Oh wait. Broad terms and anecdotes are okay when you're making your argument, but when someone else is making their's its unacceptable. Okay, I get how this works now. Gotcha.
Broad, empirically-supported terms are perfectly valid whether or not I happen to agree with them. I...may have been overly broad in how I spoke of my anecdote; it was intended as an example of something that can work, not a universal "this will work", and certainly not "this is the only thing that works", which is a huge chunk of my objection with Drake's argument. My apologies for my poor presentation.
Read what? Various links of 'how not okay to hit children?'
You claim there is no evidence - because you actively refused
to look at even one of the dozens
of evidence-based articles I provided. This is my point. Refusing to look at the evidence doesn't make it not exist.
Whose to say how accurately all of that is recorded? Science is not always right. Do not speak of ignorance when you are parading around in it yourself.
...okay, just to make sure I've got this right: It sounds
like you're saying "Scientists have been in error before, therefore this opinion piece by someone with literally no qualifications is as valid as a broad consensus resulting from numerous peer-reviewed empirical studies." Is this a fair read?
No, I am perfectly normal compared to a lot of society today. At least I have a spine to use corporal punishment when all else may obvious fail. If you want to have a black and white outlook on punishment, be my guess. I see things in shades of gray.
And who says that "a lot of society today" is at optimal levels of aggression? Should we give up on any attempt to better ourselves, because we already meet the perfectly circular benchmark of "as good as we are now"?
Actual abuses are those that straight out 'beat' their child. Spanking in discipline is not beating. Why do people so shallowly see it as such? Spanking is not abuse. Spanking is an illustration to correct unruly behavior when all else fails for a child to see that something is not right. Spanking is to remind hierarchy of the household. Children should never be granted power to believe that they are fully in control. An expert for what? To apply medication for unruly behavior? That is like saying 'doping' kids is totally fine.
Where exactly is the line between 'spanking' and 'beating'? Number of strikes? How hard they are? It's obviously not the use of weapons, as you already okayed that. Emotional state of the parent? Even if you do see a difference, it is at best one of degree, not of kind.
Yet again, you're misrepresenting the opposition because you seem to see corporal punishment as the only form of discipline: Please tell me where I have said children should believe they are fully in control, or that there should not be a clear power relationship between parent and child.
And yes, believe it or not, sometimes medication is the correct route for behavioural issues, because sometimes they are in fact symptomatic of underlying issues. Consulting a professional is certainly a more productive route than continuing to hit your child in these situations.
Maybe you should stop being such a bigot and read over things. I am equating corporal punishment as a means of an end when all other punishments fail. It is easy to just run away from the problems.
It is not bigotry to point out that the research has been done and it does not support your position. It is not bigotry to point out that statements like this:
I seen others who may talk to their kids when they cut up, but not do anything. Scolding them or saying stuff 'going to put you in timeout.' Timeout? What the hell is a timeout?
...are actually explicitly saying that non-corporal punishment is "doing nothing". It is not bigotry to point it out when you present a false dichotomy between corporal punishment and doing nothing at all to rein in children, as though there are no other options. Please check what you actually wrote
before you call me names.