So, you can do it? Bring miniatures from other games to represent something in WH40K?
BTW. What the heck is she standing on?
On another note, I just skimmed through the rulebook. That "Galaxy of War" section... yeah. I definitely want some Daemons and Dark Eldar now
I think there's a rule that 90% of your army has to be GW miniatures if you want to play at an official Games Workshop. I don't play at an official Games Workshop, and I hardly play anyways - I find painting more interesting, really - so, yeah.
She's standing on the rest of her cloak - these Cygnar, all so crazy.
I personally have developed a certain distaste for the setting. I'll admit the space marines are kind of awesome and I have a bit of fondness for the Eldar, but it feels like they go way out of their way to make everyone dislikable. I honestly I find the orks more sympathetic than most because they're simply an organism following their nature. The empire is an oppressive autcracy that worships a mere mortal and is violently xenophobic and intolerant. The Tau don't seem too bad until you learn they're also imperialists and favor a stiflingly rigid society as well. The chaos are omnicidal whack jobs and I don't like the idea that chaos is inherently bad. The Eldar at least aren't engaging in genocide and seem to be some of the least imperialistic and worship Deities that are neither omnicidal or mere mortals, but they created Slaanesh through sheer decadence. Then there's the orks. They may simply be organisms doing what they do but they are so entirely focused on war it's absurd. What irks me most is how the setting seemingly plays up the authoritarian, repressive empire as some kind of hero in all of this. They are the people I would want to fight against, screw the lore. Then there's the cultures the varying marine groups come from. They say so little about them that it disappoints me. Then there's the simple fact that the whole set up is so depressingly hopeless. There's a different between "dark" and simply soul crushing, nihilistic hopelessness.
When I first started learning about the setting I was intrigued and then came to develop a certain sense of disappointment as I learned more. The fantasy setting is far more tolerable for me. 40,000k has some interesting ideas, but the above mentioned aspects make it hard for me to get into it.
Sorry if that came across as overly vitriolic, but that's my thought on the setting.
I think you're mistaking the Imperium's situation - they're not xenophobic by choice, they're xenophobic by necessity. The whole point of the setting is that the difficulties that the Imperium faces requires the institution of such a monolithic, religious bureaucracy to manage such a massive empire - and the oppression that follows from such a system is a lesser evil in comparison to falling wholesale to Chaos or being overrun by Orks, or Tyranids, or the next flavour of the week faction. You don't have to make the conniving bureaucrat or the corrupt cardinal the 'hero' of the Imperium - after all, there plenty of sympathetic characters who try to make the most of their situation, struggling both against the Imperium's enemies as well as the state apparatus.
I don't understand why Chaos shouldn't be inherently bad. They're modeled after Hell. Except it's in space. So it's inherently bad.
The Eldar don't engage in genocide - I think you're quite incorrect in that. Eldar don't engage in genocide as a policy because they don't have the resources to engage in territorial expansion or the manpower to run around the galaxy killing civilians. But they've been more than happy to let billions of humans die to save a couple of Eldar lives or artifacts. Also, the gods they worshipped are some of the most fickle and mercurial. It's like if you take the Greek pantheon, and instead of turning you to stone or something, they murder your extended family, rape your sisters and mother, and condemn your soul to be tortured for eternity.
I think the only thing that makes you 'have' to support the authoritarian Imperium is that they're human. But they're not the only human faction, and they're broken up into many different human factions as well, some of which (like the Guard, or the Navy) have very little to do with the genocide, or the fanaticism, or the repression.
How did you in anyway refute my argument? I specifically said that there was humorous elements at the beginning and that they were retconned out because of being too comedic. This included things like the Squats, toning down the Orks, and such. They specifically said that they did this to make the setting serious. Nothing you said proves your point or disproves mine. Mine is backed up by the company who makes the game.
You can see it as black comedy but that is not how it is intended to be.
I think there's room for both dark humour and grimdarkness. GW is pushing both areas, I mean, Caiaphas Cain is still being written, Dawn of War II is full of silly Schwarzenegger references and Monty Python jokes, and so on...but that doesn't mean that some aspects can be dark humour and others be grim dark.