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Offline KeelanTopic starter

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #125 on: August 20, 2015, 11:28:50 PM »
Gah, everytime I get to this thread it's near midnight for me and I'm exhausted and have to wake up in like 6 hours to work for many more than that...

Vex: Char looks good so far, love the images!  Last two though I think I'm hijacking for myself... who is she though?  That character looks familiar...

Zaer: Byakugan CAN see through clothes, but it's one of those things that it's really easy to see PAST clothes and skin.  It's like saying 'yes, you can shoot a 9mm bullet through a T-shirt, but can you stop it from going through the flesh behind it?' As such you're more often to see into someone than you are 'onto' someone's skin through clothes...

...but that's insofar as the canon/realistic portrayals go; I personally LOVE the idea of the Hyuuga being able to watch naked bodies all day every day, especially since the other team has Himawari Uzumaki - whom canon has the Byakugan - as their captain!

EvilMegaCookie: Not really 'bothering' me as much as 'oh god I have so many things to do to get this, that, and the other started up oh dear gods where is my time?!' >.>  Once this starts up, and the other thing I'm working on is settled, MUCH better...

I'm also faced with a conundrum; 5 good characters, and I REALLY don't want to have 3 games of this going...

Online Zaer Darkwail

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #126 on: August 21, 2015, 04:28:18 AM »
Simple solution for conundrum; make it a 5 man team (assign one 5 chars as squad captain as chuunin is meant to be one to guide a team of younger genins already; but this case can be bit more expectional as entire team is chuunin).

Offline Vex

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #127 on: August 21, 2015, 07:03:33 AM »
Aight. So I have added the blank one Vex was so kind as to paste into a post of hers. :P

I've added points to attributes and all that... now I am just doing my best not to make my head go bald as I figure all this out. I think I have 6 points or something left.

Would it be possible for any of you two to add me on skype or AIM or whatever it is called? Would certainly make communicating easier. :P I am already bothering poor Kee so I need some more victi-- I mean teachers. :P If that is possible of course. >.<

I'm sorry, but I don't really do AIM. I'm rarely at my computer long enough to get a post or two in anyway.  But, I'm willing to help you as best I can. Do you have any experience with d20 systems, like D&D 3.5e or Modern d20? If so, it's really not that hard to adjust. If not...well, I suppose we need to cover more basic elements of the game as well. I'm not exactly sure what mechanics you need to know, but I think I have a pretty solid understanding of most all of them, so don't hesitate to ask what you need. Even PM me, if you want.

You do have 6 points left, which you should put into Cha to max it out to 18. Most genjutsu are an "all-or-nothing" affair, either they save and you've wasted your effort, or they fail and suffer the full effects of the jutsu, so it's important to max out her charisma to give her the highest chance of success. That said, those physical stats of hers are dangerously low. Poor strength you can live with if you're not melee-oriented, but poor dexterity hurts everyone, and poor constitution is literally a killer. I would lower either Int or Wis to 14 and use the points to shore up her Con to at least 10, and her Dex to 14. However, Con governs your chakra, which is the life-blood of a Ninjutsu/Genjutsu specialist, so I would only go with that if you're willing to take the Will Over Flesh feat (making chakra governed by her Wisdom instead), so at least you're not hurting in bonus chakra. If not, get Con to 12, and leave Dex to 12 (sucks, but that Con is more important). Or, alternatively, if you're willing to lower both her Int and Wis to 14, you could raise both Dex and Con to 14 as well, which will even out her stats much better. If you don't expect to invest too heavily in offensive Ninjutsu to supplement your Genjutsu, this might be the best route, as it gives her HP, Defense, Initiative, and Saves a much needed boost.

Both routes that Zaer suggested are good ones, although I think his rationale is a little off on first one. First, I don't think the Genjutsu talent tree in Charismatic is all that good. I think, even if you're going Shinobi Adept first, you're still better off, thematically speaking, going down the Charm tree, even in that case (Charm and Capitvate are solid pick ups). Second, I don't think Shinobi Adept is particularly all that awesome for focusing on techniques. Only the first level of Shinobi Adept really helps you do that (in which case, you could easily just go Charismatic 5/Shinobi Adept 1/ Genjutsu Master 2). Rather, what makes Shinobi Adept a solid pick up is it's overall battle stats. It offers three good saves, a higher defense bonus, strong bonus chakra, and for all three levels, Evasion, which is a nice pick up for nearly anyone. It gives her much better survival stats than simply going Charismatic. That, I feel, is the strongest appeal for going that route.

The second route is slightly weaker, admittedly, but it's probably the most thematically appropriate build, and the one I actually like the most. If you want your character to ooze charisma and sexiness, even without using her genjutsu, this is most definately the route to go. +6 to Conversation and Deception checks against a single gender is nothing to sneeze at, and Capitvate isn't as reliable as genjutsu, but fits a seductive mistress perfectly. I actually don't think a second investment in Charm is worth it, and would instead pick up Favor, as it fits "having pull with influential people" idea that you were going for. She knows a lot of people, and can ask them aid her in various ways (possibly with sexy consequences  ;) ). Even if you go this route, though, it might be worth taking the aforementioned route, stopping at Charismatic 5 to detour briefly into a level of Shinobi Adept, if just to get a little bit of both worlds before dedicating to Genjutsu Master.

Vex: Char looks good so far, love the images!  Last two though I think I'm hijacking for myself... who is she though?  That character looks familiar...

Glad you like her! Of course you can use those images, but seeing as I'm likely using those in this game, I'd prefer you save those for another.  ::)

If you're familiar with the last two images, then you might be familiar with the work of Koei Tecmo's Team Ninja. That's Momoji, a part of the the Ninja Gaiden series, apprentice to series protagonist Ryu Hayabusa, but has also followed her master onto the Dead Or Alive fighting series as well. Or you could be familiar with the tons of hentai that have been released of the character since becoming a part of DOA, because every female character in that series is.  :P

Zaer: Byakugan CAN see through clothes, but it's one of those things that it's really easy to see PAST clothes and skin.  It's like saying 'yes, you can shoot a 9mm bullet through a T-shirt, but can you stop it from going through the flesh behind it?' As such you're more often to see into someone than you are 'onto' someone's skin through clothes...

...but that's insofar as the canon/realistic portrayals go; I personally LOVE the idea of the Hyuuga being able to watch naked bodies all day every day, especially since the other team has Himawari Uzumaki - whom canon has the Byakugan - as their captain!

It's a good analogy, but most people aren't capable of controlling the speed and power of their bullet while it's in flight. That's a pretty big difference that doesn't work with the whole bullet angle. Though, I will say that it is probably very easy to go through the skin with that sight. It probably takes an awkward adjustment period before they could actually get that right. I imagine plenty of pubescent Hyuuga male attempting the feat get get some unexpected frustration and maybe even some horror in finding a faceless skeleton looking back at them where that pretty girl used to be. There's also indiscriminate nature of it. 359 degree vision means you see everyone naked, including people you'd rather not (grandma, Gai-sensei, your annoying teammate, etc). It's as much a curse as it is a blessing. Maybe that's why they don't have much interest in doing it.  Every young Hyuuga has had that one experience that make them go "Yeah, I can't take that anymore!". ;D

Himawari Uzumaki does have the Byakugan, true! Although, I found that rather curious myself. Why doesn't her brother have it as well? I've never seen a Hyuuga that doesn't have the white eyes, so presumably, it's a pretty strong trait. Or, maybe it really does take some fairly selective breeding to maintain it, which would also explain the rather homogeneous look of the clan. Maybe it's actually a recessive trait, so it gets lost easily through generations without working to propagate it. That would actually make a lot of sense. Maybe the clan has been operating off arranged marriages as well, to help assure it. It could be a neat avenue to explore.

EvilMegaCookie: Not really 'bothering' me as much as 'oh god I have so many things to do to get this, that, and the other started up oh dear gods where is my time?!' >.>  Once this starts up, and the other thing I'm working on is settled, MUCH better...

I'm also faced with a conundrum; 5 good characters, and I REALLY don't want to have 3 games of this going...

Three games? I thought this was groups of three plus a NPC jonin? That would work out to two, I think. Heck, if I'm right, we'd be one short.

Although, Zaer's idea certainly has merit. It seems like Chunnin aren't as bound by the rules as Genin are to stick to the four-man cell. We've seen plenty of examples where they completely skip that dynamic. It's certainly an option here. Having more characters also means we can split them up in flexible fashion. Sending three characters to engage one set of enemies, while the other three continue on with the mission objective, for instance.

Offline ShadowFox89

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #128 on: August 21, 2015, 09:10:59 AM »
You forget that there are already three of us with finished characters. .....

Offline KeelanTopic starter

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #129 on: August 21, 2015, 12:45:17 PM »
Hm, a 5-man team +Captain might work... I'll definitely consider it, though the 'scale' of threats will have to be much improved to account for the larger group...

Offline EvilMegaCookie

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #130 on: August 21, 2015, 03:23:53 PM »
I'm sorry, but I don't really do AIM. I'm rarely at my computer long enough to get a post or two in anyway.  But, I'm willing to help you as best I can. Do you have any experience with d20 systems, like D&D 3.5e or Modern d20? If so, it's really not that hard to adjust. If not...well, I suppose we need to cover more basic elements of the game as well. I'm not exactly sure what mechanics you need to know, but I think I have a pretty solid understanding of most all of them, so don't hesitate to ask what you need. Even PM me, if you want.

You do have 6 points left, which you should put into Cha to max it out to 18. Most genjutsu are an "all-or-nothing" affair, either they save and you've wasted your effort, or they fail and suffer the full effects of the jutsu, so it's important to max out her charisma to give her the highest chance of success. That said, those physical stats of hers are dangerously low. Poor strength you can live with if you're not melee-oriented, but poor dexterity hurts everyone, and poor constitution is literally a killer. I would lower either Int or Wis to 14 and use the points to shore up her Con to at least 10, and her Dex to 14. However, Con governs your chakra, which is the life-blood of a Ninjutsu/Genjutsu specialist, so I would only go with that if you're willing to take the Will Over Flesh feat (making chakra governed by her Wisdom instead), so at least you're not hurting in bonus chakra. If not, get Con to 12, and leave Dex to 12 (sucks, but that Con is more important). Or, alternatively, if you're willing to lower both her Int and Wis to 14, you could raise both Dex and Con to 14 as well, which will even out her stats much better. If you don't expect to invest too heavily in offensive Ninjutsu to supplement your Genjutsu, this might be the best route, as it gives her HP, Defense, Initiative, and Saves a much needed boost.

Both routes that Zaer suggested are good ones, although I think his rationale is a little off on first one. First, I don't think the Genjutsu talent tree in Charismatic is all that good. I think, even if you're going Shinobi Adept first, you're still better off, thematically speaking, going down the Charm tree, even in that case (Charm and Capitvate are solid pick ups). Second, I don't think Shinobi Adept is particularly all that awesome for focusing on techniques. Only the first level of Shinobi Adept really helps you do that (in which case, you could easily just go Charismatic 5/Shinobi Adept 1/ Genjutsu Master 2). Rather, what makes Shinobi Adept a solid pick up is it's overall battle stats. It offers three good saves, a higher defense bonus, strong bonus chakra, and for all three levels, Evasion, which is a nice pick up for nearly anyone. It gives her much better survival stats than simply going Charismatic. That, I feel, is the strongest appeal for going that route.

The second route is slightly weaker, admittedly, but it's probably the most thematically appropriate build, and the one I actually like the most. If you want your character to ooze charisma and sexiness, even without using her genjutsu, this is most definately the route to go. +6 to Conversation and Deception checks against a single gender is nothing to sneeze at, and Capitvate isn't as reliable as genjutsu, but fits a seductive mistress perfectly. I actually don't think a second investment in Charm is worth it, and would instead pick up Favor, as it fits "having pull with influential people" idea that you were going for. She knows a lot of people, and can ask them aid her in various ways (possibly with sexy consequences  ;) ). Even if you go this route, though, it might be worth taking the aforementioned route, stopping at Charismatic 5 to detour briefly into a level of Shinobi Adept, if just to get a little bit of both worlds before dedicating to Genjutsu Master.

Glad you like her! Of course you can use those images, but seeing as I'm likely using those in this game, I'd prefer you save those for another.  ::)

If you're familiar with the last two images, then you might be familiar with the work of Koei Tecmo's Team Ninja. That's Momoji, a part of the the Ninja Gaiden series, apprentice to series protagonist Ryu Hayabusa, but has also followed her master onto the Dead Or Alive fighting series as well. Or you could be familiar with the tons of hentai that have been released of the character since becoming a part of DOA, because every female character in that series is.  :P

It's a good analogy, but most people aren't capable of controlling the speed and power of their bullet while it's in flight. That's a pretty big difference that doesn't work with the whole bullet angle. Though, I will say that it is probably very easy to go through the skin with that sight. It probably takes an awkward adjustment period before they could actually get that right. I imagine plenty of pubescent Hyuuga male attempting the feat get get some unexpected frustration and maybe even some horror in finding a faceless skeleton looking back at them where that pretty girl used to be. There's also indiscriminate nature of it. 359 degree vision means you see everyone naked, including people you'd rather not (grandma, Gai-sensei, your annoying teammate, etc). It's as much a curse as it is a blessing. Maybe that's why they don't have much interest in doing it.  Every young Hyuuga has had that one experience that make them go "Yeah, I can't take that anymore!". ;D

Himawari Uzumaki does have the Byakugan, true! Although, I found that rather curious myself. Why doesn't her brother have it as well? I've never seen a Hyuuga that doesn't have the white eyes, so presumably, it's a pretty strong trait. Or, maybe it really does take some fairly selective breeding to maintain it, which would also explain the rather homogeneous look of the clan. Maybe it's actually a recessive trait, so it gets lost easily through generations without working to propagate it. That would actually make a lot of sense. Maybe the clan has been operating off arranged marriages as well, to help assure it. It could be a neat avenue to explore.

Three games? I thought this was groups of three plus a NPC jonin? That would work out to two, I think. Heck, if I'm right, we'd be one short.

Although, Zaer's idea certainly has merit. It seems like Chunnin aren't as bound by the rules as Genin are to stick to the four-man cell. We've seen plenty of examples where they completely skip that dynamic. It's certainly an option here. Having more characters also means we can split them up in flexible fashion. Sending three characters to engage one set of enemies, while the other three continue on with the mission objective, for instance.

I see. Well... I have little to no experience with D&D. I only played for a few hours once but just preparing took quite a bit of time. :P And then after a while we stopped so I have played it like two-three times? Yeah, that sounds about right. And those times are far away from eachother.

And regarding the whole talent tree shenanigan, I was indeed thinking of the seductive mistress route. Genjutsu would also help if it is possible to get a bit of both. But +6 to conversations is something I would really want.  Later on I will probably put a second point in it so that it will work against both genders. :P

And to Zaer: That'd be really nice. One day, albeit far away, I shall manage to make a sheet of my own. >.<

The dice is easy in comparison to having go through the nightmare that is the sheet. ;_;

Online Zaer Darkwail

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #131 on: August 21, 2015, 03:40:11 PM »
Understanding the dice is easy, grind the sheet itself is always hardest part in d20 system :P. Anycase doing updates here and there and then start work the sheet. Anycase go with charismatic hero 5/shinobi adept 1/genjutsu master 2. So you get charm tree stuff (favor and +5 to conversation vs both genders). Shinobi Adept as good filled and good class to finish once done with genjutsu master (which is 7 levels long).

Offline Vex

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #132 on: August 21, 2015, 04:19:05 PM »
You forget that there are already three of us with finished characters. .....

I think there are more than that. Heck, by my count, we've got six, at least if we're just counting sheets (Ume, Iku, Zaraki, Yuki, Ranko, and Masumi). Ekio, EvilMegaCookie's character, would be the seventh. So, if anything, Keelan was underselling. And now I can more clearly see her issue.

Hm, a 5-man team +Captain might work... I'll definitely consider it, though the 'scale' of threats will have to be much improved to account for the larger group...

It's an option, and an interesting one. But I'm not sure it'll be enough to accomidate everyone you might want.

Honestly, straight talk, I'd like you to do what you feel is right for you, even if it means cutting myself or someone else out of it. You know what you can handle better than anyone else here. I've seen what happens when GMs stretch themselves beyond their comfort zone, to accommodate more people. It's well intended, and I hardly blame them, but in my experience, it rarely works out well in the end. You have the lion's share of the work, even despite the heavy character sheet we had to wade through. So, you're entitled to make certain conditions about the game for your own enjoyment, and if that means limiting the number of players, then so be it.

I can't speak for anyone else, but don't worry much about it if Masumi doesn't end up making the cut. I'm not going to hold it against you. I can always save the sheet for another game, maybe even check in on Inerrant Lust's game and see if he's still looking for players. Do what you gotta do, to make this enjoyable for yourself. Just be honest with what you want, both to us and to yourself, and it'll work out much better for the game in the end.

I see. Well... I have little to no experience with D&D. I only played for a few hours once but just preparing took quite a bit of time. :P And then after a while we stopped so I have played it like two-three times? Yeah, that sounds about right. And those times are far away from eachother.

Well, not just any D&D. The versions are actually quite different from one another. d20 is built off the D&D 3.5e rules, but they don't have that much in common with the current 5th edition (which was basically made to be a much, much lighter version of this one), and are radically different from second edition, AD&D, or the proceeding 4th edition. So, I was asking specifically about 3/3.5e. Experience with the other version might help you a little, but probably not a whole lot. Either way, it doesn't seem like you have a lot of familiarity, so I'm just going to assume that's the case.

And regarding the whole talent tree shenanigan, I was indeed thinking of the seductive mistress route. Genjutsu would also help if it is possible to get a bit of both. But +6 to conversations is something I would really want.  Later on I will probably put a second point in it so that it will work against both genders. :P

Then the heavy Charismatic route is what you want. It looks like Zaer already has an idea of where to go with it. I've given the thoughts I feel I need to, and ya'll are free to work it however you want. My suggestions are just that.

And he's also right that playing this system is much simpler than building it. With 3.5e/d20 systems, the character creation is one of the longest processes I've ever come across for a game, and Naruto d20 is probably the top of the mountain, if just for the sheer number of options if grants it's characters. It's a pretty neat system, and I think it plays rather smoothly once you get the hang of it. At least until really high levels, when the Taijutsu Masters have 6+ attacks a round and the Ninjutsu/Gentjusu specialists are capable of laying down two or even three jutsu a turn, and everyone is capable of interrupting everyone else's actions multiple times in an encounter. But it'll take a while until you get there, assuming you get there at all.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2015, 04:56:55 PM by Vex »

Offline EvilMegaCookie

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #133 on: August 21, 2015, 05:01:06 PM »
Well, while he is chipping away at my sheet (thanks!) I will be doing the background and personality of course. And I feel like these songs are rather fitting:





Oh and regarding the versions I played: 3.5e and the latest 5th one. On the 5th we laughed our asses off since we couldn't RP for shit. Well, atleast not without going too low or high on the drama scale. :P

Online Zaer Darkwail

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #134 on: August 21, 2015, 05:37:58 PM »
I know you preffered the pic earlier but horns/tail do not fit for Naruto so while working stuff I looked for couple nice busty redhead anime pics for ya to look :P. As I need add pic to the charsheet anyways.

Sexy Redheads


Offline EvilMegaCookie

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #135 on: August 21, 2015, 06:08:19 PM »
I was actually going to remove the horns and tails. :P Should've mentioned that myself. Hehe.

As in that they wouldn't be a part of the character in the story. Can't really photoshop away the horns and tails. >.<

Edit: Come to think of it, I can actually remove the tail. But then again, seems like pointless work as I can simply point out that she doesn't have horns and tail in-universe. :P

But those pictures you had were good. I just prefer the one I found. :P Rias was certainly a nice sight to see.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2015, 06:14:24 PM by EvilMegaCookie »

Online Zaer Darkwail

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #136 on: August 21, 2015, 06:17:08 PM »
Yeah, if speak 'busty redheads' Rias Gremory comes to mind naturally in anime genre :P. Sad though she is not often in yukata (nor she never wore anything shinobi alike, even for cosplay purposes, so hard to find pics which would fit for Naruto). Anycase okay, can deal with description so long you forget horns/tail :)

Online Zaer Darkwail

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #137 on: August 21, 2015, 10:07:56 PM »
Okay, here we go. Here is link for edited picture without horns or tail for EvilMegaCookie's char. Yeah, I went and did quick photoshop work on her and albeit not perhaps perfect (heck, it's quite bad if you zoom enough and see the clumsy cloning work), but I did this on 4:00 AM in here so that shall do for now :P.

I did same for Vex's char pic also. I hope this work meets quality standard :). As changing eye color is not that big deal (saturation change and also use brush add pure white center to otherwise plain gray eyes).

Here comes the charsheet for EvilMegaCookie's char; http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=322431

I worked mainly add lots genjutsu, in ninjutsu department I decided not focus on suiton techniques (as we got ice sage who knows and can learn those very well), instead focus more on shadow type ninjutsu (she has feat and so likely she got either mentor or one her parents is from the Nara clan or one which uses same jutsu like Nara clan). It gives her very nice niche and ability immobilize foes with shadows besides fool them genjutsu (or even outright break their necks :P).

Anycase, heavy charisma and social foci, with insane reputation bonus and having renown also (so she is most famous member of any group). Also she has frightful presence....meaning free action every round she can force people roll will save DC 24 or be shaken for 1d6+5 rounds (which is good for able land genjutsu tricks which do not depend on target being neutral or above in behavior). So she can be seductive and scary same time (which fits for face person of the group). Anycase did not roll wealth yet (it's 6:00 AM here, must-go-bed-now!). Her chakra control is good but only gave handful techniques which are useful and also couple suiton techniques (one gives oily body, another spits oil on people and third one allows imprison people inside water prison).

In genjutsu picks there is some serious scary/mind breaking stuff but they can all be perverted (example torture of thousand swords I redubbed as 'torment of thousand mistresses' :P).

Offline Vex

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #138 on: August 22, 2015, 01:05:32 AM »
Nice work! And efficient as always! Thanks for going ahead and doing that for me! I was actually going to wait to until after Keelan settled on the final selection before trying that edit myself. Still might on the second photo. But thanks for going through the effort and saving me the trouble! It looks good! ;D

Interesting choices you made for Emi's build. Shadow jutsu is an unexpected choice, but not one I disapprove of. It fits along with the themes of being more of a subtle, disabling combatant. I wouldn't had thought of using Frightful Presence at all, but it's a good choice. It's another way to lower their saves and make sure those "all-or-nothing" genjutsu of hers hit, and it doesn't limit her actions in any way. Maybe we can fluff it as a pheromone of some kind, or a unique chakra aura that distracts her opponents with lustful thoughts (not necessarily about her), but even without the re-dubbing, the fear aspect works for a genjutsu-user anyway. I've never had the opportunity to make a Genjutsu Master before, as much as I'm interested in them, but you've totally got me on board to thinking about that feat for any builds in the future. Not entirely sure Renown is worth it, even if it does ratchet up the save for Frightful Presence, but it's hardly a waste for this build, seeing as we get so many feats and genjutsu masters aren't particularly feat hungry.

For future feats, I think meta-chakra feats will do her well. Heighten Technique is a good way to add up the DC, and keep the lower ranked Genjutsu feats relevant to levels to come. Efficient Technique is a a good choice for nearly anyone. I don't think Sturdy Illusion is all that good, but Enhanced Illusion from the Prodigy To Paragon book is.  Seeing as she's a Genius Ninja, Hand Seals Mastery might be worth the effort. It takes some investment, but she'll eventually be able to trap people in her justu by merely concentration, no hand-seals or anything, provoking no AoO, and making her illusions incredibly subtle. Just some food for thought.

It looks like she'll have a chakra pool of about 38, and a chakra reserve of 26, before any training techniques or drugs come into play. Not too shabby, but it makes those mundane abilities like Charm, Favor, and Frightening Presence valuable, as she doesn't have to spend any chakra for those. All and all, great job, especially in the short time you managed to do it all.  :D

Online Zaer Darkwail

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #139 on: August 22, 2015, 05:31:36 AM »
Oh yeah, forgot add the full chakra amount in the sheet :P. However her final chakra sits at 23/29 (16/16 base and +3/+1 improved chakra pool feat, +1/+4 shinobi adept, +3/+8 from genjutsu master). Anycase nice you like the build; I think the pinnacle of the charm tree was tempting but then she would either had been able have competence bonus against only males or females. So went more practical choice to get both genders so she can crack up +5 to conversation/deception vs both genders in non-hostile environment. The great renown I picked for frightful presence save boost really :P. But it makes her celebrity thanks charismatic hero having high base reputation and both her advanced classes added rep to her (also being genius ninja adds it's own rep bonus also). When her rep comes to play (which is not that hard if GM feels a +5 is mostly used, just roll 8 or more) Emi would get +4 to conversation rolls (and maybe deception rolls albeit rep should give penalty for any disguise checks while bluff checks it can boosted up, I would favor overall penalty as all people should know not trust seductive mind bending kunoichi :P).

Indeed frightful presence can be 'seductive presence' which lowers/distract foes around close range of her. Good you picked that up ;). Anycase fertility or genetic inheritance jutsus likely would fall to chakra manipulation and she has good enough skill know them (but mechanics aside it would not be used expect in smut scene or such.....so no need fill the jutsu section with the custom jutsu :P). Also indeed reason for genius ninja was to get hand seals mastery (someday) for the char. For all the sublety involved.

I think this was last sheet I needed make and so need wait for Keelan's judgement :P.


Offline Vex

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #140 on: August 22, 2015, 11:46:02 AM »
Oh yeah, forgot add the full chakra amount in the sheet :P. However her final chakra sits at 23/29 (16/16 base and +3/+1 improved chakra pool feat, +1/+4 shinobi adept, +3/+8 from genjutsu master). Anycase nice you like the build; I think the pinnacle of the charm tree was tempting but then she would either had been able have competence bonus against only males or females. So went more practical choice to get both genders so she can crack up +5 to conversation/deception vs both genders in non-hostile environment. The great renown I picked for frightful presence save boost really :P. But it makes her celebrity thanks charismatic hero having high base reputation and both her advanced classes added rep to her (also being genius ninja adds it's own rep bonus also). When her rep comes to play (which is not that hard if GM feels a +5 is mostly used, just roll 8 or more) Emi would get +4 to conversation rolls (and maybe deception rolls albeit rep should give penalty for any disguise checks while bluff checks it can boosted up, I would favor overall penalty as all people should know not trust seductive mind bending kunoichi :P).

Indeed frightful presence can be 'seductive presence' which lowers/distract foes around close range of her. Good you picked that up ;). Anycase fertility or genetic inheritance jutsus likely would fall to chakra manipulation and she has good enough skill know them (but mechanics aside it would not be used expect in smut scene or such.....so no need fill the jutsu section with the custom jutsu :P). Also indeed reason for genius ninja was to get hand seals mastery (someday) for the char. For all the sublety involved.

I think this was last sheet I needed make and so need wait for Keelan's judgement :P.

It looks like you might be mistaking the bonus chakra one gets for having a high Constitution for the base chakra one gets when leveling up. Everyone gets a base chakra pool of 2/level (doubled for level 1, so basically 2 above the base chakra reserve). That's the base, and on top of that, you get a bonus for having a high Constitution (which effectively works out to +Con per level, same as the bonus one gets for HP). So, it should be (18/16 base + 16/0 constitution bonus +  3/1 improved chakra feat + 1/4 shinobi adept + 3/8 genjutsu adept), which works out to a chakra pool of 41 and a reserve of 29. Admittedly, I missed the improved chakra feat the first time around, but honestly, with the newer total, you might not need that feat for her. Keep it if you want, of course, but with the new total much higher than the old, you may rethink it.

Actually, looking back at your other feats, I noticed you made the same mistake for the other characters as well. Zaraki should have (18/16 base + 16/0 Con + 5/12 Medical Specialist =) 39/28, and Yuki should have (16/14 base + 21/0 Con + 0/4 Improved Ninjutsu + 5/12 Shinobi Adept + 1/4 Elementalist =) 43/34. I thought that they looked on the low side, but I didn't bother to figure it out. Sorry about that. You may want to redesign the characters a little to account for the fact that their chakra pools have nearly doubled, but it's your choice.

Genius Ninja is an amazing feat, almost a must have considering all the exclusive directions it can go. It's funny, because I rarely see a game where there aren't more Geniuses than not, despite the fact they're supposed to be rare. It actually would had fit Masumi as well, but her build was really feat hungry as it is. Taijutsu Masters tend to need a lot of feats, on top of the Bloodline stuff, and the Pressure Points requirements I'm aiming, so there just wasn't any room. But, I don't think she needs it.
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Online Zaer Darkwail

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #141 on: August 22, 2015, 11:52:56 AM »
O.O

I have calculated quite badly my chakra all this time then :P. Any suggestions for feat slot for improved chakra pool? It's 3th level feat.

Offline Vex

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #142 on: August 22, 2015, 12:05:43 PM »
Ha! Well, it happens. I forgot Improved Chakra in my initial calculations, after all. At least it's an error that works out in your favor. If you've been low-balling the chakra pool, and you've still managed to make them effective, then they're going to be even better now.  :D

It's hard to say without knowing where her other feats are. You could rearrange her feats a little to take Shadow Arts earlier, and see if you can't fit in a meta-chakra feat in one of the later slots, maybe pick up One-Handed Seals, Heighten Technique, or Efficient Technique earlier than expected. For a Genjutsu Master, I'm rather favorable towards Heighten, but I'll leave that to your discretion.

Online Zaer Darkwail

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #143 on: August 22, 2015, 12:33:46 PM »
Shadow Arts can be taken in 3th level :P. I take the heigthen technique so she can make techniques indeed hard to resist at all. She can extend them and has +50% more range with genjutsu already.

Online Zaer Darkwail

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #144 on: August 23, 2015, 05:27:56 PM »
I just had to link this.....this saved my day today :P.


Offline EvilMegaCookie

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #145 on: August 24, 2015, 06:55:54 AM »
I was thinking... wouldn't Emi get boons of the clan? Would that be incorporated into her sheet or just be some fluff to the side?

Increased fertility, shortened pregnancy and all that. Or do we have it as jutsu that they use rather than having it as a trait of sorts? I apologize if I sound derpy. :P

Been thinking of mixing her clan with this village people I once used in a RP a while ago. They are humans in and out, but with a few quirks: Doesn't age outwardly and are extremely fertile as well as their pregnancies being short, the women often being referred to as ''Broodmothers'' as a racial slur of sorts.

I have to admit, the ''race'', if one can call it that, was based solely around my pregnancy fetish. >.< But I was hoping it'd be possible to go for a middle ground. For, uh, reasons that totally doesn't have anything to do with said fetish.   ;D

Below are the Dyrvenians, as I call them. :P So that you can get a picture of what I am talking about. And if I am rambling, it is probably because of the heat that is cooking my brain.

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National Culture: Due to the men and women of the village having rather extreme breeding capabilities, they are quite reserved when it comes to the act of love-making, their society being rather strict about it. Hence they have a rather condescending attitude to those who engage in such activities rather often. However, they are a closely-knit community as they rely on eachother to help with various activities. Any task is rarely taken alone. Another thing is that, compared to most countries, they have little sex at all. This is a rule set down by the council to avoid overpopulation and keep the resources from dwindling too fast. However, they still have sex. Only that it is once per year. Depending on the size of the population, they might extend it further. As one can imagine, a few didn't take well to those rules. There have already been some villagers that have moved away from such a controlled environment.

National Military: They have barely any military. And what little they have are completely lacking in combat experience, as they've had little to no warfare at all during the centuries they've settled down. Rather lazy and undisciplined, they have no structure or organization. It is more like a bunch of men and women playing soldiers than the actual thing. However, if one with enough charisma could guide and train them, they could possibly be a decent asset to any army.

Nation History: As a province, they are fairly young. But before settling down, they used to be a nomadic tribe, wandering from plain to plain, mountain to mountain, due to tradition. In time, however, the young of the tribe grew sick of constantly moving around. They wanted to settle down, enjoy the land for what it was. As it was not due to necessity, but an irrational tradition. After the ''rebellion'', the people that had been wandering for who knows how many centuries, now finally had a place to call their own. Alas, it didn't take long for problems to arise. Overpopulation and the consumption of resources were among many. They had never been farmers, often depending on hunting and gathering as means of survival during their times of nomadism. To combat these problems, they began taking up the trade as a means of exchanging knowledge for the various herbs and spices they have collected during their travels. Often those they traded with would show how to properly harvest the crops, the amount of water and so on. As they became more and more proficient in these areas, they started to focus less on trading and instead working as either farmers or fishers. Yet, they didn't completely give up the trade. To maintain communication with the outside world, they would often send a group or two to gather the herbs and spices the foreigners were so fond of.

As they slowly began to resolve the problems that had plagued them for so long, Another problem arised: Who would represent the village? After a week of discussing and planning, they came to the conclusion that letting everyone be in it would be for the best. A council was formed. These individuals would focus on one aspect of the village each. And so they also chose a representative for their village. It could be either a man or a woman, as long as they didn't do anything rash or betraying the trust of the villagers. While the council had brought a stable order to the village, as well as improved the lives of everyone living there, it came at a cost of ''freedom''. The village is rather strict when it comes to the act of love-making, only allowing it at a certain time of the year. Depending on the current size of the village, it may be taken to even further extremes. Alas, not everyone likes the way they do things, despite it being an attempt to stop the villagers from overpopulating. Currently the village is rather peaceful, as few have ever broken the rules of the council. Their economy is stable and food isn't running low due to keeping a stable population.

Online Zaer Darkwail

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #146 on: August 24, 2015, 07:08:10 AM »
I say it's simply lot easier it's your clan specific jutsu to become pregnant easily (ensure it happens) and all genetic inheritance or speeding it up (albeit I think it would be forbidden jutsu as speeding up pregnancy sounds not safe nor good either to mother or the child). Also they would know best jutsu to eliminate pregnancy or lock down someone to be infertile (sort of curse against rivals or some king wanting get rid of arranged marriage and so only way cancel it without war is to curse his wife to be infertile for a time).

Offline EvilMegaCookie

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #147 on: August 28, 2015, 02:31:16 AM »
Or curse the King. :P

Going to be tough for me to post as my computer has broken down or something. Actually typing this on a mobile. Just so nobody is left wondering why I haven't posted.

Online Zaer Darkwail

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #148 on: August 28, 2015, 03:27:59 PM »
*pokes for Keelan*

Offline KeelanTopic starter

Re: Narutod20 (w/Houserules): Interest Check and Discussion
« Reply #149 on: August 29, 2015, 03:52:35 PM »
Sorry, had something distracting me for... an unfortunately long period of time.  I'll look things over soon and get an update to everyone as to who what when where why etc...