Yeah, they didn't like being poor, nobody does.
It's pretty much just money. Look no further than Saudi Arabia, total dictatorship country, yet the US is close allies with them, I don't see the US opening a can of democracy on them, why? Because oil, money, petrodollar.
The US occupy no moral high ground in terms of international relations, just a lot of cash, a lot of countries dependent on that cash, and the strongest military force in the world.
Most people don't like being poor, but money is not the main reason most of the Warsaw Pact nations turned to the West. Almost 50 years of brutal, hard line Soviet rule is why they turned to the West. They DIDN'T want to be shot for speaking their mind, for voting against the party line, they wanted to have freedom of the press, freedom to assemble and not be killed, freedom to protest, freedom to be free... to move around their own country without having papers, freedom from the brutal hand of the KGB and its 'allied' services of Russia's allies... Hungary was such an ally, yet when Hungary tried to leave the Warsaw Pact, Russian tanks moved in to crush the movement because Russia didn't want any of its 'allies' to leave. They never got a choice, it was the Russian/Soviet way, or the grave.
You're ignoring the occupation and damned heavy hand of Russian policies on the Central European countries, ie, strawdogging.
More than that. There's a hell of a lot more freedom in the West than under Russia's areas. The US humanities record is a hell of a lot better than the Russian one is.
When has Romania been under Russian rule? The area that is now Moldova has been and Romania has been part of the Warsaw Pact. Bucharest has never been under Russian ruling.
That said, the other 'allies' still want Russia. So all the countries you name are in Europe and close to the EU. Azerbaijan, Kazahkstan, Turkmenistan, they are all still friendly towards Russia but not near the EU. See a trend there?
Freedom is a farce. As QT says, there are tons of countries in the Middle East that are not 'free' but nobody's complaining there because they have money.
And Dice, the fact that America is no major player in Ukraine is exactly my point. They either are, and help, or they are not and shut the hell up. You cannot sit on the sidelines but condemn Russia at the same time.
I don't agree with that. The Yugoslav war was in the 1990's, after that things sort of settled down. Kosovo got independence in 2008. If there had been a genocidal thread why did everybody wait 10 years with it? It was a prime example of NATO and UN doing what they do. They didn't like what Serbia was doing within their own country borders so they stepped in. When Russia doesn't like what Ukraine is doing within their country borders, the two parties that took Kosovo off Serbia for exactly the same reasons suddenly condemn Russia for that.
There was never any thread in Kosovo other than the lame excuses UN and NATO came up with. At least in Ukraine there is a thread as the government army is shooting and bombing it's own innocent civilians.
Romania was in the Warsaw Pact, this means it was under Russian control. And it wants to be closer to the EU than to Russia. The Ukraine wants to be closer to the EU than to Russia. So do the Baltic states and most of the rest of Central Europe. See a trend there? They did not like being under Russian control.
Freedom is a farce. Why? There's a LOT of free nations in Europe and the Americas. Are you so hateful of freedom that you don't want anyone else to have it? Why the hatred towards the nations of the West? Because they are freer? So what if many nations in the Middle East and Africa and Asian aren't free, consider them a work in progress that we can help make free (and before you get the idea that it means invasions, try diplomacy, economic incentives, a growth towards freedom by the people of those countries. And you're wrong about those people not complaining because they have money. The governments have the money, the people, don't.
Aahh.. yes, we have every right to be on the sidelines and condemn Russia. What you just implied is that unless our nations are just as involved in Ukraine as Russia is, we have no right to speak out about Russia's actions? That's pure BS and an attempt to shut up the opposition. That's low and beneath you. This server is in the free nations of the West, so please cease trying to deny us our freedom of speech and get us to shut up. That's not happening (and I find it disturbing that would want to shut us up if you could. )
As far as I know, there was no real internet as we know it when Kosovo happened. That was during President Clinton's terms of office. Elliquiy hadn't been created yet, so it is impossible for there to have been a threat about Kosovo. however this is now and we can talk about Ukraine and Russia, so we are.
Apparently there are people in the east of Ukraine who trust Russia to be a better choice than Ukraine. If you consider the Holodomor, imagine what a terrible option Ukraine must be if the majority wants to join Russia.
There's nothing to indicate that the majority want
to be a part of Russia. If they do, they can move to Russia.