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Online TheGlyphstone

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #125 on: April 10, 2015, 05:23:23 PM »
Anyone know of cheap ways to shrink/become Medium-sized for a non-Humanoid? I'm expecting that being a Huge quadruped will be inconvenient at times. Something that could replicate a metallic dragon's ability to assume a humanoid shape would be outright perfect, but I don't know of any spells that would do such.

Online PaleEnchantress

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #126 on: April 10, 2015, 05:25:40 PM »
I think I have a good basic background.  A grand temple to the Goddess Shelyn had existed upon the plane of Elysium for eons. It was a place of celebration for eternal love, beauty and art.  One Tulani heirophant spent centuries making a statue that was supposed to represent the perfect standard of physical beauty. Though small in size the sculpture was flawless and admired by all in the temple, but none admired it as much as its creator. As a reward to the faithful Eledrin Shelyn gave the statue life, turning it into a person of flesh and blood. This Galataea in addition to being it's creators lover became almost a figurehead of the temple. Faithful came from all around to see the divinely touches beauty and pay homage to the goddess. The joy within the temple would last many years, but would not be eternal.

One of the greatest evils on Golarion, the Dragon (I actually forget his name insert it here), wanted to give  a truly remarkable gift to his god. With a mass congregation of faithful and powerful black magic it transported the grand Elysian temple of Shelyn to the plane of shadow. There the beautiful temple and all within it were a gift for the vile god Zon-Kuthon to sake his lusts and sadism upon. The inhabitants, great as they were, were no match for the prime avatar of Zon-Kuthon. The god saw the beautiful being brought to life by the hand of Shelyn. He was thrilled with the opportunity to defile it, so he raped and tortured it upon the goddesses Altar.  (and Ill finish it up later, but you know where this is going)

After looking around this is what I am probably going with for classes. The paladin is obviously the non casting variant.

Mystic: Sha'ir 12
Might:  Monk 1/Paladin of Tyranny 3/Lifedrinker 8.
Monsterous:   Psychic Vampire Lord Lesser Whispling/ Master Vampire 1

PS: When looking at potential deities I knew I wanted a deity of love and beauty to be the original, but wasn't sure about who should be the rapist. I thought of Bane, Orcus, Belial, but then I remembered Zon Kuthon.  I don't think there exists a more horrifically sexual choice.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2015, 05:33:21 PM by PaleEnchantress »

Offline Zaer DarkwailTopic starter

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #127 on: April 10, 2015, 05:50:27 PM »
Anyone know of cheap ways to shrink/become Medium-sized for a non-Humanoid? I'm expecting that being a Huge quadruped will be inconvenient at times. Something that could replicate a metallic dragon's ability to assume a humanoid shape would be outright perfect, but I don't know of any spells that would do such.

Well, if you can get dragon subtype you could via feat alternative form usable 3/day. Despite your a hydra. PaleEnchantress; the background and build looks promising :).

Online TheGlyphstone

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #128 on: April 10, 2015, 05:57:26 PM »
Well, if you can get dragon subtype you could via feat alternative form usable 3/day. Despite your a hydra. PaleEnchantress; the background and build looks promising :).

The Ritual of Association costs 56,000, way more than I can budget for. If you know of a cheaper way to get a subtype, though...

EDIT: That wont work anyways, the Alternate Form feat requires being a True Dragon.

Pity Alter Self specifies transforming into a creature of your own type.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2015, 06:02:30 PM by TheGlyphstone »

Offline Zaer DarkwailTopic starter

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #129 on: April 10, 2015, 06:09:09 PM »
Hmmm, tricky indeed. Polymorph could work but it's very limited magic item if it works only once per day and for like hour or so.

Online Sain

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #130 on: April 10, 2015, 06:10:46 PM »
Get your cohort to be a polymorph specialist that can turn their object of worship into his humanoid avatar so that the followers can more properly interact with him?

Online TheGlyphstone

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #131 on: April 10, 2015, 06:21:04 PM »
Hmmm, tricky indeed. Polymorph could work but it's very limited magic item if it works only once per day and for like hour or so.

Well, I've got 1,360 GP left over. That would be just enough to create a command-word item of a 1st level spell. Would a 'Manshape' polymorph spell that turns the user into a medium humanoid elf/human/whatever - be fair as a 1st level spell? It's quite a bit weaker than Alter Self, which is a 2nd level spell.


Get your cohort to be a polymorph specialist that can turn their object of worship into his humanoid avatar so that the followers can more properly interact with him?
Or I might as well do this. Even if I could find an item/spell to do it, I've got a very, very limited budget left over. And I suppose I won't need to be humanoid that often...hydras and sexytimes don't exactly go well together anyways.

Easier than trying to write a custom spell for polymorphing into a humanoid, though.

Offline Zaer DarkwailTopic starter

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #132 on: April 10, 2015, 06:33:01 PM »
There is PrC (war weaver) which allows personal spells become touch or even close range spells. So polymorph would become shareable.

Online TheGlyphstone

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #133 on: April 10, 2015, 06:36:28 PM »
Polymorph is already castable on other targets. Only Metamorphosis is self-only.

I guess a pet caster is the only viable option.

Offline EdwardShane

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #134 on: April 10, 2015, 06:45:43 PM »
Hmmm.....I don't -normally- do system games, but I have been having an itch to play a few different monster ideas.  While I am familiar with 3.5 and how it can work, I'm not -thoroughly- familiar with some of the stuff I am seeing (paladin of tyranny, as a prime example), nor am I entirely certain of how to make one of my ideas in particular work.  (said idea being a fully sentient slime that looks less blobbish and more humanlike)  I can honestly say I might need some help refining my ideas, unless nobody has an issue with plain ol' boring stuff out of what books I have available to me. 

If ya'll are willing to deal with my lack of access to every source, work with me, and help me out, I might very well be interested in trying this game out!

Offline Zaer DarkwailTopic starter

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #135 on: April 10, 2015, 06:48:47 PM »
Well, Kimera plays as sentient humanoid slime (there is base creature for that). You could use same base creature but decide have different origin or templates (or even class) involved. Or even different personality (Kimera's is accidental offspring of Juiblex and Ghaunadar, two slimey demon princes).

Online TheGlyphstone

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #136 on: April 10, 2015, 06:50:31 PM »
There's already one Slimegirl character in the game, so I doubt another slime/ooze person is going to be hard to work out.

Could use that creature, or something with the Gelatinous Creature template (though you dont want to be an Int-based character this way, Gelatinous hammers your Int score).

Actually, it hurts your Wis and Cha scores too. So maybe it's just a bad choice.

Offline EdwardShane

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #137 on: April 10, 2015, 07:00:25 PM »
Interesting.  I actually hadn't heard about that template before, in all honesty.  I may have to look into it, though I had intended for that concept to be a bit more caster-y than what it sounds like she'd be able to do.  Unless there's a template that could allow for such that I am unaware of?

My other interests for things to play are a sword wielding character with dragon blood, a nine tailed fox, and a martial artist succubus.  None of my concepts really involve the character being aligned evilly, admittedly, I just need a bit of help figuring out how to best create one of them

Offline Zaer DarkwailTopic starter

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #138 on: April 10, 2015, 07:13:19 PM »
Kunoichi can help greatly you, just pick a concept and go with it. What I remember there is no 'canon' nine tailed fox race/template but we could work with pathfinder version converted to 3.5 edition backwards. Also Kimera used a ghaunadum (or whatever it was called) which is base creature which is sentient ooze which relates to Ghaunadar cult (nothing impressive stats but gave ooze traits minus mindless and could be in solid form 15 hours as form of disguise). Kimera's char is warlock with martial side being wild shaping ranger variant with master of many forms (so she can take various scarlet ooze shaped monsters).

Succubus martial artist? That could be interesting concept, martial side being swordsage or a monk? Mystic side then what?

Online TheGlyphstone

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #139 on: April 10, 2015, 07:16:47 PM »
Dragon-blooded character is probably the most variable, depends on how potent you want the dragon blood to be. Dragonborn (LA +0), Draconic (LA +1), Half-Dragon (LA +3) are all options.

There's a Kitsune race in Pathfinder that could be backported...it only has 1 tail by default, but you can take a Magical Tail feat to add more tails and increased magical abilities. Going to be very feat-intensive though to get all 9 tails.

Succubus Martial artist is definitely the most straightforward/simple concept to build - Succubus race is 6HD and LA+6, so it fits perfectly into the monster cap we're allowed.

Offline Zaer DarkwailTopic starter

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #140 on: April 10, 2015, 07:20:53 PM »
Or get higher LA for more tails. Say 2 tails per LA would fit.

Online TheGlyphstone

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #141 on: April 10, 2015, 07:23:28 PM »
Free Magical Tail feats for LA would make sense - the benefits they give aren't that impressive.

Offline EdwardShane

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #142 on: April 10, 2015, 07:27:30 PM »
Swordsage is another one of those I am unfamiliar with, I had been thinking more along the lines of monk for her.  For the mystic side I was thinking probably sorceror going into argent savant.

I'll see if I can find the ghaunadum somewhere online, and work on thinking further about which one I truly want to play.  Though I had been hoping for an actual monster race for the kitsune as opposed to that particular pathfinder race, so I guess that one I can knock out for this rp, leaving me three other ideas to think about.

I was probably going to go with half dragon for that particular concept admittedly.  Perhaps find a base race of some sort to go with it.

Online TheGlyphstone

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #143 on: April 10, 2015, 07:29:58 PM »
It's apparently called a Ghaunadan, and it's in Monsters of Faerun.

Offline EdwardShane

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #144 on: April 10, 2015, 07:36:48 PM »
That's one of the books I don't have, unfortunately, and google seems to be failing me concerning finding anything useful.  :/

Offline Kunoichi

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #145 on: April 10, 2015, 07:44:08 PM »
...You should probably delete that, Zaer. ^^; We're not allowed to share those kinds of files on here.

Offline EdwardShane

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #146 on: April 10, 2015, 07:47:10 PM »
Yeah, gonna think more between the dragonkin and the succubus, by the look of it...

O.o didn't know that such was one of those files...

Offline Zaer DarkwailTopic starter

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #147 on: April 10, 2015, 07:51:59 PM »
...You should probably delete that, Zaer. ^^; We're not allowed to share those kinds of files on here.

Ups, done :P. Anycase I edited above into advice how EdwardShane could find it himself via google. Unless he clicked link already :P. Anycase most game books can be found online in one shape or form as PDF files (as product lines and 3.5 book sales are zero for years now). So folks often share them in internet.

Offline Kunoichi

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #148 on: April 10, 2015, 07:55:39 PM »
I'm pretty sure that even advice like that isn't allowed, actually. ^^; The United States has some pretty strict laws regarding piracy, so they're really strict about that sort of thing here on E.

Edit: That said, I do have one particular build I've wanted to see someone try with a succubus that EdwardShane might find fun.  The D&D book Oriental Adventures has a nice melee prestige class in it called the Iaijutsu Master that's generally considered fairly powerful.  At the level we're at, you'd get to add your Charisma to your damage rolls with a sword while playing as a character with that prestige class, and playing as a succubus, that would add up to some impressive damage totals pretty quickly...
« Last Edit: April 10, 2015, 08:00:58 PM by Kunoichi »

Online Sain

Re: Seeking Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD, lots custom rules)
« Reply #149 on: April 10, 2015, 07:57:42 PM »
Edward. Templates are fun. Succubus can't get any templates :( Maybe look through a few combos you could get for your dragonkin and if none of those seem cool enough, succubus is a nice alternative.