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Offline BeorningTopic starter

Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #225 on: August 29, 2014, 05:11:30 PM »
Hm. You know, I checked some shops online and GW's paints don't seem to be *that* overpriced. Back here, they cost 12 zlotys (around 4 dollars) each. Meanwhile, other paints at hobby shops cost around 8 zlotys...

Of course, when you buy a lot of paints, costs accumulate. I just summed up how much would it cost to buy GW's three paint sets: base, layer and shade paints. The result is nearly 500 zlotys... Coupled with 350 zlotys for Dark Vengeance, it makes the game's entry cost very imposing  :o

I know, I know, I guess there are ways around it...

BTW. I noticed something cool: you can buy stuff at GW's webpage and have it sent to any GW store for free! Cool!

Offline Hemingway

Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #226 on: August 29, 2014, 06:50:54 PM »
You really should find out what your local GW or other hobby store will do for you. Like I said, my local GW lets you sit in their store and use their paint, free ( as long as you brought your own models and brushes ). If they do that, they'll probably have the tools and glue you need for assembly, too. They might even lend you their primer spray, if you ask nicely.

Maybe this varies from place to place - I wouldn't know. Which is why you gotta find out!

The same goes for necessary books. Like I mentioned earlier, the stores I've been to have had store copies of codices for people to flip through. If they do, there's no real reason you have to get it right away. Now, they might have store rules saying you have to bring your own codex if you're going to play in their store. And they might have the same thing for the core rules. Again, I think this varies from place to place, so ask. If having the rules book isn't a requirement, don't buy it right away. Get to know the basics of the rules ( for instance by having the staff give you a quick demonstration of the game ), and then tell people you're going to play against you only know the basics. I've never owned a 40K rules book in my life, but I've still played a few games. ;D

In short: Buy only what you have to. It could be as little as your own models.

Or you might need to get all the stuff yourself. Finding out ahead of time could potentially cut the cost of getting into the game in half, though, so it's worth checking out.

Offline TheGlyphstone

Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #227 on: August 29, 2014, 06:59:30 PM »
Hm. You know, I checked some shops online and GW's paints don't seem to be *that* overpriced. Back here, they cost 12 zlotys (around 4 dollars) each. Meanwhile, other paints at hobby shops cost around 8 zlotys...

Of course, when you buy a lot of paints, costs accumulate. I just summed up how much would it cost to buy GW's three paint sets: base, layer and shade paints. The result is nearly 500 zlotys... Coupled with 350 zlotys for Dark Vengeance, it makes the game's entry cost very imposing  :o

I know, I know, I guess there are ways around it...

BTW. I noticed something cool: you can buy stuff at GW's webpage and have it sent to any GW store for free! Cool!

Presumably you factored in volume, right? GW paint cans are tiny.

Offline BeorningTopic starter

Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #228 on: August 29, 2014, 07:26:38 PM »
You really should find out what your local GW or other hobby store will do for you. Like I said, my local GW lets you sit in their store and use their paint, free ( as long as you brought your own models and brushes ). If they do that, they'll probably have the tools and glue you need for assembly, too. They might even lend you their primer spray, if you ask nicely.

Really? I'll have to ask them, then. Thanks for the idea.

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In short: Buy only what you have to. It could be as little as your own models.

Or you might need to get all the stuff yourself. Finding out ahead of time could potentially cut the cost of getting into the game in half, though, so it's worth checking out.

Noted...

Presumably you factored in volume, right? GW paint cans are tiny.

Well... their bottles are 12ml, right? The other paints I checked come in 15 ml bottles, so... it's not much of a difference. I think? Maybe some exact calculations are in order...

Offline TheGlyphstone

Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #229 on: August 29, 2014, 07:29:47 PM »
No, but it does matter. $4 for 12ml is $6 for 15ml, compared to the $8 for the other brand. So while it is still cheaper, the margin is half as much as you thought it was.

Offline BeorningTopic starter

Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #230 on: August 29, 2014, 07:34:55 PM »
Oh wow. You're right:

GW paint: 12 zl for 12 ml = 1 zl / ml
Non-GW paint: 8 zl for 15 ml = 0,53 zl / ml

Wow. They *are* pricey...

Offline TheGlyphstone

Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #231 on: August 29, 2014, 07:38:38 PM »
That's more like it. I had never seen GW paint for sale cheaper than other hobby brands, so it surprised me a great deal to find yours were cheaper. My faith in GW's overpricing has been restored.

Offline BeorningTopic starter

Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #232 on: August 29, 2014, 07:45:42 PM »
No, no. I must've expressed myself inaccurately. GW paints are sold for 12 zl here. Non-GW paints cost (for example) 8 zl.

And now I looked up another hobby store and I found non-GW paints that, for the same 8 zl, give you *20* mls...

Right. That is some serious food for thought... It looks like I could serious cut my costs, if I went with non-GW paints. The question is: would I be able to find paints that make the miniatures look just as good as GW paints? I'm wondering...

Anyway, it's all academic, unless I find something more important: at least one other person willing to play! I have only one friend at this stage and he's not taking the bite...

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Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #233 on: August 29, 2014, 09:07:42 PM »
The only difference between GW paints and other model paints is the label and the fancy names for the colors.  You might even be able to get a 'beginning artist' set of several tubes of acrylics, a pad of paper, and a brush for an even better price (factoring in volume)  Of that, the only thing that's 'unnecessary' would be the paper, and even that could be used to test your color mixes if you want a color that isn't already in the tubes.

Offline Hemingway

Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #234 on: August 30, 2014, 06:41:48 AM »
Right. That is some serious food for thought... It looks like I could serious cut my costs, if I went with non-GW paints. The question is: would I be able to find paints that make the miniatures look just as good as GW paints? I'm wondering...

Absolutely. It might look different ( i.e. the colors might be a different shade ), but actual quality ... well, that comes down to your skill as a painter. Citadel's equipment and supplies are by no means superior.

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Anyway, it's all academic, unless I find something more important: at least one other person willing to play! I have only one friend at this stage and he's not taking the bite...

Bring your army to Games Workshop, ask if anyone wants to play ( or ask where people play ). Or look around for groups in your ( nearest ) city online. It can be a great way of making new friends.

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Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #235 on: August 30, 2014, 01:23:07 PM »
Or, if you are able to use the GW store to do your painting for cheapies, the simple act of painting miniatures might get you in contact with other local players.  There are two things that experienced painters love to do:  Show off their minis, and explain how they got 'that awesome effect'.  This leads naturally into talking about the game.

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Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #236 on: August 30, 2014, 01:33:34 PM »
Oh, hells to the yes. You may run into some that aren't so generous, but most times, a good painter /loves/ to share techniques and tricks.

I'm generally sorry I can't spend more than a few minutes looking at some of them, when I am at my FLGS - there are a lot of WH players there, and I suspect some, if not all of them, paint their own, and some of them are /very/ impressive. Very pretty. ^^;

Offline BeorningTopic starter

Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #237 on: August 30, 2014, 01:38:31 PM »
Points taken...

Thorne, you mentioned mold residue earlier. Could you explain that issue to me? What's up with the mold?

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Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #238 on: August 30, 2014, 01:41:52 PM »
Regarding 'flash' or 'mold residue' - the plastic or metal that is used to make the miniatures is poured into a two-part die.  Because there's two parts, some of the material seeps into the crack between them.  This creates a line, or sometimes a thin sheet, protruding from the miniature that needs to be cut or filed off.

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Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #239 on: August 30, 2014, 01:49:24 PM »
Ah! That's what this is about!

I thought you were speaking about mold / mould. Fungus.  ;D I kept wondering why would plastic miniatures be moldy...

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Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #240 on: August 30, 2014, 02:00:01 PM »
I suspected it was something like that.  ;D  Darn homophones!

Offline BeorningTopic starter

Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #241 on: August 30, 2014, 02:01:19 PM »
And here I thought that I will have to disinfect the minis, or something :)

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Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #242 on: August 30, 2014, 02:29:02 PM »
As long as no one /sneezes/ all over them, you shouldn't have to actually disinfect them. *snicker* Sorry - if I mean icky mould, I spell it with a u. I should tell people this ... >.>

I /think/ they also put a fine powder on the inside of the mold, to make it easier to take the finished product out, and sometimes you get some of that leftover on the miniature too, and it interferes with primer too. But a little soap and water (regular dish soap works fine) and a soft toothbrush, and it comes right off.
Something else to consider - if you can stick 'em to something (bottle cap? Wine cork? Piece of doweling?) it not only makes it easier to hold them to paint them, but it also helps keep the oils from your skin from mucking with your paint job. Yes, that can happen. It's annoying. :/

Offline BeorningTopic starter

Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #243 on: August 30, 2014, 02:32:12 PM »
Oh, very good idea! But how do you do that? With glue?

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Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #244 on: August 30, 2014, 02:51:48 PM »
If they're plastic, you can just use a sturdy needle/thumbtack and impale them through the bottom of a foot or something. For metal, gluing them to something is the simplest way to go about it.

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Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #245 on: August 30, 2014, 02:59:34 PM »
If they're plastic, you can just use a sturdy needle/thumbtack and impale them through the bottom of a foot or something. For metal, gluing them to something is the simplest way to go about it.
Double-sided tape might work if you don't want to hurt them. I know I've used it to hold larger models in place when I used to do models (little Tomcats and the like).
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Offline BeorningTopic starter

Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #246 on: August 30, 2014, 03:26:04 PM »
Hm. What's a "double-sided tap"?

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« Reply #247 on: August 30, 2014, 03:44:38 PM »
Double-sided tape, minus the letter E.

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« Reply #248 on: August 30, 2014, 03:58:09 PM »
Ah! I see :)

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Re: WH40000 - what's your opinion?
« Reply #249 on: August 30, 2014, 04:15:12 PM »
Or a bit of blue tack.