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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #900 on: May 12, 2015, 03:49:06 AM »
After the British elections, three major party leaders stepped down immediately, their movements having been badly beaten. Nigel Farage of UKIP, however, arose on the third day - as they facetiously stated it at a blog I'm sometimes reading.
They got 12% of the vote, he has nothing to be ashamed of. The vote system of first past, no preferences counted works against minor parties. Mathematically, it's worked out that Ukip would need an base of 3 million votes to get a seat while the Conservatives would need 25 thousand to win a seat. That gap is insane and proves the system flawed.

Libs and Labor got hammered but Ukip can be proud of itself. It did very well.

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #901 on: May 12, 2015, 03:53:20 AM »
There's been a major aftershock earthquake in Nepal, not that much weaker than the big one two weeks ago (estimated strength 7.1 Richter against 7.8 for the earlier quake; the scale is logarithmic).  :-(

Heard it too :( 7.4

Hope we'll get some emergency aid out there soon.

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #902 on: May 12, 2015, 08:22:09 AM »
Heard it too :( 7.4

Hope we'll get some emergency aid out there soon.

I hope so too. I feel terrible, for the people there. :-(

It seems there's many earthquakes, and volcano eruptions too, of late. Does something connect them all, does anyone know?

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #903 on: May 12, 2015, 08:44:26 AM »
 Earth is a big and very fickle thing structurally. Stuff like this is literally inevitable near fault lines - pressure will build up whether we like it or not, and the longer any particular plate or line goes without a quake, or volcano goes without an eruption, the bigger and more destructive it will be when it hits. But that 'inevitability' is on a geologic time scale, measured in hundreds or thousands of years, so it's further than we can realistically comprehend in most cases.

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #904 on: May 12, 2015, 08:51:15 AM »
A 13-year old boy in Hamilton, Ontario became irate after his father took away his Playstation 4. The boy responded by smashing property outside with a hammer and baseball bat and had been previously locked out due to his parents fearing him. The boy was arrested and charged.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/police-called-as-playstation-4-tantrum-leads-to-out-of-control-son-1.3069593

If only this boy could have found an age-appropriate roleplaying site as a new hobby rather than going ballistic over a gaming system. *sigh*

Oh god if I did that my father would have smashed by face in with his fists, Being a girl did not save me from a can of whoop ass XD

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #905 on: May 12, 2015, 09:50:36 AM »
in an interesting memo that came out last week, and I heard about over the radio while coming home from work... I love NPR for things like this.
Apparently some senate committee dealing with the CIA has published an expense report with some funny expenses.

The thing I remember from the report is that between 2002-2013 the CIA has spent 7.8 million on erection pills... when asked why the official response stated. "medicine to cause and maintain erections is in high demand across much of the middle east and east africa. Tribal warlords or elders usually have more than enough money, nice residences, and plenty of weapons. As such the agency has occasionally paid them for their assistance in the form of medical supplies they can't get access to in their own local market. This is more often than not in the form of erectile assistance. Which is banned by local religious leaders who believe it leads to promiscuity."

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #906 on: May 12, 2015, 09:54:03 AM »
in an interesting memo that came out last week, and I heard about over the radio while coming home from work... I love NPR for things like this.
Apparently some senate committee dealing with the CIA has published an expense report with some funny expenses.

The thing I remember from the report is that between 2002-2013 the CIA has spent 7.8 million on erection pills... when asked why the official response stated. "medicine to cause and maintain erections is in high demand across much of the middle east and east africa. Tribal warlords or elders usually have more than enough money, nice residences, and plenty of weapons. As such the agency has occasionally paid them for their assistance in the form of medical supplies they can't get access to in their own local market. This is more often than not in the form of erectile assistance. Which is banned by local religious leaders who believe it leads to promiscuity."

This says so much about them oh god I cant stop laughing.

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #907 on: May 12, 2015, 10:01:50 AM »
I had the image in my head of a propaganda poster with the stereotypical tribal warlord in a white robe with a harem of pretty girls behind him half his age, a big bottle of pills, a big smile, and a thumb's up under it is a slogan "praise alah, I can now satisfy all my wives, Thanks America!"

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #908 on: May 13, 2015, 08:37:44 AM »
A female sports reporter in Canada confronted men who shouted obscene things at her while she was interviewing people:

http://www.citynews.ca/2015/05/11/shauna-hunt-confronts-men-who-bombarded-her-with-vulgarity/?show_id=127513

I really can't understand men who behave like that...

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #909 on: May 13, 2015, 08:47:13 AM »
A female sports reporter in Canada confronted men who shouted obscene things at her while she was interviewing people:

http://www.citynews.ca/2015/05/11/shauna-hunt-confronts-men-who-bombarded-her-with-vulgarity/?show_id=127513

I really can't understand men who behave like that...
Neither can I, but it looks like at least one of those guys has suffered some serious consequences for his behaviour and lost his job over this episode: http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/hydro-one-employee-fired-after-fhritp-heckling-of-citynews-reporter-shauna-hunt-1.3070948

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #910 on: May 13, 2015, 09:00:33 AM »
Neither can I, but it looks like at least one of those guys has suffered some serious consequences for his behaviour and lost his job over this episode: http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/hydro-one-employee-fired-after-fhritp-heckling-of-citynews-reporter-shauna-hunt-1.3070948

You know, I'm not actually sure if it's okay that he got fired. I'm absolutely not defending his stupid and appalling behaviour (kudos to the reporter for confronting these guys), but his job had nothing to do with this situation - he was an engineer. So, basically, he got fired, because his employers found his out-of-job, private life behaviour unacceptable... and I find this kind of dodgy.

I mean, let's say an employers of some Elli member learns they are posting here and fires them, on the grounds that Elli is a lewd site and that such lewd behaviour of employees cannot be tolerated..?

Offline Avis habilis

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #911 on: May 13, 2015, 09:05:16 AM »
Don't try to pretend there's anything like an equivalence between participating in consensual racy writing online & harassing people in the street with unsolicited sexualized language.

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #912 on: May 13, 2015, 09:09:34 AM »
Not saying that these two things are equivalent... just that both of these things aren't worked-related. I don't think people should be punished by their employers because of things they do in their own free time and that have no bearing on their jobs. It feels... disturbingly moralistic to me.

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #913 on: May 13, 2015, 09:20:08 AM »
"Moralistic" my eye.

Quote from: http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/hydro-one-employee-fired-after-fhritp-heckling-of-citynews-reporter-shauna-hunt-1.3070948
Simoes is shown in the video using an expletive and calling his friend's use of FHTIP hilarious before telling the reporter she is lucky they didn't have a vibrator.

How long would anybody last at their job if they were caught on tape making sexualized threats in public? (Let's take the standard issue "oh, but he was just kidding around" bullshit as stipulated.)

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #914 on: May 13, 2015, 09:28:01 AM »
How long would anybody last at their job if they were caught on tape making sexualized threats in public?

I honestly don't know.

But let's go another example. One of the things I find utterly reprehensible is driving while intoxicated. So, if I'm an employer and I find that, say, my office assistant (who does no driving at work) got a DWI charge in their free time, should I be allowed to fire them? Just because I find their behaviour morally reprehensible?

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #915 on: May 13, 2015, 09:31:02 AM »
According to the article Cass linked, the shouting of threats / obscenities is illegal, just like the drunk driving example.  Moral judgment doesn't need to enter into it in either case.

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #916 on: May 13, 2015, 09:34:02 AM »
There's also no chance of your hypothetical office assistant driving their car drunk through your office, while this misogynist lump of impacted feces may very well be engaging in the same behavior with other women in his workplace.

Or at least there's no reason to think he wouldn't very much like to.

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #917 on: May 13, 2015, 09:43:51 AM »
According to the article Cass linked, the shouting of threats / obscenities is illegal, just like the drunk driving example.  Moral judgment doesn't need to enter into it in either case.

So, you're saying that an employer has the right to fire any employee that breaks any kind of law? Personally, I'm not sure if it should be that way.

There's also no chance of your hypothetical office assistant driving their car drunk through your office, while this misogynist lump of impacted feces may very well be engaging in the same behavior with other women in his workplace.

Or at least there's no reason to think he wouldn't very much like to.

Okay, come on, now you're reaching. If this guy did anything like that in the office, then yes, he should get fired immediately. But you can't assume that he's prone to this kind of behaviour constantly. It was just one instance of lewd behaviour, there's no reason to think that this guy molests women as a habit.

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #918 on: May 13, 2015, 09:49:34 AM »
It was just one instance of lewd behaviour, there's no reason to think that this guy molests women as a habit.

The odds he would just happen to be wandering by video recording equipment the one & only time he's ever been overcome by the urge to seem ... long.

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #919 on: May 13, 2015, 09:55:20 AM »
So, you're saying that an employer has the right to fire any employee that breaks any kind of law? Personally, I'm not sure if it should be that way.
In the U.S., at least, there's no law that says that an employer cannot fire an employee because they have been convicted of a crime.  Practically speaking, I doubt anyone would get fired for, say, jaywalking (or if the employer would even find out about such a minor offense), but "people who have broken the law" isn't a legally protected class here.

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #920 on: May 13, 2015, 10:01:18 AM »
Or at least there's no reason to think he wouldn't very much like to.
Unless you count in dubio pro reo as a reason.

... this misogynist lump of impacted feces ...
Yeah, guess it's okay to call him that, after what he did. And all the more acceptable as no one here has to actually call him that to his face while insulting him.  ::)


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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #921 on: May 13, 2015, 10:12:41 AM »
So, you're saying that an employer has the right to fire any employee that breaks any kind of law? Personally, I'm not sure if it should be that way.

At a bare minimum, there's going to be a conversation with Human Resources.  The 'drunk driver' example could possibly be mitigated if the employee were willing to go through an alcoholism program.  However, if the employee has to deal with heavy equipment, the employer could rightfully see the possibility that someone who would operate a car while intoxicated might operate a forklift, or passenger train while intoxicated.

As for his excuse that it was part of a trend?  My mother used to have a saying:  If all your friends were jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge, would you do it?

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #922 on: May 13, 2015, 10:20:45 AM »
In all this, perhaps we shouldn't forget that many of us come from different countries with different legislation and somewhat different traditions of empolyer/employee relations. What may be grounds for firing someone in one place might not be in another and even if all countries were equal it could still depend on the individual contract.

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #923 on: May 13, 2015, 10:22:04 AM »

As for his excuse that it was part of a trend?  My mother used to have a saying:  If all your friends were jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge, would you do it?

Though my response to that cliche has always been "Yes. My friends are smart people - if they all simultaneously decide to jump off a bridge, the odds are very good they all know something I don't and being on that bridge is about to become a very bad idea."

Not helpful, but funny.

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #924 on: May 13, 2015, 10:29:35 AM »
Though my response to that cliche has always been "Yes. My friends are smart people - if they all simultaneously decide to jump off a bridge, the odds are very good they all know something I don't and being on that bridge is about to become a very bad idea."

Not helpful, but funny.

In that case (and more specific to this kind of 'trend') - if a hundred people that you know nothing else about jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge, on separate but temporally close occasions, would you do it?

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