My biggest impression of athiesim is what I'm often confronted with. Just as Christian fundies make the big impression for doing stupid shit, so to Atheist fundies. The guys who paint graffiti, sue hundreds of towns for the ten commandments being on public property or nearly bankrupting a school for having a picture of jesus in the hall belonging to the religious club. The guys who trash nativity scenes. and so forth.
Of your three examples: One is actually far more widespread against
atheists (and the police often won't take it seriously), one is fighting violations of the Constitution of the United States (and the treatment of atheists and religious minorities
as second-class citizens), and one... well, citation needed, because the only sources I can find are right-wing publications that run on fear.
Maybe you should choose your examples more carefully.
The biggest thing is rather than addressing the issue, they receive tacit support of mainstream athiests. In large part because there is a cultural disconnect. To an Athiest it's just a glass doll, so what's the big issue? So when the local Christian community gets pissed that someone took a baseball bat to the manger the night before Christmas, pro-Atheist political groups respond with the political equivalent of "So what?" rather than addressing the issue.
needed. Please show me one of these "so what" responses.
One of the biggest problems is they talk down, and when you discuss matters of faith with most of the self declared atheists, they respond almost entirely, with a smug sense of superiority and an unwillingness to discuss anything except how wrong religious folk are and how "All religion is bad."
Um, you realise there are atheists right here
, right? In this discussion of matters of faith? Ones who have been very careful to explicitly avoid anything that could be remotely construed as anything like what you're talking about?
Perhaps you need to choose your broad, highly insulting generalizations more carefully as well.
It's not the fanatics, it's the inaction and unwilling to even discuss how they insult religious folk doing these things.
So... there are a number of atheists in or facing jail in numerous places around the world right now just for being atheists. Should I be upset with all religious people for their "inaction" on and "tacit support" of blasphemy laws? Or should I recognize that they're a diverse group that has diverse interests and balances them in a variety of ways, all different from my own?
As for the "insulting" thing... frankly, you read pretty strongly like you assume all atheists are insulting by default. When your opening move is to demand an apology for punching you in the face while you're hitting the other person
, it's small wonder you haven't had a productive discussion.
I think it's interesting someone connected racism and misogyny to atheists when it's practically unheard of to practice those outside of a religious context (in response to the statement you had quoted, BeeJay). In fact only science has proven the ludicrousness of discrimination based on skin color because we're all human no matter how you slice it.
That... would be me, except for the gross misrepresentation part. I merely noted that racist and misogynist atheists exist
, which they inarguably do. I even went on to explicitly state
that a) this was not a blanket condemnation, and b) I am an atheist myself.
As for "practically unheard of"... well, I don't want to derail the thread, but... it's really not. Google "human biodiversity" sometime, if you have a strong tolerance for vile bullshit tailor-made to fit preconceived notions.