You are either not logged in or not registered with our community. Click here to register.
 
November 20, 2019, 10:27:12 AM

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length

Click here if you are having problems.
Default Wide Screen Beige Lilac Rainbow Black & Blue October Platinum Send us your theme!

Wiki Blogs Dicebot

Author Topic: Pokemon!  (Read 4736 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline DimirTopic starter

Pokemon!
« on: January 05, 2015, 03:55:57 PM »
I know this is an adult-themed site but I have seen plenty of adults that still play the Pokemon games after all these years. There's also the Japanese anime but I haven't watched it since the beginning of the Battle Frontier arc. I first played Pokemon Red when I was five and I'm almost done the RS remakes. I have plenty of favourite ranked pokemon including Metagross, Houndoom, Dragalge, Jigglypuff, Walrein, Bronzong and Starmie.

Offline Inkidu

  • E's Resident Girlomancer, Dedicated Philogynist, The Compartive of a Superlative, SLG's Sammich Life-Giver
  • Lord
  • Addict
  • *
  • Join Date: Jul 2008
  • Location: In a staring contest with the Void.
  • Gender: Male
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 1
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2015, 04:03:32 PM »
I'm currently playing a rom hack of Fire Red called Ultra Violet. Basically it's a 100%ers dream. It lets you capture all the pokemon without having to trade, and they added in the appropriate stones and things to get them all. You can still miss out on many, but they're all there, no friends required. XD

Offline DimirTopic starter

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2015, 04:13:03 PM »
I'm currently playing a rom hack of Fire Red called Ultra Violet. Basically it's a 100%ers dream. It lets you capture all the pokemon without having to trade, and they added in the appropriate stones and things to get them all. You can still miss out on many, but they're all there, no friends required. XD

Looked it up and it sounds quite interesting. I must play it.

Also I must highly recommend Pokemon Zeta/Omicron. Two new regions, pretty much all available pokemon, decent storyline, etc.

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2015, 05:16:43 PM »
I never understood why versions like Crystal, Emerald and Platinum were not just that, cutting out the whole dependency on others angle. I mean, once you've capitalized on the first two, why not reward everyone with the ultimate, complete version two to three years later and make bank by actually EARNING it?

Offline Inkidu

  • E's Resident Girlomancer, Dedicated Philogynist, The Compartive of a Superlative, SLG's Sammich Life-Giver
  • Lord
  • Addict
  • *
  • Join Date: Jul 2008
  • Location: In a staring contest with the Void.
  • Gender: Male
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 1
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2015, 05:54:52 PM »
Looked it up and it sounds quite interesting. I must play it.

Also I must highly recommend Pokemon Zeta/Omicron. Two new regions, pretty much all available pokemon, decent storyline, etc.
What are they? I'm pretty much only interested in the first two generations. That's how I role. I just was getting too bored with the designs after G/S/C

Offline DimirTopic starter

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2015, 06:05:24 PM »
What are they? I'm pretty much only interested in the first two generations. That's how I role. I just was getting too bored with the designs after G/S/C

All generations so far, so it's probably not going to interest you.

Offline Inkidu

  • E's Resident Girlomancer, Dedicated Philogynist, The Compartive of a Superlative, SLG's Sammich Life-Giver
  • Lord
  • Addict
  • *
  • Join Date: Jul 2008
  • Location: In a staring contest with the Void.
  • Gender: Male
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 1
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2015, 06:19:38 PM »
All generations so far, so it's probably not going to interest you.
Well I also have emulator limitations. I've never gotten a DS emulator to work, so I have to pretty much keep to GBA. :\

Offline DimirTopic starter

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2015, 06:24:24 PM »
Well I also have emulator limitations. I've never gotten a DS emulator to work, so I have to pretty much keep to GBA. :\

It's a fan game made with Pokemon Essentials, not a ROM.

Offline Inkidu

  • E's Resident Girlomancer, Dedicated Philogynist, The Compartive of a Superlative, SLG's Sammich Life-Giver
  • Lord
  • Addict
  • *
  • Join Date: Jul 2008
  • Location: In a staring contest with the Void.
  • Gender: Male
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 1
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2015, 06:40:06 PM »
It's a fan game made with Pokemon Essentials, not a ROM.
I wonder if it'll get a C&D. :\

Of course, there are two versions, which implies trading. So how does that work.


Offline DimirTopic starter

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2015, 06:42:57 PM »
I wonder if it'll get a C&D. :\

Of course, there are two versions, which implies trading. So how does that work.

I've never actually traded in the games, but I believe there's a feature that allows you to connect to different players on computer.

Offline Inkidu

  • E's Resident Girlomancer, Dedicated Philogynist, The Compartive of a Superlative, SLG's Sammich Life-Giver
  • Lord
  • Addict
  • *
  • Join Date: Jul 2008
  • Location: In a staring contest with the Void.
  • Gender: Male
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 1
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2015, 06:45:59 PM »
I've never actually traded in the games, but I believe there's a feature that allows you to connect to different players on computer.
What region(s) does it take place in?

Offline DimirTopic starter

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2015, 06:48:15 PM »

Offline Inkidu

  • E's Resident Girlomancer, Dedicated Philogynist, The Compartive of a Superlative, SLG's Sammich Life-Giver
  • Lord
  • Addict
  • *
  • Join Date: Jul 2008
  • Location: In a staring contest with the Void.
  • Gender: Male
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 1
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2015, 06:54:43 PM »
I'm definitely interested actually. If only because I do like a few of the XY pokemon.

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2015, 02:43:56 AM »
I'm playing Alpha Sapphire right now.  After my first play through I'm going to do a random team play through.  May post a thread for it and see what team E comes up with for me.

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2015, 01:31:55 PM »
Does anyone like/have every played the Pokemon Ranger games? I think they're a lot of fun, I enjoy the fact that it's somewhat puzzle-based, the battles are more complicated than just picking out one of four different possible attacks to use against one or two stationary opponents at a time, and the idea that it's your skill and effort being actively employed that makes it possible capture/befriend Pokemon instead of using a random will work/won't work Pokeball. I really hope they're going to make a fourth one on the 3DS soon. Each subsequent game has added more and more cool features and such that have improved on the original, so I would like them to continue this pattern if a fourth one is made for the newest handheld.

Offline DimirTopic starter

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2015, 10:01:23 PM »
Never played the Ranger series before but I should really check it out.

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2015, 11:05:12 PM »
Any and all of them are great, but try the original first, it'll get you used to how it works before they start adding new, more advanced stuff to it. The fun factor also increases with each one.

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2015, 11:14:11 PM »
Does anyone like/have every played the Pokemon Ranger games? I think they're a lot of fun, I enjoy the fact that it's somewhat puzzle-based, the battles are more complicated than just picking out one of four different possible attacks to use against one or two stationary opponents at a time, and the idea that it's your skill and effort being actively employed that makes it possible capture/befriend Pokemon instead of using a random will work/won't work Pokeball. I really hope they're going to make a fourth one on the 3DS soon. Each subsequent game has added more and more cool features and such that have improved on the original, so I would like them to continue this pattern if a fourth one is made for the newest handheld.

Well with how bad the reviews and sales were for the last mystery dungeon, I'd not expect to see another Ranger game anytime soon.

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2015, 08:36:25 AM »
Well with how bad the reviews and sales were for the last mystery dungeon, I'd not expect to see another Ranger game anytime soon.

Those are in no way anything like one another, though. All the Mystery Dungeons are pretty much exactly the same but with different Pokemon and dungeon layouts, but as far as I know, the rules all work the same way; you move x number of spaces on the field and your enemies (wild pokemon) get to move the same number of spaces and you engage in battle which has the same, if not an even more simplistic, format as the original games. It's sort of like a watered-down version of the normal games with little to no overworld in addition to the dungeons, removing the travel and exploring aspects, as well as other trainers, gyms, and the league. Don't lump in Ranger with them, that's a serious misrepresentation. Plus Ranger is gorgeously animated, where your character isn't a pixel-y sprite, their appearances are much better defined, as are motions and actions. I would have liked this latest incarnation (XY) to have upgraded the graphics to Ranger level now that they're on an upgraded version of the handheld, but I think that would make the game too large data-wise to fit their cartridges.

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2015, 04:14:46 PM »
Those are in no way anything like one another, though. All the Mystery Dungeons are pretty much exactly the same but with different Pokemon and dungeon layouts, but as far as I know, the rules all work the same way; you move x number of spaces on the field and your enemies (wild pokemon) get to move the same number of spaces and you engage in battle which has the same, if not an even more simplistic, format as the original games. It's sort of like a watered-down version of the normal games with little to no overworld in addition to the dungeons, removing the travel and exploring aspects, as well as other trainers, gyms, and the league. Don't lump in Ranger with them, that's a serious misrepresentation. Plus Ranger is gorgeously animated, where your character isn't a pixel-y sprite, their appearances are much better defined, as are motions and actions. I would have liked this latest incarnation (XY) to have upgraded the graphics to Ranger level now that they're on an upgraded version of the handheld, but I think that would make the game too large data-wise to fit their cartridges.

Doesn't matter if they are not the same, it is a spin off just like Mystery Dungeon with Pokemon's name labeled on it.  One did bad, ends the cycle for all.  Welcome to Nintendo.

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2015, 05:53:46 PM »
Well as far as economics go, the Rangers games are all still selling for way more than the Dungeon games at used stores, so hopefully that particular branch of the spin-offs will continue to grow. It's also got a few mini-games that the main games seem not to have enough of to break up the RPG monotony.

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2015, 06:13:18 PM »
Well as far as economics go, the Rangers games are all still selling for way more than the Dungeon games at used stores, so hopefully that particular branch of the spin-offs will continue to grow. It's also got a few mini-games that the main games seem not to have enough of to break up the RPG monotony.

If selling used then Nintendo isn't making money off them.

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2015, 08:08:30 PM »
If selling used then Nintendo isn't making money off them.

But it means they're still selling well, which means people like them, hence they'll spend the money on it if and when a new one comes out. It's a full circle type of thing.

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2015, 08:18:28 PM »
But it means they're still selling well, which means people like them, hence they'll spend the money on it if and when a new one comes out. It's a full circle type of thing.

No, because unless Nintendo makes the money off of it why make it?  That isn't how that works.  Companies give no fucks about used game sales.

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2015, 09:53:15 PM »
Well you can infer the popularity of the series by that and project how much revenue would be generated by continuing the series. The fact that they just don't sell new copies right now is, I would guess, the only reason they aren't continuing to make money off of them personally. They may not have as many sequels made as the Dungeon games but the reason for that is, I would guess, simplicity to produce as opposed to sales figures. Especially if, as pointed out, reviews for Mystery Dungeon games are as unfavorable as they say.

Offline Inkidu

  • E's Resident Girlomancer, Dedicated Philogynist, The Compartive of a Superlative, SLG's Sammich Life-Giver
  • Lord
  • Addict
  • *
  • Join Date: Jul 2008
  • Location: In a staring contest with the Void.
  • Gender: Male
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 1
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2015, 10:16:01 AM »
No, because unless Nintendo makes the money off of it why make it?  That isn't how that works.  Companies give no fucks about used game sales.
Well, they do, but they give fucks in a wrong way (ie implementing draconian DRM).

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2015, 11:10:36 AM »
It's just an indicator anyway. If people like that type of game that much, where the demand for used copies is high, that does signify there could be significant profit to be found in making yet another new one. People go to college for this stuff, so much as Nintendo may cheese people off (I for one will never forgive them for letting Rare get away and making Donkey Kong Country/64 unavailable on the virtual console) there's no reason to get this agitated. I'd love to see a new Ranger on the 3DS but I won't hold my breath since I personally also try to buy only used games and have yet to be able to afford many of the other 3DS games I want. Even if they did release one, it'd be years before I could actually get my hands on it, so I'm just gonna sit on that knowledge and be chill.

On that note, I'd like them to make another Pokemon X D Gale of Darkness style game. Maybe it wouldn't have to be quite as lengthy as the typical handheld RPG but I'd still like to have another fully 3D Pokemon game on a console that ISN'T just a Stadium/Colosseum/Battle Revolution type thing that's all about fighting and lacks any exploration.

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2015, 10:36:01 PM »
Just got a Regigigas for a sandshrew in wonder trade.

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2015, 07:38:24 PM »
Just got a Regigigas for a sandshrew in wonder trade.

What's wonder trade?

Also, have they done anything about that whole Original Trainer thing? If I have to transfer in Pokemon from older games, like from one of the GBA versions to the Pal Park from Diamond/Pearl, even though they're mine, it doesn't let me do things as if I was the OT. I wish they'd just get rid of that if they haven't already.

Also, HMs needed a rehaul several generations ago. Instead of them taking up space as a move and forcing you to have an HM mule all the time, they could have made each Pokemon able to hold only one HM move at a time, similar to how each one only has one Ability (like Compoundeyes or Levitate), which they can delete and replace just like the way they can now. That way you'd still have to be judicious about which ones to make a team out of since only certain ones can use certain HMs, but then they could have even more HMs and it wouldn't be a huge pain like it is now. Have they done anything in these latest generations to make HMs any better and less of a hassle?

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2015, 02:51:17 AM »
What's wonder trade?

Also, have they done anything about that whole Original Trainer thing? If I have to transfer in Pokemon from older games, like from one of the GBA versions to the Pal Park from Diamond/Pearl, even though they're mine, it doesn't let me do things as if I was the OT. I wish they'd just get rid of that if they haven't already.

Also, HMs needed a rehaul several generations ago. Instead of them taking up space as a move and forcing you to have an HM mule all the time, they could have made each Pokemon able to hold only one HM move at a time, similar to how each one only has one Ability (like Compoundeyes or Levitate), which they can delete and replace just like the way they can now. That way you'd still have to be judicious about which ones to make a team out of since only certain ones can use certain HMs, but then they could have even more HMs and it wouldn't be a huge pain like it is now. Have they done anything in these latest generations to make HMs any better and less of a hassle?

Wonder trade is a blind trade.  You don't know what you are getting and neither does the random person.

OT still exists and I'm not actually sure how far back you can bring pokemon and it really isn't worth since you an get all 700+ easily now. 

Still need HM slave that isn't going to change as some of those moves are actually used in move sets and some actually learn some through leveling up.  Dive comes to mind.

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2015, 08:20:25 AM »
All those answers are disappointing. I guess I won't be coming out of retirement from playing the main series any time soon. I guess they also haven't developed any HMs for doing things like walking on lava or not sliding on icy paths and such?

Offline Nachtmahr

  • Glorious Fiend.
  • Liege
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2009
  • Location: Always out of sight, never out of mind.
  • The curse of life is the curse of want.
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 1
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2015, 01:05:31 PM »
Fun fact: The newest titles in the main series, Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire actually decided to increase the number of moves required for you to have a pleasant and open playthrough of the game. To navigate the world properly you're going to need not one, but two slaves, both with 4/4 moves that a dictated by what's needed rather than what you want.

As far as trading up Pokémon though, you can actually transfer a Pokémon from the original first game all the way up to the newest if you do it properly - It is however a rather complicated and strange process that'll like be too bothersome for anyone to go ahead and tinker with unless you're really desperate to have your old Pokémon brought with you for some reason. I don't really see how that is disappointing though - Honestly it's just to be expected. When a game goes through generations, and even jumps from new console to console, you can hardly expect them to keep everything compatible all the way through.

Are there any new HM's though? Depends on what you'd consider new to be honest. Not sliding on icy paths is a somewhat poor example, because most icy floors exist solely as part of puzzles, and yet, even to this day, in a world of 3D, the puzzles are basically the exact same as they've always been. You've got your 'Push a rock around' puzzles and your 'Slide in the right direction' puzzles, and a few other familiar faces. But no, nothing is particularly fresh about the HM's. Same old.

That being said, X/Y are (Warning: Opinion) probably the best Pokémon games to ever be released - In stark contrast to Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire that are easily the greatest and most disappointing and infuriating waste of time I've seen in a very long time.

'But Nachtmahr, ORAS can do all the same things as X/Y!' No! They've tried to shamelessly just copy-paste every interesting feature from X/Y, and yet they couldn't even get their copy-paste right and managed to direly mess up things that should be so simple!
There's a lot of water in ORAS, and some might already be itching to jump at me and lecture me on how the games take place on a bunch of tiny islands - Well, the water isn't my problem.. My problem is that being stuck in an environment that looks exactly the same, blue and bland, for hours and hours just isn't fun whether it's the sea or the moon. The games lack any kind of diversity, going from 'Forest' to 'Caves' to 'Water' and that's it.
The 3D graphics doesn't really do anything in ORAS favor either as it's very obvious to see that the game itself wasn't originally built around the idea. Where X/Y is full of beautiful vistas and structures to behold, ORAS looks bland from just about any angle you can imagine with it's towns consisting mostly of two houses and a Pokémon center and boring scenery.
Another shortcoming of ORAS is the fact that it completely falls behind when it comes to diversity in encounters - Every badguy you fight feels the same, and either faction, be it Team Aqua or Magma are limited to a pool of just 4 Pokémon, and eventually their evolutions - Except for their trademark Pokémon which apparently only the leader is allowed to evolve.

There are so many things wrong with Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire that it would be too much to just list here, but my god.. If you love them, good on you - I don't get it, but good on you. I tried, and I tried hard.. However, whatever I did the game insisted on finding new and creative ways of just completely wasting my time as a player and loyal fan, while spoon-feeding me sub-par content.

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2015, 02:16:53 PM »
All those answers are disappointing. I guess I won't be coming out of retirement from playing the main series any time soon. I guess they also haven't developed any HMs for doing things like walking on lava or not sliding on icy paths and such?

No, but the games are a lot better than the originals.

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2015, 08:11:12 PM »
Fun fact: The newest titles in the main series, Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire actually decided to increase the number of moves required for you to have a pleasant and open playthrough of the game. To navigate the world properly you're going to need not one, but two slaves, both with 4/4 moves that a dictated by what's needed rather than what you want.

As far as trading up Pokémon though, you can actually transfer a Pokémon from the original first game all the way up to the newest if you do it properly - It is however a rather complicated and strange process that'll like be too bothersome for anyone to go ahead and tinker with unless you're really desperate to have your old Pokémon brought with you for some reason. I don't really see how that is disappointing though - Honestly it's just to be expected. When a game goes through generations, and even jumps from new console to console, you can hardly expect them to keep everything compatible all the way through.

Are there any new HM's though? Depends on what you'd consider new to be honest. Not sliding on icy paths is a somewhat poor example, because most icy floors exist solely as part of puzzles, and yet, even to this day, in a world of 3D, the puzzles are basically the exact same as they've always been. You've got your 'Push a rock around' puzzles and your 'Slide in the right direction' puzzles, and a few other familiar faces. But no, nothing is particularly fresh about the HM's. Same old.

That being said, X/Y are (Warning: Opinion) probably the best Pokémon games to ever be released - In stark contrast to Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire that are easily the greatest and most disappointing and infuriating waste of time I've seen in a very long time.

'But Nachtmahr, ORAS can do all the same things as X/Y!' No! They've tried to shamelessly just copy-paste every interesting feature from X/Y, and yet they couldn't even get their copy-paste right and managed to direly mess up things that should be so simple!
There's a lot of water in ORAS, and some might already be itching to jump at me and lecture me on how the games take place on a bunch of tiny islands - Well, the water isn't my problem.. My problem is that being stuck in an environment that looks exactly the same, blue and bland, for hours and hours just isn't fun whether it's the sea or the moon. The games lack any kind of diversity, going from 'Forest' to 'Caves' to 'Water' and that's it.
The 3D graphics doesn't really do anything in ORAS favor either as it's very obvious to see that the game itself wasn't originally built around the idea. Where X/Y is full of beautiful vistas and structures to behold, ORAS looks bland from just about any angle you can imagine with it's towns consisting mostly of two houses and a Pokémon center and boring scenery.
Another shortcoming of ORAS is the fact that it completely falls behind when it comes to diversity in encounters - Every badguy you fight feels the same, and either faction, be it Team Aqua or Magma are limited to a pool of just 4 Pokémon, and eventually their evolutions - Except for their trademark Pokémon which apparently only the leader is allowed to evolve.

There are so many things wrong with Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire that it would be too much to just list here, but my god.. If you love them, good on you - I don't get it, but good on you. I tried, and I tried hard.. However, whatever I did the game insisted on finding new and creative ways of just completely wasting my time as a player and loyal fan, while spoon-feeding me sub-par content.

No need to badmouth the 3DS versions of Hoenn region, the originals were the worst just as they were, so all that stuff could have just been said about Ruby and Sapphire. It was practically impossible to build even a half-decent team of 5 unless you were okay with having a bunch of quadruple-weakness-having chumps, which I was not. Yes, the water was irritating, yes, the majority of real dungeons were just cavey repeats, it's all valid, but the remakes can't help that. The originals are to blame.

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2015, 08:29:54 PM »
About to give pokemon insurgence a go.

Offline Nachtmahr

  • Glorious Fiend.
  • Liege
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2009
  • Location: Always out of sight, never out of mind.
  • The curse of life is the curse of want.
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 1
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2015, 09:44:41 PM »
No need to badmouth the 3DS versions of Hoenn region, the originals were the worst just as they were, so all that stuff could have just been said about Ruby and Sapphire. It was practically impossible to build even a half-decent team of 5 unless you were okay with having a bunch of quadruple-weakness-having chumps, which I was not. Yes, the water was irritating, yes, the majority of real dungeons were just cavey repeats, it's all valid, but the remakes can't help that. The originals are to blame.

I honestly don't feel like that at all - The remakes are possibly even worse, for they have no real reason to exist if they're not there to improve on the original product. The games were fine for what they were when they first came out, water and all, but that's quite a while ago, and the fact that the series has made such huge leaps in terms of both storytelling and mechanics makes it outright grievous that the follow-up to that is a far worse product. If you try to be 'on edge' and keep up with the games and the competitive scene, you don't really get a choice as to which game you play, because ORAS serves not only as a remake but also as a standalone sequel to X/Y, even adding new Pokémon in the form of various Mega-Evolutions.

Being a remake or not I don't see any reason why they should be protected from criticism whether to original was as bad or worse. If the original was a bad game they shouldn't have been remade in the first place.

I'm not attacking anyone who likes the game, this is literally just my opinion of the game. I don't want anyone to take any criticism of this product as a personal insult. I find them to be dreadful, but if you want to be where the action is at you don't really get to say that you don't want to take part, and that's perhaps the worst of it all.

I have more fun breeding the Pokémon I need in Y than I have using them in Omega Ruby. :/

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2015, 04:34:26 PM »
Well, I guess if we expected the remakes to be improvements and they didn't, that makes sense, but I didn't have much hope for that given how dismal the originals were.

I'm just really disappointed that in the new games (Black/White, X/Y) they have done little if anything to add more evolutions/prevolutions to previous Pokemon. I want a Rapidash evolution into a Pegasus, and a Houndoom evolution into a Cerberus!

Offline la dame en noir

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2015, 06:19:51 PM »
Wow this light hearted discussion turned into something quite serious.

Offline Nachtmahr

  • Glorious Fiend.
  • Liege
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2009
  • Location: Always out of sight, never out of mind.
  • The curse of life is the curse of want.
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 1
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2015, 06:55:49 PM »
I'm just really disappointed that in the new games (Black/White, X/Y) they have done little if anything to add more evolutions/prevolutions to previous Pokemon. I want a Rapidash evolution into a Pegasus, and a Houndoom evolution into a Cerberus!

Well, if anything then that is something you should already be aware was unlikely to happen. To be honest, I'd much rather see some completely new Pokémon with completely new evolutions than I'd want to see them just piling more and more on top of the old ones. Most of the old Pokémon are so iconic by now that any changes made to them would violently infuriate most of the community - A lot of people use these as they are in their current state, so forcing evolutions on them would be bad.

And.. Personally I'd hate to see it go down a super predictable and stereotypical path of horse-like Pokémon becoming Pega.. si? Pegasi? Pegasuses? Either way, I think that would be a great sadness, and another waste of potential in a future game if all it did was revamp a bunch of old Pokémon. People are already not quite buying the idea that the mega-evolutions of X/Y count towards the overall Pokémon pool.

But I wouldn't say it turned quite serious - But it is a topic that some people feel more passionately about than others. All I really wanted to say is that I personally don't thing ORAS are any good at all, especially not as a direct follow-up to X/Y. I dearly love X/Y, on a more positive note though. In my opinion they are quite possibly the best games in the franchise, if you take off your nostalgia goggles.

I guess it'll be interested to see whether we'll jump straight into Gen-7 later this year, or if we'll actually get the fabled Pokémon Z. It would be nice for Zygarde to make some kind of sense. I adore the design.

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2015, 07:52:27 PM »
Well, if anything then that is something you should already be aware was unlikely to happen. To be honest, I'd much rather see some completely new Pokémon with completely new evolutions than I'd want to see them just piling more and more on top of the old ones. Most of the old Pokémon are so iconic by now that any changes made to them would violently infuriate most of the community - A lot of people use these as they are in their current state, so forcing evolutions on them would be bad.

And.. Personally I'd hate to see it go down a super predictable and stereotypical path of horse-like Pokémon becoming Pega.. si? Pegasi? Pegasuses? Either way, I think that would be a great sadness, and another waste of potential in a future game if all it did was revamp a bunch of old Pokémon. People are already not quite buying the idea that the mega-evolutions of X/Y count towards the overall Pokémon pool.

But I wouldn't say it turned quite serious - But it is a topic that some people feel more passionately about than others. All I really wanted to say is that I personally don't thing ORAS are any good at all, especially not as a direct follow-up to X/Y. I dearly love X/Y, on a more positive note though. In my opinion they are quite possibly the best games in the franchise, if you take off your nostalgia goggles.

I guess it'll be interested to see whether we'll jump straight into Gen-7 later this year, or if we'll actually get the fabled Pokémon Z. It would be nice for Zygarde to make some kind of sense. I adore the design.

Really? How should I have been aware that it was likely not to happen? They already rehash so many different types, such as frogs, turtles, monkeys and pigs, it's kind of ridiculous. At least making mythical further evolutions to existing varieties would be better than just lame recreations. There's also so much untapped potential already, I think (please correct me if they've finally gotten around to it) they still haven't modeled any new Pokemon after mosquitoes, narwhals, woodpeckers or even other things non-animalistic like flying saucers (kind of like that one ability Kirby gets in some games.)

Offline Nachtmahr

  • Glorious Fiend.
  • Liege
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2009
  • Location: Always out of sight, never out of mind.
  • The curse of life is the curse of want.
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 1
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2015, 02:44:18 AM »
Actually, here's a flying saucer for you. Magnezone.


But piling new evolutions on top of some of the most beloved of all Pokémon is very unlikely. It's like Blizzard coming out and just making all orcs various shades of blue for not apparent reason. There are plenty of myth-inspired Pokémon already in the game - The bulk of them just happen to be based on Japanese and general eastern mythology. Considering where this franchise comes from, that's not really all that surprising either.

But in essence, any Pokémon that's currently somewhat viable as a competitive player is unlikely to get anymore than a Mega-Evolution at best - Which Houndoom and plenty of other Gen-1 and 2 Pokémon have. Not surprisingly though, people are very easily offended when a classic gets a facelift that they either don't like, or didn't feel like it needed. Adding evolutions and Megas on old Pokémon these days is really a matter of balance more than adding something new to the game. Houndoom even already has a Mega! And Mega-Evolution is a big chunk of the ways the game function, being possibly the most radical change to happen for a long time.

But with only around 700 Pokémon in the game, you're right: There are a lot of things they haven't modeled Pokémon after yet. I personally think there are more interesting things than just more animals though. Of course I don't agree with the fact that there now is a 'Cotton Candy' Pokémon, and the fact that there is a Pokémon which is essentially a bundle of keys on a coat hanger, but hey.. At least it's somewhat innovative.

Offline yugi006

  • Saleen's Switch, Cherishing his bestie Angel, Rocked by Carnage, Wolfling's Adoring Pillow,
  • Lord
  • Carnite
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2011
  • Location: With Cole in Her Arms, Hiding in the Shadows, Stalking Josi's Profile
  • Gender: Male
  • Anesa's Game Tutor, Ninja Assassin
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 0
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2015, 04:01:27 AM »
They didn't really improve much on ORAS. The only reason it was made as with all remakes is so the Pokemon from that gen become available as it's hard to be the Pokemon from that gen.

Offline Nachtmahr

  • Glorious Fiend.
  • Liege
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2009
  • Location: Always out of sight, never out of mind.
  • The curse of life is the curse of want.
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 1
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2015, 04:18:42 AM »
They didn't really improve much on ORAS. The only reason it was made as with all remakes is so the Pokemon from that gen become available as it's hard to be the Pokemon from that gen.

Actually, other than the legendaries, that's not really true. The online trading system makes every Pokémon ever made available to everyone pretty much. All you have to do is roll the dice on Wonder Trade, or simply just browse the Trade section.

I strongly doubt there's any 'single reason' as to why it was made, other than of course monetizing nostalgia. I believe there is something deeper in the story, as the story has been updated to suit the current Gen as opposed to Gen-3 when it came out. I won't spoil it though, and there's of course every chance my theories are wrong anyway.

Offline yugi006

  • Saleen's Switch, Cherishing his bestie Angel, Rocked by Carnage, Wolfling's Adoring Pillow,
  • Lord
  • Carnite
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2011
  • Location: With Cole in Her Arms, Hiding in the Shadows, Stalking Josi's Profile
  • Gender: Male
  • Anesa's Game Tutor, Ninja Assassin
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 0
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2015, 01:59:43 PM »
The trade section sucks so much. I've browsed the trade sections in X and Y when looking for stuff to fill my Dex and all I see are people asking for Legendaries even for basic Pokemon. It's hard to find any reasonable trades. Also it would be nice if it could show abilities and moves on the Pokemon that you are getting cause if you are looking for a specific ability and get something different it sucks.

True it is possible to get Pokemon from the 3rd gen but it isn't that easy for those that don't have access to the originals and a original DS or DS lite. Nostalgia is definitely a factor but not the biggest reason. The reason it's possible to obtain all po!emon is because of the 1st and second gen remakes. Without those it would be impossible to get everything.

The story is pretty much the same except expanded on due to the mega evolutions and primal Pokemon.

As for Z coming out Black and White broke the chain for that with Black 2 and White 2. For all we know there could be and 2 and Y 2.

Offline Nachtmahr

  • Glorious Fiend.
  • Liege
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2009
  • Location: Always out of sight, never out of mind.
  • The curse of life is the curse of want.
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 1
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2015, 02:29:32 PM »
You see, again I'm going to disagree - Sure there are a lot fo people who use the trading system in rather weird ways, asking for a shiny Mewtwo in return for their Meowth, but fact of the matter is that all Pokémon are still available, and were available, all throughout X/Y without having to do anything particularly straining to get a hold of them, except for a few legendaries. First of all there is a rather large selection of Pokémon to be found in the games already, and then you have the 'Friend Safari' system making even more of them available, in addition to making it possible for you to farm hidden abilities.

The last game I played before X/Y was the original Gold some ten years ago - I decided I wanted to see how the series had progressed, so I got myself a 3DS and Pokémon Y, and I had absolutely no trouble getting any Pokémon I wanted, so I just don't see any logic behind the idea that ORAS were made exclusively for the sake of bringing back Gen 1-3 Pokémon to the game - What about all the Gen 1-2 Pokémon that aren't actually in ORAS? If they were made for that purpose, they would have to have somewhere around 350 Pokémon available in the game from the very beginning, and believe me: It doesn't.

Without spoiling anything, the Pokémon available to you at the start of the game are so limited in number that you're forced to keep 1 particular Pokémon on you during any playthrough in order to progress, simply to be able to use 'Cut' without having to grind your start up to it's first evolution.

And the story is actually fairly different, but I'm not going to go into that to avoid spoilers.

Anyways: I don't think the fact that Black and White went with two sequels rather than just one 'Grey' means that the concept of having a single game come out to 'end' a generation is done with. I firmly believe that the reason why they made Black and White 2 instead of a single game is because it didn't make sense with that particular storyline to have it all in one game - However, a Pokémon Z makes sense within the narrative of X/Y.

Offline yugi006

  • Saleen's Switch, Cherishing his bestie Angel, Rocked by Carnage, Wolfling's Adoring Pillow,
  • Lord
  • Carnite
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2011
  • Location: With Cole in Her Arms, Hiding in the Shadows, Stalking Josi's Profile
  • Gender: Male
  • Anesa's Game Tutor, Ninja Assassin
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 0
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2015, 05:12:18 PM »
Provided you have internet access to get them otherwise you had to get them the old fashioned way through previous generations. Also if you know where to look it makes things easier than gong directly to the trade section in game. The friend safari is amazing but the GTS doesn't show what abilities a Pokemon has unless you go through Wi-Fi.

I'm not saying ORAS was made to bring back gen 1-3 cause they are available but it was made to make it easier to get Pokemon with the amount of starters and legendaries made available. X and Y did the same thing by making first gen starters available as well as certain legendaries. The primary reason I believe is just to make things easier to get as with having both X and Y and ORAS you can get most of the Pokemon. The Gen 1-2 stuff that isn't in ORAS is in X and Y. Obviously Pokemon does sell well so that is a big reason for the remake.

The story seems pretty much the same to me just expanded upon with the Delta Episode.

I do agree with you on the Z concept but ORAS is already out. It has been the case with Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum that they released right after their respective generations with no releases in between. Same goes for Black and White 2.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2015, 05:35:27 PM by yugi006 »

Offline Nachtmahr

  • Glorious Fiend.
  • Liege
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2009
  • Location: Always out of sight, never out of mind.
  • The curse of life is the curse of want.
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 1
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #46 on: January 16, 2015, 04:21:14 AM »
I do agree with you on the Z concept but ORAS is already out. It has been the case with Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum that they released right after their respective generations with no releases in between. Same goes for Black and White 2.

Again, that's not actually true. The remakes of Pokémon Red and Pokémon Green were released after the original Ruby and Sapphire. It was more than 6 months after the release of the Gen-1 remakes that Emerald saw it's own release, 2 years after Ruby and Sapphire.

I still believe that it wouldn't make much sense in the narrative of X/Y to have actual sequels the same way Black and White had - But it would make sense to have a single game that serves a sort of conclusion, similar to how Crystal, Platinum, Yellow and Emerald worked. I think it's somewhat like that there will be a Pokémon Z, because ending a new generation with two remakes, and only having to actual games that are set in gen 6 doesn't make an awful lot of sense to me. It would be the shortest generation to date if they did that.

But of course we won't actually know until they release some information, and they likely won't do that until later this year - Late in the summer if I were to guess just off the top of my head.

Now.. I fear we're making a lot of people uncomfortable with these discussion? ^^'

Anything I have said isn't meant as an insult or an attack on the franchise - I come in peace! Promise!

Offline yugi006

  • Saleen's Switch, Cherishing his bestie Angel, Rocked by Carnage, Wolfling's Adoring Pillow,
  • Lord
  • Carnite
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2011
  • Location: With Cole in Her Arms, Hiding in the Shadows, Stalking Josi's Profile
  • Gender: Male
  • Anesa's Game Tutor, Ninja Assassin
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 0
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #47 on: January 16, 2015, 04:45:29 AM »
Again, that's not actually true. The remakes of Pokémon Red and Pokémon Green were released after the original Ruby and Sapphire. It was more than 6 months after the release of the Gen-1 remakes that Emerald saw it's own release, 2 years after Ruby and Sapphire.

I still believe that it wouldn't make much sense in the narrative of X/Y to have actual sequels the same way Black and White had - But it would make sense to have a single game that serves a sort of conclusion, similar to how Crystal, Platinum, Yellow and Emerald worked. I think it's somewhat like that there will be a Pokémon Z, because ending a new generation with two remakes, and only having to actual games that are set in gen 6 doesn't make an awful lot of sense to me. It would be the shortest generation to date if they did that.

But of course we won't actually know until they release some information, and they likely won't do that until later this year - Late in the summer if I were to guess just off the top of my head.

Now.. I fear we're making a lot of people uncomfortable with these discussion? ^^'

Anything I have said isn't meant as an insult or an attack on the franchise - I come in peace! Promise!

Well I missed that one but to be fair the release of Fire Red and Leaf Green and Emerald were not too far apart.

If Z were to be released it would have to be this year so I agree on that.

Well the discussion is pretty much over.

Offline Nachtmahr

  • Glorious Fiend.
  • Liege
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2009
  • Location: Always out of sight, never out of mind.
  • The curse of life is the curse of want.
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 1
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #48 on: January 16, 2015, 05:32:26 AM »
Well I missed that one but to be fair the release of Fire Red and Leaf Green and Emerald were not too far apart.

If Z were to be released it would have to be this year so I agree on that.

Well the discussion is pretty much over.

Well, Emerald came out about 8 months after FireRed and LeafGreen, so I'd say that's actually a pretty decent about of time. :P

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #49 on: January 16, 2015, 08:52:10 AM »
To be fair, Emerald made the Hoenn experience (just barely) tolerable for me, but if Omega/Alpha don't give at least as much as Emerald gave to the original Ruby and Sapphire, that would be a huge rip-off.

Offline yugi006

  • Saleen's Switch, Cherishing his bestie Angel, Rocked by Carnage, Wolfling's Adoring Pillow,
  • Lord
  • Carnite
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2011
  • Location: With Cole in Her Arms, Hiding in the Shadows, Stalking Josi's Profile
  • Gender: Male
  • Anesa's Game Tutor, Ninja Assassin
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 0
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #50 on: January 16, 2015, 01:38:12 PM »
Well, Emerald came out about 8 months after FireRed and LeafGreen, so I'd say that's actually a pretty decent about of time. :P

Consider it took 2 years for Fire Red and Leaf Green 8 months is not that long for me.

To be fair, Emerald made the Hoenn experience (just barely) tolerable for me, but if Omega/Alpha don't give at least as much as Emerald gave to the original Ruby and Sapphire, that would be a huge rip-off.

To me ORAS is worth the play through cause it is a whole new experience cause of all the changes.

Offline King Serperior

  • Elliquiy's First Case of CYOA Addiction ~ Most Complicated Character Creator ~ King of the Futanari ~ Caretaker of Monster Girls ~ Please call me KS ~ Biggest Starcraft Fan ~ .jpg Deity ~ Muse Maestro ~ Biggest Monster Musume Fan ~ Emperor of Titles
  • On Hiatus
  • Carnite
  • *
  • Join Date: May 2013
  • Location: Watching Critical Role & L.A. by Night
  • Gender: Male
  • It's fine now! Why? Because I am here!
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 0
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #51 on: January 16, 2015, 01:42:01 PM »
Slipping off topic for a moment, but are there any Pokemon fans here who enjoy doing Nuzlocke challenges, be they normal Nuzlockes, WonderLockes, or even Wedlockes (which I have yet to have tried)?  I personally prefer these challenges over regular runs since they help me use Pokemon I likely never would have used before.

Offline Zekromnomnom

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #52 on: January 16, 2015, 02:37:32 PM »
Personally, I loved the original Gen 3. My main problem with ORAS is lack of challenge since everything seems to be leveling up too quickly. And about the idea of having Houndoom and Rapidash get new evolutions, that was the kind of thing they did with Diamond and Pearl which are by far my least favorite games.

Rather than trying to come up with new pokemon, not counting the stupid beaver one that was the best HM slave ever and having a new bird pokemon based on some kind of real life bird no one can really recognize anyway, they mostly decided to have new evolutions of old pokemon, often ones that didn't really need it. Roselia needed a pre-evolution? Nosepass, a freaking big nosed Easter Island statue, needed a new evolution? Not to mention Eevee evolutions tied to locations which was pretty annoying.

I'm not saying a three headed dog wouldn't be cool, but I worry that if they try to have new evolutions of old stuff, they'll just mess it up again.  Which is what I'll always view DP as. I'd rather have a new generation with lots of new stuff. I don't mind sifting through a garbage bag pokemon, an ice cream cone, or cotton candy if it means I get 8 ft long centipede monster or an adorable flying squirrel pokemon or a common bird pokemon that evolves and finally gets a typing other than Normal/Flying.

For the record, in my opinion, I think obviously they wanted to make money with ORAS, but on the other hand, it's one of few mainstream series where people who are getting into it now when they're eight years old can easily play something that I played 12 years ago without having to like buy a cartridge off of ebay. So I'm not going to be hating on it even though they could have done a lot better with it.

Take all that with a grain of salt, though I guess. I'm obviously not the completionist some of you are and I have plenty of little or gigantic hang ups about different aspects of pokemon (like...pretty much everything about Lucario for instance).

Oh, and Samurot or however it's spelled is kind of like a narwhal.

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #53 on: January 16, 2015, 03:01:52 PM »
It has been said by the creator of Pokemon that the games are easier.  I don't mind, I play this game to breed and wifi battle.  Faster I can clear, faster I can get to breeding and playing.  EVs being able to do easily now is a welcome change for me as well. 

Offline King Serperior

  • Elliquiy's First Case of CYOA Addiction ~ Most Complicated Character Creator ~ King of the Futanari ~ Caretaker of Monster Girls ~ Please call me KS ~ Biggest Starcraft Fan ~ .jpg Deity ~ Muse Maestro ~ Biggest Monster Musume Fan ~ Emperor of Titles
  • On Hiatus
  • Carnite
  • *
  • Join Date: May 2013
  • Location: Watching Critical Role & L.A. by Night
  • Gender: Male
  • It's fine now! Why? Because I am here!
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 0
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #54 on: January 16, 2015, 03:07:10 PM »
It has been said by the creator of Pokemon that the games are easier.  I don't mind, I play this game to breed and wifi battle.  Faster I can clear, faster I can get to breeding and playing.  EVs being able to do easily now is a welcome change for me as well.
While nice, I would love to have a much more difficult Pokemon game, one that would provide a challenge in a regular playthrough as well as providing many encounters so that Nuzlockes will be both very difficult and fun at the same time.  Then again, I don't breed or EV/IV train often, so my opinion may be somewhat moot in that regard.

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #55 on: January 16, 2015, 03:30:01 PM »
While nice, I would love to have a much more difficult Pokemon game, one that would provide a challenge in a regular playthrough as well as providing many encounters so that Nuzlockes will be both very difficult and fun at the same time.  Then again, I don't breed or EV/IV train often, so my opinion may be somewhat moot in that regard.

Won't happen, target audience is children.

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #56 on: January 16, 2015, 11:49:59 PM »
It wouldn't kill them to make a Kid Mode and a Hard/Challenge Mode for players of varying skill and experience. I miss there being more games where that's a choice. Then again, RPGs never really did make themselves known for that. Still, it couldn't hurt to start.

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #57 on: January 17, 2015, 03:24:38 AM »
It would kill Nintendo, it isn't how their pokemon games are made.  :P

Offline Zekromnomnom

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #58 on: January 17, 2015, 06:34:44 AM »
I really doubt having two difficulties in Pokemon games would kill Nintendo.

Offline Qt

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #59 on: January 17, 2015, 06:54:11 AM »
Just got a Regigigas for a sandshrew in wonder trade.

Wonder trade is quite wonderful, once got a 6IV Rayquaza once, though I'm pretty sure that was a genned poke.

It wouldn't kill them to make a Kid Mode and a Hard/Challenge Mode for players of varying skill and experience. I miss there being more games where that's a choice. Then again, RPGs never really did make themselves known for that. Still, it couldn't hurt to start.

In a way pokemon already has a hard mode. Since competitive pokemon really only begins after you finish the game and start spending hundreds of hours breeding stuff, and soft resetting for legendaries. There also stuff like battle maison where things can get ridiculously hard after you get a few wins. I do admit the single player seems easy, one could always turn off the exp share, even though it only really increases the grind rather than make the game actually harder.

Offline AurieSilver

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #60 on: January 17, 2015, 01:15:42 PM »

In a way pokemon already has a hard mode. Since competitive pokemon really only begins after you finish the game and start spending hundreds of hours breeding stuff, and soft resetting for legendaries. There also stuff like battle maison where things can get ridiculously hard after you get a few wins. I do admit the single player seems easy, one could always turn off the exp share, even though it only really increases the grind rather than make the game actually harder.

I wouldn't really call that a hard mode. Most people don't breed or waste time soft resetting, they just pokegen or powersave their Pokemon. I personally breed, but I think anyone who soft resets is just wasting their time. Also if you're buying the game just to play competitively then you might as well just save 40 dollars and play Pokemon Showdown.

The problem with the maison is that it's "difficulty" lies in the fact that you don't know what the opponent has while they know what you have. Most of the time the game just tries to counter team you at later levels. Thats why Greninja is so good in maison, the ability to change types really throws off the computer. Plus there's plenty of really easy but extremely boring strategies that make the maison a joke, like using a Truant Durant with Entrainment paired with a Pokemon that can set up.

I don't understand the reasoning behind making the games so much easier without offering a harder difficulty. Heck, I barely see the reasoning behind making the games so much easier at all. We've all been kids before and we got through the games just fine, I don't believe anyone needs their hands held but if Gamefreak thinks some people do then at least give a hard mode for the people who don't want their hands held.

Offline Tsenta

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #61 on: January 17, 2015, 02:11:58 PM »
They did hard/easy modes in the Gen5 games... >_>;

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #62 on: January 18, 2015, 06:05:12 PM »
They did hard/easy modes in the Gen5 games... >_>;

What exactly does the difference between them entail?

Offline King Serperior

  • Elliquiy's First Case of CYOA Addiction ~ Most Complicated Character Creator ~ King of the Futanari ~ Caretaker of Monster Girls ~ Please call me KS ~ Biggest Starcraft Fan ~ .jpg Deity ~ Muse Maestro ~ Biggest Monster Musume Fan ~ Emperor of Titles
  • On Hiatus
  • Carnite
  • *
  • Join Date: May 2013
  • Location: Watching Critical Role & L.A. by Night
  • Gender: Male
  • It's fine now! Why? Because I am here!
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 0
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #63 on: January 18, 2015, 06:16:58 PM »
What exactly does the difference between them entail?
Higher/lower levels for the gym leaders, rivals, and E4 respectively.  Hard mode added an extra Pokemon to each Gym so sweeping them with a single type advantage wouldn't be so easy:  The first gym (Normal) received a Pidove (Normal/Flying) to make catching a Riolu early wouldn't be a clean sweep.  In the second gym (Poison), Roxie gets a Grimer, which has Mud Slap, which is 4X super effective against Magnimite.  Mag walls that gym completely otherwise.

Offline Nachtmahr

  • Glorious Fiend.
  • Liege
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2009
  • Location: Always out of sight, never out of mind.
  • The curse of life is the curse of want.
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 1
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #64 on: January 19, 2015, 12:44:48 PM »
Won't happen, target audience is children.

I think that's way too much of a blanket statement - First of all I don't think there's any way to actually confirm or affirm that the games are targeted specifically at children, if by children we assume you mean 5-10 year olds. Just because the protagonists are usually ridiculously young that doesn't mean the audience is meant to be those of just that age. As a matter of fact I'd go as far as to say that there is no specific target audience - The games don't market themselves to anyone in particular, and the anime and the games have nothing to do with each other apart from being set in two versions of the same universe.

If I were to say the games were being marketed to anyone I'd say young teens, but history has proven time and time again that the audience of the Pokémon games is pretty equal in terms of both age and gender. Especially in newer generations we have an increased depth and impact to the stories, the games now including several themes that I wouldn't deem to be targeted at children.

The second part about this statement I find to be a bit off is the fact that no one here has the ability to make a call about whether or not the difficulty of the games is only going to go down. First of all, the company themselves did state that the decrease in difficulty was to be a favor to older fans who, because of general adult stuff, do not have time to spend hours and hours and hours grinding anymore - It's not to make the game more accessible to children. When I was a child I had no problem playing the old 'difficult' games, and nor has anyone I've ever known had any issues with them. There's nothing wrong with putting a bit of challenge in a game even if it's for children.

In conclusions: I don't believe the games are targeted specifically at children - I see no proof at all to that theory. And I firmly believe that there will be 'harder' Pokémon games at some point - Even if it is just a hard-mode that amps everything's levels up by 5 or something.   

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #65 on: January 19, 2015, 02:56:03 PM »
I think that's way too much of a blanket statement - First of all I don't think there's any way to actually confirm or affirm that the games are targeted specifically at children, if by children we assume you mean 5-10 year olds. Just because the protagonists are usually ridiculously young that doesn't mean the audience is meant to be those of just that age. As a matter of fact I'd go as far as to say that there is no specific target audience - The games don't market themselves to anyone in particular, and the anime and the games have nothing to do with each other apart from being set in two versions of the same universe.

If I were to say the games were being marketed to anyone I'd say young teens, but history has proven time and time again that the audience of the Pokémon games is pretty equal in terms of both age and gender. Especially in newer generations we have an increased depth and impact to the stories, the games now including several themes that I wouldn't deem to be targeted at children.

The second part about this statement I find to be a bit off is the fact that no one here has the ability to make a call about whether or not the difficulty of the games is only going to go down. First of all, the company themselves did state that the decrease in difficulty was to be a favor to older fans who, because of general adult stuff, do not have time to spend hours and hours and hours grinding anymore - It's not to make the game more accessible to children. When I was a child I had no problem playing the old 'difficult' games, and nor has anyone I've ever known had any issues with them. There's nothing wrong with putting a bit of challenge in a game even if it's for children.

In conclusions: I don't believe the games are targeted specifically at children - I see no proof at all to that theory. And I firmly believe that there will be 'harder' Pokémon games at some point - Even if it is just a hard-mode that amps everything's levels up by 5 or something.   

They have said the target audience is children, that is the main reason they will not do DLC.

Offline Nachtmahr

  • Glorious Fiend.
  • Liege
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2009
  • Location: Always out of sight, never out of mind.
  • The curse of life is the curse of want.
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 1
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2015, 03:11:11 PM »
They have said the target audience is children, that is the main reason they will not do DLC.

There are a plethora of reasons why companies would choose not to make DLC other than their audience being children - Mostly it's just a matter of integrity and the company not being complete anti-consumer ***holes. Not doing DLC is an -amazing- thing, it's not something that 'caters' to children.

And if they can be quoted as saying their target audience is children I'd strongly assume that's coming from some PR or non-involved individual. If not, they are really shit at marketing their material.

Either way, if it's the lead designer I'll still call him out on being wrong about that.

As I said before they have also said that the lack of difficulty was to appeal to older players specifically, not children - And even if it was specifically a children's game it doesn't mean it should be devoid of all challenge.

Offline DimirTopic starter

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #67 on: January 22, 2015, 11:10:08 AM »
Has anyone else here played the fan games Zeta/Omicron? They're not ROM Hacks so you don't have to download emulators, just the game file. You have two regions, a very interesting plot, difficult opponents and almost all the pokemon in a lengthy and detailed adventure. I've played the first region and would love to explain more to anyone who would be interested.

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #68 on: January 22, 2015, 01:04:52 PM »
Has anyone else here played the fan games Zeta/Omicron? They're not ROM Hacks so you don't have to download emulators, just the game file. You have two regions, a very interesting plot, difficult opponents and almost all the pokemon in a lengthy and detailed adventure. I've played the first region and would love to explain more to anyone who would be interested.

The guy who built them is also working on Pokemon Insurgence.

Offline DimirTopic starter

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #69 on: January 22, 2015, 03:05:15 PM »
The guy who built them is also working on Pokemon Insurgence.

I can't believe I've never heard of Insurgence before. I must download this!

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2015, 11:40:23 PM »
Are there any Pokemon that make anyone just go, "WTF? Why bother?" Particularly from Black/White and X/Y.

For me in particular, I mean, I like creativity and such but Dunsparce is just kinda...WTF? The strangest appearance and, from all I can tell, completely useless for combat (I can't even tell if it's based on a real animal). Then there are the pairs where it's like, "You couldn't make these just a little bit different?" Plusle/Minun and those two firefly twin things leap to mind, but there are probably others from after Gen 3. Or Torkoal being the same basic thing as Squirtle, just seems like they aren't putting in the effort they should. Same thing with Chimchar even after Aipom was already created. Kinda one of the reasons I just stopped playing after Gen 4. If Nintendo ever does what some of these things you guys are talking about, where you have access to ALL Pokemon without needing to trade or whatever, that'll be when I pick up the handheld again and start the journey to catch 'em all. Of course, they'll have to have fixed all those other little nitpicks I've been mentioning first too.

Offline Drake Valentine

  • Architect of Worlds
  • Knight
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Jun 2009
  • Location: In the Deepest Depthes of Your Twisted Mind
  • Gender: Male
  • Making Your Darkest of Fantasies a Reality
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 0
Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #71 on: January 23, 2015, 01:41:39 AM »
I run magikarp sweep team with magikarp sweeping.

Offline Zekromnomnom

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #72 on: January 23, 2015, 08:18:47 AM »
I got Gen 1 gym badge pins for Christmas :)

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #73 on: January 24, 2015, 03:29:44 AM »
I can't believe I've never heard of Insurgence before. I must download this!

Currently it is only a demo that goes to the third badge and I think there is a trainer with level 50 pokemon.  I've not completed the game but your starter is a delta pokemon.

Offline DimirTopic starter

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #74 on: January 24, 2015, 03:34:46 AM »
Currently it is only a demo that goes to the third badge and I think there is a trainer with level 50 pokemon.  I've not completed the game but your starter is a delta pokemon.

I started it and got the Delta starter, however it froze on me because of something regarding a Pokemon sprite (luckily I saved beforehand), so I have to see if I can fix that.

Offline Tsenta

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #75 on: January 24, 2015, 03:58:26 AM »
Managed to get my hands on a Nobunaga's Rayquaza, happy dance for me. Lol

Offline DimirTopic starter

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #76 on: February 02, 2015, 02:20:31 PM »
Anyone else besides me enjoyed the two shadow pokemon games for the Gamecube (Colosseum and XD)? Despite the linear format, I highly enjoyed the changes from the regular game, a more outlaw region, actually interesting main character, and some very difficult bosses.

Offline JoanieSappho

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #77 on: March 12, 2015, 07:46:56 PM »
I enjoyed them as well, Dimir. Colosseum more than XD, though. The difficulty was great, the fact the starters were and Espeon and an Umbreon, the whole focus on double battles ... those games were great fun.

Offline DimirTopic starter

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #78 on: March 12, 2015, 07:54:51 PM »
I enjoyed them as well, Dimir. Colosseum more than XD, though. The difficulty was great, the fact the starters were and Espeon and an Umbreon, the whole focus on double battles ... those games were great fun.

Awesome! If I can remember correctly, my ending team in my 2004 run of Colosseum was Espeon, Umbreon, Ampharos, Hariyama, Entei and Suicune. I always actually wanted to write a fanfic where Ardos revives Cipher (he pledged he would do it after being beat in the Orre colosseum) for one final shot at the Shadow Pokemon plan.

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #79 on: March 13, 2015, 10:42:31 PM »
Anyone else besides me enjoyed the two shadow pokemon games for the Gamecube (Colosseum and XD)? Despite the linear format, I highly enjoyed the changes from the regular game, a more outlaw region, actually interesting main character, and some very difficult bosses.

Not Colosseum, no, because the Stadium series and so forth are just about battle with no exploration which is the heart of an RPG. But I did like Gale of Darkness, that one was much more engaging though limited compared to the handhelds' worlds. But the fact that they were able to do it that well means they ought to have been able to do something like that on the N64, a bigger, better one on the GC and even better one on the Wii. They just don't feel like putting the time and effort into it on anything but the handhelds. I would have loved being able to play them in a world that looked more like the anime show, with vibrant colors and more realistic character design.

Plus, those puzzle battles? What a cool concept! Almost like the duel puzzles in Yugioh games. The handhelds would have benefited from those being incorporated, wouldn't they? I mean, the other minigames are kind of lacking, at least in variety.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2015, 10:43:39 PM by Mathim »

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #80 on: March 15, 2015, 01:32:49 PM »
Well there is a new mystery dungeon game coming out... Etrian Mystery Dungeon.

Offline JoanieSappho

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #81 on: March 15, 2015, 02:11:33 PM »
Not Colosseum, no, because the Stadium series and so forth are just about battle with no exploration which is the heart of an RPG. But I did like Gale of Darkness, that one was much more engaging though limited compared to the handhelds' worlds. But the fact that they were able to do it that well means they ought to have been able to do something like that on the N64, a bigger, better one on the GC and even better one on the Wii. They just don't feel like putting the time and effort into it on anything but the handhelds. I would have loved being able to play them in a world that looked more like the anime show, with vibrant colors and more realistic character design.

Plus, those puzzle battles? What a cool concept! Almost like the duel puzzles in Yugioh games. The handhelds would have benefited from those being incorporated, wouldn't they? I mean, the other minigames are kind of lacking, at least in variety.

But Colosseum was the game that Gale of Darkness was a sequel to, not one of the Stadium games.
Despite the name, Colosseum is very similar to Gale of Darkness in most ways.

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #82 on: March 15, 2015, 07:13:18 PM »
But Colosseum was the game that Gale of Darkness was a sequel to, not one of the Stadium games.
Despite the name, Colosseum is very similar to Gale of Darkness in most ways.

So there was more or less an open overworld where you could explore different areas like in the handheld games? You weren't limited to just fighting and no exploration or finding items or capturing Pokemon in the wild, or capturing them from shadow trainers? I'm aware of their connection, I'm simply not familiar with Colosseum being anything but an update to Stadium, but with some semblance of a plot to give the fighting a context.

Mystery Dungeon games just lack...well, anything truly original. I mean, how many different ones are there outside the Poke-verse? More than I can count. Without radical innovation I can't see them being more than a diversion. The Ranger games, on the other hand, way more engaging and challenging, plus exploration isn't tedious because of the ever-changing shapes of the dungeons.

Offline JoanieSappho

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #83 on: March 15, 2015, 07:41:59 PM »
So there was more or less an open overworld where you could explore different areas like in the handheld games? You weren't limited to just fighting and no exploration or finding items or capturing Pokemon in the wild, or capturing them from shadow trainers? I'm aware of their connection, I'm simply not familiar with Colosseum being anything but an update to Stadium, but with some semblance of a plot to give the fighting a context.

Mystery Dungeon games just lack...well, anything truly original. I mean, how many different ones are there outside the Poke-verse? More than I can count. Without radical innovation I can't see them being more than a diversion. The Ranger games, on the other hand, way more engaging and challenging, plus exploration isn't tedious because of the ever-changing shapes of the dungeons.

Gale of Darkness was a direct sequel to Colosseum. Same area, although some bits were closed off in one game, or not present in the other, and Colosseum didn't have wild pokemon. It still had the shadow pokemon, though, and areas you had to puzzle your way through and items to get and such.

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #84 on: March 15, 2015, 08:01:31 PM »
Areas of the colosseum? So no towns or other dungeon-y areas, then? Still doesn't sound like the effort was put in that was for Gale of Darkness. Would have been a neat storyline to continue bringing forward to the Wii stuff but Battle Revolution seems like it didn't bother to innovate. At least on the surface, I could be wrong.

Offline JoanieSappho

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #85 on: March 15, 2015, 08:09:55 PM »
Areas of the colosseum? So no towns or other dungeon-y areas, then? Still doesn't sound like the effort was put in that was for Gale of Darkness. Would have been a neat storyline to continue bringing forward to the Wii stuff but Battle Revolution seems like it didn't bother to innovate. At least on the surface, I could be wrong.
No, I mean the areas in Gale of Darkness were, with the exception of the starting lab and the mad scientist's places, in Colosseum.
The Stadium stuff is utterly and entirely unrelated to Colosseum other than both being a pokemon game.

Colosseum is in the same region as XD. It takes place a couple of years before Gale of Darkness, and events and such in Colosseum are referenced and implied throughout Gale of Darkness. Like the difference between Pokemon Black and Black 2.

Offline Mathim

Re: Pokemon!
« Reply #86 on: March 20, 2015, 10:48:18 PM »
No, I mean the areas in Gale of Darkness were, with the exception of the starting lab and the mad scientist's places, in Colosseum.
The Stadium stuff is utterly and entirely unrelated to Colosseum other than both being a pokemon game.

Colosseum is in the same region as XD. It takes place a couple of years before Gale of Darkness, and events and such in Colosseum are referenced and implied throughout Gale of Darkness. Like the difference between Pokemon Black and Black 2.

I get that, I'm just saying it would seem by all accounts that despite the similarities, the two games and how they are played seem as different as the standard handheld games are compared to...Pokemon Pinball, for instance. An RPG and a pseudo-RPG are not the same. Them advancing the ideas of Colosseum into something like Gale of Darkness was a great idea, but they never seem to have had the initiative to do that on any other console games so far. If they can make a Zelda spinoff like Hyrule Warriors, surely someone can make a Gale of Darkness style game for the Wii U.