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Author Topic: Female-on-Male Rape (Don't Worry... or do; it's a Cracked article)  (Read 1480 times)

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Offline AndyZ

Re: Female-on-Male Rape (Don't Worry... or do; it's a Cracked article)
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2015, 02:33:46 PM »
I don't think I explained very well, so I'll try again.

I would be very happy if people stopped trying to make things a competition.  However, at any point in which people might want to try to make it a competition, we recognize an inherent inequality.

Some of these inequalities cannot be helped.  Some people are just more beautiful, smarter or stronger.  I'm very against a Harrison Bergeron situation.

When they fall into gender stereotypes, though, we have more of a problem.  (Race also, but it's easy to extrapolate and I don't want to fall off track.)

Regardless, though, a balance forms while inequality exists.  The rich give money to the poor in the way of charities.  Beautiful people help their ugly friends find dates via blind dates.  Strong people do heavy and forceful things for weak people.

First wave feminism fought against even these forms of balance.  Women made less money, yet they still insisted on paying for half the date.  It's counter-intuitive, but by turning it into equality and not a competition, it stopped being culturally acceptable to pay women less for the same work.

Sometimes that balance works in an unexpected way.  First wave feminism also fought against holding doors open for women, but now courteous people hold doors open for everyone.  People of any sex would rather have doors held open for them than not.

We often expect to find balance by propping up one side we consider to be inferior, but life really doesn't work that way.  We cannot simply add to one class of people and detract from another and expect things to balance out, and attempting to do so merely perpetuates the stereotypes and ensures that equality remains out of grasp.

Inequality must be addressed equally.

Offline Garuss Vakarian

Re: Female-on-Male Rape (Don't Worry... or do; it's a Cracked article)
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2015, 06:12:58 PM »
Well said. *Apluades.*


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Re: Female-on-Male Rape (Don't Worry... or do; it's a Cracked article)
« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2015, 01:23:10 PM »
I don't think I explained very well, so I'll try again.

I would be very happy if people stopped trying to make things a competition.  However, at any point in which people might want to try to make it a competition, we recognize an inherent inequality.

Some of these inequalities cannot be helped.  Some people are just more beautiful, smarter or stronger.  I'm very against a Harrison Bergeron situation.

When they fall into gender stereotypes, though, we have more of a problem.  (Race also, but it's easy to extrapolate and I don't want to fall off track.)

Regardless, though, a balance forms while inequality exists.  The rich give money to the poor in the way of charities.  Beautiful people help their ugly friends find dates via blind dates.  Strong people do heavy and forceful things for weak people.

First wave feminism fought against even these forms of balance.  Women made less money, yet they still insisted on paying for half the date.  It's counter-intuitive, but by turning it into equality and not a competition, it stopped being culturally acceptable to pay women less for the same work.

Sometimes that balance works in an unexpected way.  First wave feminism also fought against holding doors open for women, but now courteous people hold doors open for everyone.  People of any sex would rather have doors held open for them than not.

We often expect to find balance by propping up one side we consider to be inferior, but life really doesn't work that way.  We cannot simply add to one class of people and detract from another and expect things to balance out, and attempting to do so merely perpetuates the stereotypes and ensures that equality remains out of grasp.

Inequality must be addressed equally.
Actually, first-wave feminists are those from the 19th Century, early 20th Century and had nothing to do with who paid for a date or who held the door open. It was more about suffrage and equal pay for equal work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-wave_feminism

Wikipedia offers up a nice overview (though as an English major I'm forced to tell you by conscience that if you find it interesting please follow the citations).
« Last Edit: February 12, 2015, 01:24:17 PM by Inkidu »

Offline AndyZ

Re: Female-on-Male Rape (Don't Worry... or do; it's a Cracked article)
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2015, 02:27:47 PM »
My mistake, it was second wave.  Thank you.

Edit: Thank you again because I'd never even heard of the feminist sex wars until now.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2015, 02:32:25 PM by AndyZ »

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Re: Female-on-Male Rape (Don't Worry... or do; it's a Cracked article)
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2015, 03:21:59 PM »
"Feminist Sex Wars". One of those things where the title is a million times more interesting/intriguing than the reality.

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Re: Female-on-Male Rape (Don't Worry... or do; it's a Cracked article)
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2015, 03:30:50 PM »
"Feminist Sex Wars". One of those things where the title is a million times more interesting/intriguing than the reality.
You said it, not me.

(but I was kind of thinking the same thing)

Offline AndyZ

Re: Female-on-Male Rape (Don't Worry... or do; it's a Cracked article)
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2015, 04:12:55 PM »
More it helps because I can better understand why some of the stuff went so 180.  Reformations of any type tend to do that, but I wouldn't have expected waves to cause such a notable reversal in some cases.