That's why humans were nomads for the better part of our history. We consume one area, and move on to another. Some might say that we are a virus, which I agree. We invade one area, and spread. We deplete the area of all it's resources, and then we find another.
If you were to smoke a cigarette a day, as opposed to eating one steak per day. I guarantee you will be no more healthier than that smoker will be.
Agriculture in America was a far bigger business, than cattle was. And, no. I would have to disagree. There are for more plants, than there are animals in the world. Edible plants are abundant at nearly every corner of the Earth, if you know how to look.
I think that the first humans developed gathering skills from instinct. We watched what other animals ate, and tried it. Do you think that we killing buffalo in the beginning of the first-era? Edible plants use to be far more abundant, than they are today. We have destroyed most of what was. A hundreds years ago was 1915. My Grandma would have been born 17 years later. They ate grains, and beans. With meats, and by-products once in a great while.
Unless it was a migration, they were nomadic in -areas-, or in the Stone Age, sometimes sedentary and collected wild grains, vegetables and
meat to survive. they ate what they could get. Meat provides a lot of needed nutrients and is in a fairly easy to get package. In the northernmost regions, the people who would become the Inuit and Eskimo people tended to subside on mainly meat because that is what they could get, and they were pretty bloody healthy. Fat, but healthy. And it worked for them.
Nothing would help my argument, if you believe it untrue. You can't change human nature.
Then you will always dismiss -any- claims that you don't agree with. What you seem to be failing to understand is that your argument is fairly confrontational and very dismissive of any claims you personally don't agree with. You see meat, any meat, as bad and harmful. Others here have dropped links that prove otherwise, get you are ignoring it because it doesn't fit your personal believe that meat = bad/unhealthy.
If you watch Dr. Esselstyn's research seminar, which I posted. The leading biochemist in the world. He backs up pure evidence of his research. Along with his team, and subjects. Along with other videos, that I had posted in this thread. If you wish to watch those. My dad got ripped on a lean, low carb diet in his 40's. He's tried every diet under the sun, I know. And I saw how strongly he felt about it. So I changed, too. I, also got ripped on a paleo diet. But I now believe, that it isn't the way forward.
While traveling the East-coast, I have eaten every burger there is. From Baltiomore, MD. To Miami Beach, FL. I have probably eaten over 1,000 burgers, and every other kind of meat product you can think of. I once ate a 32oz. steak by myself, in a little under an hour. I know how to eat meat. My joints would stiffen, and crack. I was developing muscular dystrophy. I use to weigh 115lbs, and now weighing nearly 120lbs.
But this is factual opinion.
And this was a rant. Now a controversial, discussion.
The food that we eat shouldn't poison us. It is unnatural.
Yes. I am ignoring most of these 'opinions'. Not facts. Because I view them, and millions of other people also view them untrue. A fact, cannot be a fact, if someone else thinks it incorrect. It is just an opinion. Most of what I have said are opinions, as I quoted. "Most of what we think of a good dietary plan, is hypothetical science, and history." If you state to me that eating meat-based products isn't harmful to the human condition, than you are pushing your 'opinions' on me, just as you say I am. That's the crossroad.
Aahh.. you're still ranting. Not debating or even really discussing when you're ignoring what others are saying and dismissing their evidence as mere opinion, while holding you your opinion as solid scientific fact (If I and others looked, we could find facts just as solid to argue against what your claimaing)There are other scientists, people who are trained biochemists, nutritionists and dieticians, who will say the opposite of what you are saying, and backup their claims WITH facts. Facts you are calling 'opinions' and thereby dismissing. Just because millions of people believe Dr. Esselstynn's research, doesn't necessarily mean that it is right. Other millions believe that eating meat, in moderation is also right and correct. Numbers of believers alone does not make someone right. Is Dr. Esslstynn's work peer reviewed and accepted and passed by the medical journals?
As for the diet, remember, that as Kuroneko said, that what works for you, will not necessarily work for others. Everyone's genetics is different and the same diet will not always work for everyone else. What works for you will not necessarily work for me. I like meat and probably eat too much of it, but I could eat it in moderation (beef, pork, chicken and sometimes fish (I dislike fish, bleh), but it's not going to be anymore healthy for me than a strictly vegan diet).
There is also scientific proof that says meat is unable to fully process it's products, including the fat. Animal fat can sit in the human digestive system for many hours, before it is fully digested into the system. And in some cases, ferment inside of the digest system, which leads to acid reflux. That doesn't sound very healthy.
We discovered meat, when there was nothing else for us to consume. So we fed on the livestock, and in some cases, ourselves. The average death-rate of the Japanese male has dropped increasingly, since the introduction of large cattle into their country.
Pfft. Corn on the cob does the same thing. Passes through relatively undigested, but like the meat, it passes through.
Aahhh. No. we discovered meat a loooong time ago and have been eating it for tens to hundreds of thousands of years. It has never been a recent discovery and we were solely herbivores until just before civilization developed (there are records and findings of humans eating meat back into the last Ice Age. So for 25,000+ years we have been eating meat, as well as grains and vegetables, as a species and it hasn't been harmful to us).
Large cattle, you mean western cattle? Might the drop of Japanese male death also be the introduction of better health care too? You seem very fixed on the Japanese being fully healthy and fit before the west ever opened up the nation.