, 2015, 09:11:32 AM »

WTF?!  Eleven hours and you got zip??  Just how dumb are you?  Eleven hours and you can't learn one d*mn thing?  I swear.  If any of you were working for me, you'd be fired.  That's just gross incompetence.

Well, there are these employee reviews that come around every other November. But I imagine that you're not one of the hiring managers for this particular doofus.


Offline Cassandra LeMay

Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #381 on: October 23, 2015, 09:11:49 AM »
Carly Fiorina had this to say in part:
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Hold her accountable for what exactly?  If they haven't been able to find anything in the previous what....six? investigations what the heck does the GOP think they are going to hold her accountable for?  It boggles my mind.
It reminds me a bit of the CIA "enhanced interogation" program. Even when the interrogators would tell headquarters they were completely convinced someone didn't know anything, headquarters would usually tell them to waterboard him some more because they were certain the guy knew something, even if there was no rational basis for that assumption.

Providing complete, absolute proof that you do not know something is kinda difficult, and even those on the commitee who are not out to get Clinton have perhaps fully convinced themselves by now that she must be holding something back. Plus, admitting that there is no "smoking gun" would be akin to admitting that you have waste a whole lot of time - and taxpayer dollars. Doing that would take some courage. The longer these procedings take, the more some will fixate on looking for something that just isn't there, instead of admitting what must look like failure to them.

Offline Cycle

Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #382 on: October 23, 2015, 10:15:36 AM »
Gowdy may have handed Clinton the Presidency. 

Seriously, he provided her a stage to show the world how she handles stress and pressure.  And then he let her perform for eleven hours.  Eleven hours.  By all accounts, she remained calm, focused, strong, and skilled in face of the questions.  Questions which by Gowdy's own admission were pointless and futile.

Seven on one, and she prevailed you failed. 

The conservatives still won't vote for her, and the liberals will.  This hearing doesn't change any of that.  But the key independent voters have seen this side of Clinton.  Because you, Gowdy, gave her that opening.  And I suspect many were impressed by her.

Congressman, again I ask, just how dumb are you?

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #383 on: October 23, 2015, 01:00:49 PM »
As long as an ongoing.FBI investigation, which could easily disqualify Clinton from even running for President, exists, there is no reason to drop the e-mail situation. 

Actually, the FBI has stated that Clinton is not the target of the investigation.

Offline Cycle

Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #384 on: October 23, 2015, 03:29:51 PM »
Even more bad news for 3.0.  He's slashing his staff's pay yet again.  Not a good sign.  Not a good sign at all.

He's trying to put a good spin on it, though:

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In public and in private, Mr. Bush has invoked another example of late, recalling an encounter in October 2007 with Sen. John McCain at the Atlanta airport.

Hes carrying his bag, he has no aide, hes running for president, he has no staff, Mr. Bush said in New Hampshire last month. The campaign was basically over. Everybody said it. All the pundits said, Its over, why waste your time?

So, you say you're like McCain?  Smart move there, buddy.  You seem to have forgotten one rather important fact.

McCain lost.


Offline MasterMischief

Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #385 on: October 24, 2015, 06:34:29 AM »
Plus, admitting that there is no "smoking gun" would be akin to admitting that you have waste a whole lot of time - and taxpayer dollars. Doing that would take some courage.

They are not going to admit they were wrong.  It would be kind of hard to keep selling the 'Hillary is untrustworthy' line.

Offline Cassandra LeMay

Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #386 on: October 24, 2015, 06:48:14 AM »
They are not going to admit they were wrong.  It would be kind of hard to keep selling the 'Hillary is untrustworthy' line.
You could always try the "yes, we messed up, but that's not our fault. It's because those Washington insiders game the system to their advantage" line, at least if you haven't been in politics as long as Clinton. Admit defeat, but blame it one the system you are fighting against. In the hands of a real spin artist it might actually work.

Offline Cycle

Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #387 on: October 24, 2015, 09:55:14 AM »
Anyone remember when a certain New Jersey Governor panicked and pandered in response to the Ebola boogeyman?

Well, he's been sued.

Go get em, Hickox.  Take Chuckles down.  You'll be doing the rest of the world a huge service.


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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #388 on: October 24, 2015, 10:38:25 AM »
You could always try the "yes, we messed up, but that's not our fault. It's because those Washington insiders game the system to their advantage" line, at least if you haven't been in politics as long as Clinton. Admit defeat, but blame it one the system you are fighting against. In the hands of a real spin artist it might actually work.

I ran across an article somewhere (and can't find it again for the life of me) that said that they've spent more time investigating Benghazi than the 9/11 attacks.   :-\

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #389 on: October 24, 2015, 10:40:23 AM »
I ran across an article somewhere (and can't find it again for the life of me) that said that they've spent more time investigating Benghazi than the 9/11 attacks.   :-\

Benghazi was an inside job?

Offline Cycle

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« Reply #390 on: October 24, 2015, 10:56:16 AM »
I ran across an article somewhere (and can't find it again for the life of me) that said that they've spent more time investigating Benghazi than the 9/11 attacks.   :-\

I found these:





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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #391 on: October 24, 2015, 11:14:11 AM »
That second graph there is making my inner statistician bounce off the walls, because it is awfully (so probably intentionally misleadingly) disproportionate. The length of the black bar for Bengazhi has no logical correlation, either in money or time, to the other committees listed there.

Offline Cassandra LeMay

Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #392 on: October 24, 2015, 11:20:36 AM »
I ran across an article somewhere (and can't find it again for the life of me) that said that they've spent more time investigating Benghazi than the 9/11 attacks.   :-\
See? That only goes to show how good that Clinton woman is at hding stuff! She even hides things better than Al Qaeda or they would have gotten to the bottom of her lies long ago! Goes to show how evil she is!

*coughs and loses the fake outrage in his voice*

The Democrats on the Committee claim the investigation has cost more than 4.8 million, so far. Source: http://democrats.benghazi.house.gov/ You can find all the previous reports on Benghazi there too.

Offline Cycle

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« Reply #393 on: October 24, 2015, 11:41:45 AM »
So, 3.0 responded to questions that his campaign is failing:

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Asked to respond to rumors his campaign is in trouble, Bush said, Blah, blah, blah, blah. Thats my answer: Blah, blah, blah.

On this, 3.0 and I agree.  His campaign is in trouble because he is blah.


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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #394 on: October 24, 2015, 11:43:53 AM »
So, 3.0 responded to questions that his campaign is failing:

On this, 3.0 and I agree.  His campaign is in trouble because he is blah.

So - stuff isn't happening?

Offline Cycle

Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #395 on: October 24, 2015, 11:45:14 AM »
Pun control!  I hereby renew my demand for pun control!!


Offline MasterMischief

Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #396 on: October 24, 2015, 02:55:01 PM »
The Democrats on the Committee claim the investigation has cost more than 4.8 million, so far. Source: http://democrats.benghazi.house.gov/ You can find all the previous reports on Benghazi there too.

Let's cut some actual wasteful spending.

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #397 on: October 24, 2015, 06:33:05 PM »
You know what's bad?  I read a news article that the Republicans were looking at Paul Ryan for Speaker of the House - and I had to double check whether or not he was running for President.

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #398 on: October 24, 2015, 06:38:24 PM »
You know what's bad?  I read a news article that the Republicans were looking at Paul Ryan for Speaker of the House - and I had to double check whether or not he was running for President.

At this point, he's an eminently more qualified candidate than the majority of the rest of the existing field.

Not sure what that really says about the Republican Party at this point ...


Offline Cycle

Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #399 on: October 25, 2015, 01:50:38 PM »
Now 3.0 is whining about losing.

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If this election is about how were going to fight to get nothing done, Mr. Bush said, then I dont want any part of it. I dont want to be elected president to sit around and see gridlock just become so dominant that people literally are in decline in their lives. That is not my motivation.

He added, Ive got a lot of really cool things I could do other than sit around, being miserable, listening to people demonize me and me feeling compelled to demonize them. That is a joke. Elect Trump if you want that.

Boo-hoo.  Seriously, show some backbone.  Be Presidential.  One of your main opponents just trounced seven Congresspeople in an eleven hour hearing. 

You, you can't even taking Twitter needling from The Donald.