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Offline MathimTopic starter

Re: The Gauntlet Has Been Thrown: The Future of Superhero Movies
« Reply #2650 on: July 24, 2016, 04:10:26 PM »
I like the new Doctor Strange trailer, definitely doesn't look too much like any of the others they've done yet, in terms of the hero literally starting at the bottom and having to work his way to the top. All of them have either an enhancement or tech upgrade to give them their powers instantaneously, so Strange has a more arduous origin. And it looks like Mordo might not be a bad guy (yet). Also Wong is far more assertive than I would have expected, which is good because having him being a manservant type guy that is one of the few Asian representative characters in the MCU would be uncomfortable.

And I'm definitely looking forward to Agents of SHIELD season 4. The last two seasons have revolved around Inhumans, so it's a great opportunity for them to be bringing in the supernatural instead of the cosmic for a change, especially with the timing coinciding pretty close with Doctor Strange's premiere. If this new Ghost Rider gets positive feedback, maybe the more hardcore Johnny Blaze version will be appearing on Netflix.

I did like the Justice League trailer, if only because it actually went out of its way to show it was going to have a sense of humor. I mean, that's pretty much one of the biggest complaints about Man of Steel and Batman V Superman, the constantly dark and humorless tone. Don't know if that'll be enough to get the results they want and turn things around when they're in such a precarious place with the franchise but if Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman both tank, it may not matter.

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« Reply #2651 on: July 24, 2016, 11:23:11 PM »
I'm having a Nerdgasm! The Wonder Woman Trailer is out ... screw Marvel ... DC is better.
I fell off the superhero movie wagon around 2013, have had very low expectations when it comes to DC and especially Wonder Woman, saw the trailer by accident rather than any vested interest. But, this looks cool! It gives some hope that female superhero movies could still become a thing. We've had some truly terrible ones.

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Re: The Gauntlet Has Been Thrown: The Future of Superhero Movies
« Reply #2652 on: July 25, 2016, 12:22:30 AM »
Apparently on Arrow, Star City's new District Attorney is also a vigilante. The Vigilante character from Justice League. They've added Artemis to team Arrow as a new archer.

Brie Larson is officially confirmed as playing Captain marvel.

Sylvester Stallone's character in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 has been confirmed as being someone who is part of the Nova Corps.

Kurt Russell's role has apparently been revealed as being the living planet known as Ego.

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« Reply #2653 on: July 25, 2016, 12:23:33 AM »


Kurt Russell's role has apparently been revealed as being the living planet known as Ego.

Okay. So I didn't see that coming.

But I love it. Though how a living planet has a kid with a human woman, I have no idea.
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« Reply #2654 on: July 25, 2016, 12:28:55 AM »
Apparently, Kurt Russell isn't playing Peter Quill/Starlord's father. James Gunn stated that he technically isn't following the characters original origins. Quill's father is going to be someone named Jason Spartax. Though, movie producers/directors, etc have been known to throw out misinformation.

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« Reply #2655 on: July 25, 2016, 12:32:21 AM »
Apparently, Kurt Russell isn't playing Peter Quill/Starlord's father. James Gunn stated that he technically isn't following the characters original origins. Quill's father is going to be someone named Jason Spartax. Though, movie producers/directors, etc have been known to throw out misinformation.

That's what I've been reading though. Supposedly Ego can make 'drones' with his consciousness in them, and one of these was the man who fathered Peter.

http://www.newsarama.com/30349-star-lord-s-father-confirmed.html

It's about as different from his canonical origins as you can get, so Gunn wasn't lying there. Still baffling as a choice, though.

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« Reply #2656 on: July 25, 2016, 12:36:53 AM »
Some of the marvel producers have been quoted as saying that they cherry pick elements from the various parallel Earth's to create something new.

According to some of the details, Ego was at one time at odds with the Nova Corps, which could be where Sylvester Stallone's character comes in. Any odds that there will be Tango and Cash comments? And, Ego was used as a base for the Nova Corps.

They released the first trailer for Marvel's X-men related show, Legion. Looks interesting.

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« Reply #2657 on: July 25, 2016, 02:31:12 AM »
The trailer of Legends looked interesting, mostly because of the new logo\splash sequence. They've added in Hourman's logo, which is hardly news, but there is also a star logo so I'm guessing either Jonah or Stargirl join the team full time.
... or of course the star logo could be for Citizen Steel who was announced as a regular ages ago and has a big ole star of the front of his uniform.

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« Reply #2658 on: July 25, 2016, 08:18:29 AM »
Apparently on Arrow, Star City's new District Attorney is also a vigilante. The Vigilante character from Justice League. They've added Artemis to team Arrow as a new archer.

Brie Larson is officially confirmed as playing Captain marvel.

Sylvester Stallone's character in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 has been confirmed as being someone who is part of the Nova Corps.


Kurt Russell's role has apparently been revealed as being the living planet known as Ego.

Ooh! Richard Rider, I hope! I want at least one of the Nova guys to actually have the armor from the comics that lets them be "Iron Man in Space".

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« Reply #2659 on: July 25, 2016, 03:14:15 PM »
So once Stallone will be playing a member of the Nova Corps?

Once again he shall be



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« Reply #2660 on: July 25, 2016, 10:33:39 PM »
But with a cooler helmet. And laser gauntlets. And supersonic flight.

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Re: The Gauntlet Has Been Thrown: The Future of Superhero Movies
« Reply #2661 on: July 25, 2016, 11:53:40 PM »
Apparently it has been revealed that there is a sixth key role in the Doctor Strange movie. Benjamin Bratt was revealed to be cast, but they are keeping his role top secret.

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« Reply #2662 on: July 26, 2016, 08:37:54 AM »
Apparently it has been revealed that there is a sixth key role in the Doctor Strange movie. Benjamin Bratt was revealed to be cast, but they are keeping his role top secret.

That sounds more like a porn actor's stage name...but I'm glad they're keeping some stuff secret. Both Suicide Squad and BvS look like they've almost completely spoilered everything in their trailers.

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« Reply #2663 on: July 26, 2016, 09:33:42 AM »
Bratt was the male lead opposite Halle Berry in Catwoman, so not a porn name.

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Re: The Gauntlet Has Been Thrown: The Future of Superhero Movies
« Reply #2664 on: July 26, 2016, 10:27:42 AM »
That sounds more like a porn actor's stage name...but I'm glad they're keeping some stuff secret. Both Suicide Squad and BvS look like they've almost completely spoilered everything in their trailers.
By spoilered do you mean they've artfully crafted a trailer that doesn't ruin any surprise, or do you mean they spoil everything?

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« Reply #2665 on: July 26, 2016, 11:19:39 AM »
By spoilered do you mean they've artfully crafted a trailer that doesn't ruin any surprise, or do you mean they spoil everything?

I think spoiler is a pretty commonly defined and understood term so I will politely simply answer that it is the latter, in the case of BvS. The former pertains more to something like Doctor Strange.

Doctor Strange didn't show its entire hand before the movie even premiered (yet, there might be some of that in a third trailer between now and November), unlike BvS. Thanks to the volume of information spewed forth by BvS' abundant trailers and other promotional material, we knew Lex was responsible for (and that there would be) Doomsday and that it would bring the heroes together even after having been fighting each other thus neatly resolving the conflict between them and fulfilling the 'Dawn of Justice' subtitle; Wonder Woman was unable to remain a pleasant surprise; that they were hinting at a conflict with Apokolips/Darkseid (instead of doing something like the Avengers where Thanos was relegated to a post-credits scene only); that Kryptonite was going to be the means by which Batman was going to tangle with Superman on an even footing; that Batman was now an unfeeling murderer (not so much a spoiler as a sign of something very, very wrong with many people's favorite character); and hinting that Lex knew everyone's secret identities from the very beginning (though HOW he figured all that out never actually got explained, so it was even worse seeing it in the actual movie.) The movie blew its entire wad far in advance and the end product didn't even seem to tie it all together in a pleasant, enjoyable way. Who knows, maybe if they'd at least left a little bit of it up to people's imaginations, their expectations might have been different and would have led them to be a little less critical about it. But I doubt it, if only in this particular case.

Doctor Strange, at the very least, has some mystery to it even after two trailers have dropped. Baron Mordo is way, WAY different than in the comics, which is a huge twist that renders his role highly unpredictable (although he does seem to be on Strange's side, more like a friend than even a rival at this point; the possibility for them never becoming enemies is not even out of the question). The villain is (at least to me) an unknown, nor can I predict which of the many malevolent otherworldly entities which he might serve or what their particular intention is. The full extent of Strange's powers is still unknown, as are those of his allies (and enemies), and how any or all of the shown relations will change in the end. Also now that Marvel is basically opening the floodgates to their supernatural realms, the ramifications this will have for the rest of the universe, both the ABC networks shows, the Netflix shows, and other films, is subject to big (but still somewhat unpredictable) change.

Almost none of that is left to the imagination in BvS, just by comparison. So I would say that the approach they took with the trailers for that, at least, was a pretty poor idea. As long as the trailers aren't entirely misleading, it's fine, and expected, to leave some things to speculate about. Telling us the story in its entirety in the span of a two-minute trailer, on the other hand, is a total shit idea and any movie would do well to avoid that even if the story is basically an archetypal formula. As long as important specifics are avoided, it can still feel fresh and intriguing. Much as I hate to admit it, even Fant4stic didn't make those mistakes in their trailers.

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Re: The Gauntlet Has Been Thrown: The Future of Superhero Movies
« Reply #2666 on: July 26, 2016, 11:30:23 AM »
I think spoiler is a pretty commonly defined and understood term so I will politely simply answer that it is the latter, in the case of BvS. The former pertains more to something like Doctor Strange.
I only ask because spoilered kind of suffers from not being a word, and I've seen people use it as a way of indicating that they've spoiler-tagged something.

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« Reply #2667 on: July 26, 2016, 12:04:03 PM »
Honestly, I'd say Suicide Squad has been remarkably light on the plot details. We know that there is a team of very bad people being forced to work for the government, who will be disavowed if they screw up or get caught. That's not a plot, that's a premise. Something undefined goes wrong, there is lots of out-of-context fighting and witty banter between the squad members. Joker is involved somehow despite not being on the squad. There's a big glowy ring of doom that is where the final boss fight happens.

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« Reply #2668 on: July 26, 2016, 02:28:57 PM »
Honestly, I'd say Suicide Squad has been remarkably light on the plot details. We know that there is a team of very bad people being forced to work for the government, who will be disavowed if they screw up or get caught. That's not a plot, that's a premise. Something undefined goes wrong, there is lots of out-of-context fighting and witty banter between the squad members. Joker is involved somehow despite not being on the squad. There's a big glowy ring of doom that is where the final boss fight happens.

Well, if this is a spoiler, I'll hide it, but a lot of chatter has been speculating that
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one of the Squad, the Enchantress, is actually the real villain and is responsible for everything happening that they need to stop, i.e. those clay golems and tentacles.
A few things are still left ambiguous, like how much exactly the Joker is involved with the team and/or the real conflict, and his interaction with Batman (since it looks like he's got Bruce chained up there and is planning to torture him; I could be wrong but it looked a hell of a lot like Batfleck there, even if he's only seen partly from the back.) I will say this: With the exception of Katana and Rick Flagg, most of the rest of the squad is pretty much getting a decent amount of introduction in the trailers. They have a huge cast of people to introduce and flesh out which is usually a pretty big challenge. Guardians of the Galaxy had a similar situation but since one of them (Groot) doesn't require much since he doesn't really 'talk', there were really only four heroes to expand upon. Suicide Squad, though, has at least half a dozen. I'm not that familiar with the director so I'm hoping he's at least as good as the Russo brothers in directing very large casts, since they did such an excellent job with Civil War and having 12 different heroes scurrying about.

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« Reply #2669 on: July 26, 2016, 02:37:18 PM »
Sure, but I'd say a trailer giving us a solid introduction to our cast is a good thing, especially when it's an ensemble of C-listers like this. Enchantress is involved somehow, but the trailers themselves are ambiguous on that front.

And yeah, that is almost certainly Batfleck, though what role he plays is also unknown. Either way, SS is still a hell of a long way ahead of BvS in 'not giving away the entire story through its trailers', which is what sparked my comment.

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« Reply #2670 on: July 26, 2016, 02:58:09 PM »
Sure, but I'd say a trailer giving us a solid introduction to our cast is a good thing, especially when it's an ensemble of C-listers like this. Enchantress is involved somehow, but the trailers themselves are ambiguous on that front.

And yeah, that is almost certainly Batfleck, though what role he plays is also unknown. Either way, SS is still a hell of a long way ahead of BvS in 'not giving away the entire story through its trailers', which is what sparked my comment.

That is true, and DC needs to take that as a lesson that sometimes, less is more. They have a really hard time figuring out what doesn't work, and Marvel learns this stuff REAL quick whenever they make a flub. Hopefully this will be the end of DC failing to adapt to the popular consensus of what makes a good movie and what will make them money.

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« Reply #2671 on: July 27, 2016, 02:23:57 AM »
Just read an interesting summary of the Dr Strange trailer

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Yes, it does remind you of Inception. And yes, it does remind you of every other Marvel movie: difficult lead character learns to be a superhero, bad guy threatens to destroy the world, difficult lead character defeats bad guy despite only just having learnt to be a superhero, massive special effects-filled finale, the end. BUT! This is Benedict Cumberbatch we’re talking about, and Mads Mikkelsen as the bad guy, so let’s be honest, you’re going to watch this movie. Seriously, you might as well face it..

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« Reply #2672 on: July 27, 2016, 08:52:28 AM »
Just read an interesting summary of the Dr Strange trailer

Sounds about right, albeit oversimplified. Who made the summary? Just curious if it's anyone who has a youtube channel or something. What I want to know that I can't determine it where in the MCU timeline it fits. Is it prior to The Winter Soldier, which would have given Sitwell a reason to rattle off Strange's name when interrogated, or was that that biggest coincidence ever when he just happened to say that name right after Bruce Banner, and Strange had not yet even made his trip to Tibet?

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Re: The Gauntlet Has Been Thrown: The Future of Superhero Movies
« Reply #2673 on: July 27, 2016, 10:10:22 AM »
Sounds about right, albeit oversimplified. Who made the summary? Just curious if it's anyone who has a youtube channel or something. What I want to know that I can't determine it where in the MCU timeline it fits. Is it prior to The Winter Soldier, which would have given Sitwell a reason to rattle off Strange's name when interrogated, or was that that biggest coincidence ever when he just happened to say that name right after Bruce Banner, and Strange had not yet even made his trip to Tibet?
Is it possible that Steven Strange was just Sorcerer at the time, that his learnin's in Tibet are what justify the Supreme part of his title?* If so, at the time of CA:WS, he was probably on SHIELD's and Hydra's radar because he was traveling the globe doing his Sorcerer thing, picking up random relics and lore like the Red Skull was doing 70 years earlier. And, of course, unexplainable things were coincidentally happening in his vicinity, almost as if by magic.




*You know, kind of like nachos. If you order nachos, you get chips and cheese, maybe some seasoned meat and peppers. But if you order nachos supreme, you get the sour cream and tomatoes and maybe the guac, too. (So, Tibet is sort of like the sour cream of the mystical world? Who knew ??? )

Quick follow-up
Ben Kingsley wasn't "actually" the Mikado, right? Does that mean he was really Robert Redford or Powers Boothe or one of the others?

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« Reply #2674 on: July 27, 2016, 12:15:38 PM »
Is it possible that Steven Strange was just Sorcerer at the time, that his learnin's in Tibet are what justify the Supreme part of his title?* If so, at the time of CA:WS, he was probably on SHIELD's and Hydra's radar because he was traveling the globe doing his Sorcerer thing, picking up random relics and lore like the Red Skull was doing 70 years earlier. And, of course, unexplainable things were coincidentally happening in his vicinity, almost as if by magic.




*You know, kind of like nachos. If you order nachos, you get chips and cheese, maybe some seasoned meat and peppers. But if you order nachos supreme, you get the sour cream and tomatoes and maybe the guac, too. (So, Tibet is sort of like the sour cream of the mystical world? Who knew ??? )

Quick follow-up
Ben Kingsley wasn't "actually" the Mikado, right? Does that mean he was really Robert Redford or Powers Boothe or one of the others?

I just assumed that it was pretty likely it would have to have taken place before the big HYDRA reveal, even if he was only in the early stages of his training. I just kind of wanted to know if that equates to months or years and how many if the latter.