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Offline Oniya

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8775 on: June 19, 2018, 02:01:02 PM »
  What do insurance companies need to cover? A broken arm isn't a disorder, yet they need to pay if you have insurance. What is a broken bone? An injury? An ailemnt? Is it just on a finite list of things insurance companies need to cover? Is there an option whereby we can classify gender dysphoria as "something insuarance companies need to cover" that isn't also "something that makes you sound crazy to the layman".

'Chronic condition'? 

Offline LisztesFerenc

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8776 on: June 19, 2018, 02:11:54 PM »
  Maybe. A quick google search and pacificprime.com says insurance companies consider chronic to be something for which there is no cure, but also that a chronic condition which existed prior to getting coverage is considered pre-existing.

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8777 on: June 19, 2018, 02:13:31 PM »
Or a latent disability, perhaps? Classing all sorts of perceived misalignment of gender as a chronic disability would be too blunt, it would risk shutting trans people out of the labour market as soon as they open up about their feelings.

Offline Lustful Bride

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8778 on: June 20, 2018, 07:27:18 PM »
Tentions between Iran and Saudia Arabia continue to simmer as Iran issues threat.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-says-saudi-will-suffer-in-yemen-amid-us-visit/ar-AAyVzBE?ocid=spartandhp



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Re: What's in the news?
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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8780 on: June 20, 2018, 08:28:09 PM »
I have a feeling that this might backfire and get people hurt or killed.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/antifa-shares-names-and-photos-of-1600-ice-employees/ar-AAyVXQ4?ocid=spartandhp

Ughs.  Most days I think there is no hope for humanity.

Offline TheVillain

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8781 on: June 20, 2018, 08:30:32 PM »
The sad part is that it's probably the least horrible option. Historians will flat out tell you that this isn't how the Holocaust started, this was what it was like several steps into the process.

I'm not a fan of it, but 1,600 fascists getting their identities leaked vs millions of innocent people rounded up and killed? I know which I'd pick if I had too.

Offline Quick Ben

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8782 on: June 20, 2018, 09:16:35 PM »
ICE is not the SS.

Detaining illegal immigrants for purposes of deportation does not equal rounding up people for gassings in any way, shape, or form.

Offline Lustful Bride

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8783 on: June 20, 2018, 09:20:40 PM »
The sad part is that it's probably the least horrible option. Historians will flat out tell you that this isn't how the Holocaust started, this was what it was like several steps into the process.

I'm not a fan of it, but 1,600 fascists getting their identities leaked vs millions of innocent people rounded up and killed? I know which I'd pick if I had too.

I'm usually happy to find a reason to insult the current administration and the government in general but i'm afraid I have to disagree. These are people doing their jobs. What do you want them to do? Quit and be unable to provide for their families? I agree these deportations and arrests have been fascistic and taken to an extreme but these officers are in a bad spot, they are screwed either way.

I'm sure some of them are assholes and some are racists or fascists, but its ignorant to go "All of them are bad people and undeserving of any mercy or care".

What happens if they start being killed or injured? Or what if its their families? These aren't neo Nazis, but law enforcement forced to obey harsh orders and made to take them to an extreme.

Offline LisztesFerenc

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8784 on: June 20, 2018, 09:23:30 PM »
I'm usually happy to find a reason to insult the current administration and the government in general but i'm afraid I have to disagree. These are people doing their jobs. What do you want them to do? Quit and be unable to provide for their families?

  If your job involves human rights violations, which seperating child from parents with their consent appears to be, then yes, that is exactly what you are expected to do. Well, ideally quit and find a new job to provide for your family with, but either way, the quitting part is fairly important.

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Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8785 on: June 20, 2018, 09:28:25 PM »
  If your job involves human rights violations, which seperating child from parents with their consent appears to be, then yes, that is exactly what you are expected to do. Well, ideally quit and find a new job to provide for your family with, but either way, the quitting part is fairly important.

When most americans are one emergency away from being homeless (aka living paycheck to paycheck) just up and quitting a job with nothing lined up to go to isn't a viable option.  Expecting them to put their livelihoods on the line like that is just as disgusting as what the government has been forcing them to do.

Offline LisztesFerenc

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8786 on: June 20, 2018, 09:30:34 PM »
When most americans are one emergency away from being homeless (aka living paycheck to paycheck) just up and quitting a job with nothing lined up to go to isn't a viable option.  Expecting them to put their livelihoods on the line like that is just as disgusting as what the government has been forcing them to do.

  So you believe people are allowed to commit human rights violations for a paycheck if they lack the savings to support themselves whilst finding a new job?

Offline LisztesFerenc

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8787 on: June 20, 2018, 09:31:43 PM »
  We rejected the "I was just following orders" excuse. Why is "I needed a paycheck" more acceptable?

Offline TheVillain

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8788 on: June 20, 2018, 09:37:53 PM »
You realize crossing a border without the proper paperwork is only a misdemeanor on par with Jaywalking, right? And that’s if you aren’t claiming political Asylum, then it’s perfectly legal. And by all accounts, they are most certainly NOT just holding them for deportation.

I’m not saying I like it, I’m not even saying they’re Nazis. But they are Fascists if they think they can do these horrible things to people and that “just following orders” is a good excuse.

I’m not saying they’re Nazis, but they and we as a country are definitely on the road to Nazi-Town. That’s not an exaggeration, Trump has already suggested “considering” the 2020 elections. We haven’t gotten to the end of the road but only idiots and the willfully blind don’t see where this is headed.

Offline TheVillain

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8789 on: June 20, 2018, 09:39:36 PM »
*”considering”  [cancelling] the 2020 elections.

Sorry, dropped a word. He really did say that though.

Offline Oniya

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8790 on: June 20, 2018, 10:01:49 PM »
I'd like a source for that.  The closest I've found is a line he dropped during the 2016 elections.

Offline TheVillain

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8791 on: June 20, 2018, 10:12:48 PM »
If we're refering to the same thing, that is what I'm talking about. Unfortunately since then much more recently there's been a poll showing that if he actually did try to "postpone" the 2020 elections over half of registered Republicans would be completely on board.

Which is terrifying in itself, but not what you asked.

What's the old line? "When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the Flag and carrying a Cross"?

Offline Oniya

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8792 on: June 20, 2018, 10:26:04 PM »
Well, in the quote I saw, he was referring to the 2016 election, which hadn't happened yet.

Offline TheVillain

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8793 on: June 20, 2018, 10:26:53 PM »
Then probably not it, but I'll give up a link when I find it.

Offline Oniya

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8794 on: June 21, 2018, 12:51:44 AM »
The thing is, U.S. Code Title 3, Chapter 1, sections 1 and 2 detail the timing of elections.  Trump can't simply say 'No need for an election in 2020.  You already have the best president ever.' 

Offline TheVillain

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8795 on: June 21, 2018, 12:55:44 AM »
On paper, yeah. Doesn’t mean he can’t try. He’s already shown that he doesn’t let things like “the law” and “facts” stop him from trying.

Online TheGlyphstone

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8796 on: June 21, 2018, 01:10:40 AM »
On paper, yeah. Doesn’t mean he can’t try. He’s already shown that he doesn’t let things like “the law” and “facts” stop him from trying.

He's tried a lot of stuff, and repeatedly fails at actually doing it.

Offline RedRose

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8797 on: June 21, 2018, 04:49:15 AM »
ICE is not the SS.

Detaining illegal immigrants for purposes of deportation does not equal rounding up people for gassings in any way, shape, or form.

So agree.
Something can be bad and not be "Nazi".
Something can be needed and still bad - not that I will ever agree to separating children (esp. under teens) from their real family, not speaking of trafficking here!
Whether the left or the right started it, I am against separating children from family.

Offline Shiva

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8798 on: June 21, 2018, 05:46:50 AM »
I'm not a fan of it, but 1,600 fascists getting their identities leaked vs millions of innocent people rounded up and killed? I know which I'd pick if I had too.

What? Where is this coming from? Which millions of innocent people will 'fascists' round up and kill?

Online Avis habilis

Re: What's in the news?
« Reply #8799 on: June 21, 2018, 07:42:54 AM »
We rejected the "I was just following orders" excuse.

Not any more. Now we've got a torturer running the CIA & it's fine because her boss told her it was legal when she did it.