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Offline The Great Triangle

Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2008, 11:32:39 AM »
Hugo Chavez was democratically elected, and he's been able to use oil revenues to gradually usurp more and more power in Venezuela, carrying out a bread and circuses social agenda to become president for life, and get more and more of the country's economy under the control of the government.  

He's gradually been becoming more and more agressive in his foreign policy, and his developing alliance with Russia is particularly disturbing.  (not exactly like America hasn't been up to some crazy stuff.  In 2005, Bush attempted to make an alliance with India in exchange for providing them with more advanced nuclear technology, which would enable them to build a large strategic arsenal.  Congress refused to approve the treaty thanks to a fillibuster.)

At any rate, military intervention is highly unlikely, and Chavez needs to keep his approval rating up, so he threatens an embargo he can't possibly engage in.  Nice guy.

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Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2008, 11:57:02 AM »
Are you in the US Oniya? A some of the gas hikes were due to Hurricane Ike, once tehy get the refineries back up and running it will go down some.

Yes, Midwest region.  It'll have to come soon, though.  I'm going to have to dip into funds I was hoping to keep at higher interest just to get through the next month.  On the bright side, I'm not using gas or oil for heat, and you can always pile on more blankets.

Offline The Overlord

Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2008, 11:39:09 PM »
I just love how you Americans handle these things :) if you don't blow it up, just flex your military muscle.


Once again Sabbat, not all Americans..and really not even most...would support doing what Overlord is saying just because someone is running their mouth.


When tensions flare between countries one of the first things any standing president does is ask where the carriers are. We did exactly this when things heated up with China in the year before 9/11 went down. When they rattle their sabers, we divert a carrier battlegroup and sail past and send them a postcard. It's called gunship diplomacy, the British and French used it for years, and it's not always about being a provocation. On the other hand the show of force might convince a potential rival or enemy not to do something rash regarding us. Our military leaders are all versed in Sun Tzu, who said the acme of skill is not fighting and winning a hundred battles, but rather winning a hundred battles without firing a shot.


The simple fact is that most nations would employ it if they could, and it's a bitter pill for some of you to swallow...people hate the US when we do it simply because we can do it. It's all relative.

Offline Sherona

Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2008, 11:50:28 PM »
*smiles* That was before Iraq Over-lord. Since Iraq, I really don'tthink that unnecessary military might showing is going to do anything but have people looking at America like I am sure teh european continent nations looked at Germany in the fourties.."Getting a bit too big for their britches, gonna be dangerous.." type thing.

We would have to really have a good reason...I mean a really good reason with the whole WMD that were never found in Iraq, the ties to Al queda that was never found. *shrugs* I just don't think that the next American president would be so ...reckless wtih our reputation.

Instead of being viewed as Bullies we used to be viewed as a deterrant.

Offline The Overlord

Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2008, 11:53:42 PM »


Instead of being viewed as Bullies we used to be viewed as a deterrant.

Well that I agree is our number one problem these days; the current administration has made us into bullies.


There are times, unfortunately, that we must throw our military weight against something, but Bush has made it the first solution rather than one of the last.

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Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2008, 11:55:06 PM »
I'm tempted to take a poll asking how many people think Mister Bush can even spell Sun Tzu, but it seems much like kicking a kitten whose eyes have not yet opened...

Offline Sherona

Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2008, 11:57:16 PM »
Well that I agree is our number one problem these days; the current administration has made us into bullies.


There are times, unfortunately, that we must throw our military weight against something, but Bush has made it the first solution rather than one of the last.


I can agree with this too. Often times it is important to huff and puff..unfortunately this administration huffed and puffed at SO many countries....and then blew really hard at too many :x ..

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Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2008, 12:03:36 AM »
I can agree with this too. Often times it is important to huff and puff..unfortunately this administration huffed and puffed at SO many countries....and then blew really hard at too many :x ..

That's a good way to hyperventilate. *nods sagely*

Offline The Overlord

Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2008, 08:18:05 AM »
I'm tempted to take a poll asking how many people think Mister Bush can even spell Sun Tzu, but it seems much like kicking a kitten whose eyes have not yet opened...

Hell, he probably tried to order it when he went to China.  :-\


"I'll have some of that General Tso's chicken there, compadre...and while you're at, gimme some Sun Tzu with rice."  (heh heh heh...)

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Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2008, 08:21:04 AM »
Hell, he probably tried to order it when he went to China.  :-\


"I'll have some of that General Tso's chicken there, compadre...and while you're at, gimme some Sun Tzu with rice."  (heh heh heh...)

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Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2008, 09:49:31 AM »
Hell, he probably tried to order it when he went to China.  :-\


"I'll have some of that General Tso's chicken there, compadre...and while you're at, gimme some Sun Tzu with rice."  (heh heh heh...)

*beats head into the wall*  It's sad when I, a 20 year old normal American woman, know more than my own president and respect him less than the idiots that live in my hellhole town.

Offline The Overlord

Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2008, 10:14:35 PM »
*beats head into the wall*  It's sad when I, a 20 year old normal American woman, know more than my own president and respect him less than the idiots that live in my hellhole town.

And this is the place I've been in the past eight years.



The thing that gets me, when this topic comes up, is that almost invariably a staunch Bush supporter chimes in and says something to the effect- 'Bush is really a lot smarter than he lets on'.

OK...hold up there a second...rewind.


Here's the president of the United fracking States of America, still regarded as the political, economic, cultural and military powerhouse of the world scene. The president of the US, the so-called leader of the free world, etc. etc.


In what possible way does even pretending not to be clever benefit the holder of this office??


I am a 41 year old American male, definitely way smarter than the average guy. Machismo and alpha male Marlboro men do not ever impress me....intelligence does. I expect my president to be at least as smart as I; hopefully even more so.


This much at least I can say of John McCain or Barak Obama; nobody is questioning intellect. I have no doubt that McCain is up to the task of president in every respect, I even tend to like the guy from the TV appearances I've seen him make, the problem is that I am convinced he's not the right guy for America this November. Very probably not right for us far beyond US borders.

At least we'll have that this year; either way we won't be worrying about having a smart president in office. After nearly a decade without, it will be really nice to see that again.  :-\
« Last Edit: September 19, 2008, 10:20:05 PM by The Overlord »

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Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2008, 10:29:27 PM »
The thing that gets me, when this topic comes up, is that almost invariably a staunch Bush supporter chimes in and says something to the effect- 'Bush is really a lot smarter than he lets on'.

OK...hold up there a second...rewind.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt." 

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Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2008, 10:30:50 PM »
*steers conversation back on track*

I haven't heard anything further about Venezuela, Bolivia (wasn't it Bolivia?) or Russia. So, like, what is up? ANy further developments that people can find?

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Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2008, 10:43:59 PM »
Chavez is apparently shopping around for buyers - and it's a sellers market.  From the headlines, he's talking to China, Vietnam, and Russia, and his profits are up 961%

Offline The Overlord

Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2008, 10:52:34 PM »
*steers conversation back on track*



Oh alright...but I must admit it was fun to take the car off-road a few miles and wipe out some mailboxes.  :P



It's been quiet the last few days, at least I haven't seen this in the headlines and I haven't gone looking for it.

In regards to Chavez (Venezuela), he's like chronic hemorrhoids; he'll flare up here and there and make you sore, and then after you've gotten almost comfortable he's back.

The Russian front, strangely quiet as well. I think after everyone got red-faced over the Georgian issue and they promised to send bombers to Venezuela, the situation has cooled a bit.


Might be the Ike Factor; Mother Nature got her riding mower out of the shed and cut a path across Texas…at this point the Third-World dictators are a little passé.

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Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2008, 10:55:30 PM »
I know people have a big fat storm sitting in front of their faces, but letting it obscure the view of everything else frustrates me. It's just a damned hurricane.

*sigh*

*puts her mailbox back up on its post*

Chavez is apparently shopping around for buyers - and it's a sellers market.  From the headlines, he's talking to China, Vietnam, and Russia, and his profits are up 961%

He was doing that before, wasn't he? He's ... been doing that for a while now, I thought.

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Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2008, 11:04:40 PM »
The article about his profits was in the last couple of days.  It looked like there was some recent history with the China connection, and the Russian oil companies are making noises about making a joint venture to get something going down there (Bloomberg's article was pretty scant on details).

Offline The Overlord

Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2008, 07:10:15 PM »
It's just a damned hurricane.



I beg to differ...ever been down to Galveston Island, Texas? It's a nice weekend hangout, even if the beaches aren't as clean and white as further east in Florida. Got some great seafood restaurants and bars on the piers overlooking the water.

I have been there a couple times, I know what it used to look like. Saying 'it's just a hurricane' is about as off the mark as saying 'it's just a nuclear bomb'.



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Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2008, 08:11:11 PM »
Okay. I'm not saying that it doesn't do damage, or that it doesn't mess up a lot of peoples' days. I used to live in hurricane country; I lived in Florida for the Years of the Endless Evacuations (Bertha, Ivan, Dennis, etc etc etc etc etc ... cannot remember all of their names). I know hurricanes suck. It's still no reason to let it completely obscure everyone's view of the larger picture. A small part of the country is dealing with the hurricane. The rest of us should be playing lookout while they get their shit back together.

Offline RubySlippers

Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2008, 08:13:18 PM »
What is the big deal Chevez is popular, is providing for the needs of his people, is standing up to Big Oil to get a bigger cut of the profits, is generally decent and has the support of the military. And he did effectively destroy the drug trade out of his nation why not give the poor man some credit he heads a generally stable nation.

And compared to Bush this man is worse?  :-\

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Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2008, 08:15:12 PM »
That must be why Americans hate him so much. Jealousy.

*sage nod*

Offline Vekseid

Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2008, 11:14:10 PM »
Chavez is a first degree idiot who wrecked his nation's oil production potential and is currently tying to distract his citizens from the fact with fervent anti-americanism.

Eventually Brazil will get annoyed, I imagine.

Offline The Overlord

Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #48 on: September 21, 2008, 01:36:25 AM »
I know hurricanes suck. It's still no reason to let it completely obscure everyone's view of the larger picture. A small part of the country is dealing with the hurricane. The rest of us should be playing lookout while they get their shit back together.

I agree 100% here, but the long-term trend is that the news media has to have a focus, and that focus is usually on sensationalism.

The millennium had barely ticked in when the situation with China came to the front page. But then by next year Boom...9/11. Now we don't just have evil-doers that want to force down our aircraft and get us to chop them up and crate them away, hell no...now they come here and steal our planes and trash our buildings with them.

Ike carried much more destructive potential than Venezuela could ever hope to and it landed in our back yard, sensationalism yes, but also understandable. Ultimately Ike reached category 4, but Chavez never blows more than hot air.


« Last Edit: September 21, 2008, 01:37:41 AM by The Overlord »

Offline The Overlord

Re: OH NO!!! Venezula. . .
« Reply #49 on: September 21, 2008, 01:40:20 AM »
That must be why Americans hate him so much. Jealousy.

*sage nod*

I don't hate Chavez, I just think he's a bloomin' idiot.


As I said earlier in this thread, I actually respected some of his motives at first; getting Latin America to stand up to US pressure on many things is a good thing, but at some point he just became Kanye West and needs to STFU now and let cooler heads in Latin America speak.