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Offline Zaer DarkwailTopic starter

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #275 on: December 10, 2014, 03:17:14 PM »
Looks good folks, albeit lockepick do take note that even as paragon creatures humans do not live several millenia :P. So you may want take another cohort or rule that the diviner human wizard is great-great-great grandson of the man who served you.

Offline Snake

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #276 on: December 10, 2014, 03:33:06 PM »
I'm still working on my char's mythology.

I'm just notsure whatwould fit.

Online Sain

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #277 on: December 10, 2014, 03:36:56 PM »
Why not reincarnation of the same human dude or is that too out of place for D&D mythology?

Offline Snake

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #278 on: December 10, 2014, 03:38:38 PM »
not really. Just contingency + reincarnation + Permanency

Offline indarkestknight

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #279 on: December 10, 2014, 04:07:45 PM »
Though seeking out the paragon petitioner he'll have become and having him not remember her might be quite poignant, too.

Offline Snake

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #280 on: December 10, 2014, 05:00:50 PM »
Well here's mine: slightly incomplete as I don't have skills done and the like and I need to calculate HP

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=1072762

Offline Lockepick

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #281 on: December 10, 2014, 05:56:35 PM »
Looks good folks, albeit lockepick do take note that even as paragon creatures humans do not live several millenia :P. So you may want take another cohort or rule that the diviner human wizard is great-great-great grandson of the man who served you.

Ah, sorry if this wasn't clear. My idea here was the cohort was somebody I found AFTER being awoken. Though I guess I don't know how long we've been 'active.' Are we waking up like... in the beginning of the game?

Offline Zaer DarkwailTopic starter

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #282 on: December 10, 2014, 06:37:41 PM »
Waking up in beginning of the game.

Offline Lockepick

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #283 on: December 10, 2014, 07:36:51 PM »
My apologies for making an assumption!

I've updated the Cohort section accordingly.

Offline Kunoichi

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #284 on: December 10, 2014, 11:56:21 PM »
Ah, that's good to know.  That means that I can have the Sea Witch go through the little checklist she's been making of things she wants to do when she wakes up.  The first item on the list is going back to her island and kicking off any squatters who might have moved in over the ages while she was sealed away, and the second item is tracking down an active Tarrasque. ;D

Offline indarkestknight

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #285 on: December 11, 2014, 12:40:55 AM »
... Now I'm imagining the lot of us up against a paragon gestalt tarrasque.

Offline Kunoichi

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #286 on: December 11, 2014, 12:57:14 AM »
I just want to fight a regular one, myself.  I have plans for it. ^^

Offline indarkestknight

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #287 on: December 11, 2014, 01:02:28 AM »
You could probably just get a normal one to follow you around like a lovesick puppy. I mean. Cha 50. Dang.

Offline Kunoichi

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #288 on: December 11, 2014, 01:15:43 AM »
That is a higher Charisma score than most official stats for D&D goddesses, yes.  In fact, I think the only one who can even manage to equal it is Sune, and she's literally a greater deity whose portfolio includes Beauty.

But no, my plans for the Tarrasque run along a different bent.  It's one that's altogether much more silly, but that will probably be more fun in the long run. :P
« Last Edit: December 11, 2014, 01:17:52 AM by Kunoichi »

Offline indarkestknight

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #289 on: December 11, 2014, 08:10:46 AM »
As far as monster feats go, I think some feats are from HD, some are bonus feats.

I'll use the erinyes as an example. She has Dodge and Mobility marked as bonus feats, so I'd think that every erinyes gets dodge and mobility automatically, and while the default erinyes may have point blank shot and other ranged feats, some might have weapon focus (longsword) instead.

Something like that.

Zaer, how do you rule turning/day for a cleric/paladin? 3+Cha? or 6+(2xCha)?

Offline Zaer DarkwailTopic starter

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #290 on: December 11, 2014, 08:41:23 AM »
Yeah, monsters which have feats listed with (b) are bonus feats related to said monster (or template as vampire gets bunch of bonus feats unless char already got them).

Also turning/rebuking is 3+Cha mod per day, why it would be 6+Cha mod?

Anyways, I allow slight freedom with epic feats; the bonus feat gained as paragon can be epic feat (not that you must take epic feats but there are some nice ones which you can qualify as 12 HD paragons). I saw dragon wildshape with one applicants so thought mention it. But otherwise you do not get epic feats besides one via template.

Also check epic skill checks as with +50 Cha mod along with high skill checks you can make people follow like puppies with just diplomacy check. Or draw attention of gods (besides overgod Ao).

Offline indarkestknight

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #291 on: December 11, 2014, 08:48:18 AM »
I meant if a character was both a paladin and a cleric, would they gain turning for both classes (3+Cha for cleric, then 3+Cha again for paladin), or do they only get 3+Cha for both combined?

I would note, Zaer, that the example Paragon creature (a paragon mindflayer) in ELH has multiple epic feats, not just one. Though I don't see how anyone could qualify for Dragon Wildshape, given it requires 30 ranks in Knowledge (nature)...

Well, 50 Cha only nets you a +20 mod, but it's still mind-blowingly hot, even among archdevils, demon lords, and deities.

Offline Lockepick

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #292 on: December 11, 2014, 08:55:08 AM »
I was under the impression that being a Paragon qualified one for Epic Feats on it's own. Is that not true?

Offline indarkestknight

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #293 on: December 11, 2014, 09:00:26 AM »
I figured that was the case based on the Paragon Mindflayer, myself, so you aren't alone, lockepick.

Online Sain

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #294 on: December 11, 2014, 09:22:33 AM »
I should have gone some other route and optimized balance checks, walking on clouds with nothing but skill check is just too awesome.

Btw, is that tarrasque going to be put under the island and made into some sort of moving turtle island?

e. I need to know if that "infinite xp" for crafting applies to using powers and spells with XP cost prior to the game start. Was thinking of getting some stuff permanent with Incarnate and then getting rid of those useless spells with Psychic Reformation.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2014, 09:42:46 AM by Sain »

Offline Zaer DarkwailTopic starter

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #295 on: December 11, 2014, 10:01:08 AM »
Ah, well true. Paragon mind flayer has multiple epic feats. So ok, epic feats are allowed picked with your HD if you qualify for them otherwise (basically able pick epic feats despite your not past 20 HD yet).

Anyways if having both paladin and cleric then you have separated 3+cha mod turn/rebuke checks (as paladin has less turning power than cleric does). So if have turning/rebuke using feats you got 6+2xCha Mod amount rebukes to make.

I need to know if that "infinite xp" for crafting applies to using powers and spells with XP cost prior to the game start. Was thinking of getting some stuff permanent with Incarnate and then getting rid of those useless spells with Psychic Reformation.

It's allowed. You got 25% benefit in gp wise if crafting stuff which asks gp (50% if got 3 or more craft feats). Cohort as mentioned before does not craft stuff for you (only for itself) char gen wise.

Online Sain

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #296 on: December 11, 2014, 10:12:09 AM »
For general decency and public morale I'll refrain from even asking about grabbing a bunch of item creation feats and doing away with them by using psychic reformation. I'd count it as ok in actual play, but seems somewhat cheap in char gen if its only to grab some puny sum of gold.

Offline Kunoichi

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #297 on: December 11, 2014, 01:55:38 PM »
Well, 50 Cha only nets you a +20 mod, but it's still mind-blowingly hot, even among archdevils, demon lords, and deities.

I'm up to a +23 modifier with a +6 Charisma item, actually. ^^; +15 ranks, +10 competence bonus, +3 from the Skill Focus (Diplomacy) feat, +4 in synergy from having ranks in Bluff and Sense Motive...

...Another +23 from the Motivate Charisma minor aura...

Long story short, I can turn someone from Hostile to Helpful with just a word, and if they were already at least Friendly towards me, I can turn them into Fanatics with, again, just a word. ;D Of course, once I've made one attempt to change an NPC's attitude towards me, I wouldn't be able to change their attitude again without doing something significantly positive for them, so I won't be able to just repeatedly mind-whammy hostile foes until they're ready to die for me.

I'll have to at the very least have sex with them, first. :P

Offline Snake

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #298 on: December 11, 2014, 02:33:03 PM »
I used Dragon Wildshape because the Vampire Lord template grants Wildshape as a level 12 druid (Plus paragon mods?) so Masako qualifies to use Dragon Wildshape.  I just wish I could use a huge dragon instead of just a medium one. (by the RAW)

Offline Kunoichi

Re: Interest Check: Legendary Monsters (3.5 DnD)
« Reply #299 on: December 11, 2014, 03:04:59 PM »
True, your native stats are probably going to be a lot better than any dragon you'd be capable of turning into at this level.  I'd recommend looking for dragon forms with relevant immunities and useful extraordinary and supernatural abilities.  Song Dragons and Deep Dragons (both in Monsters of Faerun) both have always-on True Seeing, for example.  Also, I believe the Pyroclastic Dragon from the Draconomicon has a disintegrating breath weapon, which would at least be useful for utility purposes.