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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2013, 09:35:56 PM »
Actually, Mr. Jackson is using Simillarion to fill the holes between LoTR and The Hobbit.

Have Beorn and his fabulous animal servants been mentioned?

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2013, 12:21:40 AM »
I thought the movie was great! I enjoyed the Stephen Colbert brief cameo appearance as well.

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2013, 03:43:08 AM »
I can definitely see a snickers solving if not more problems people have on that world xD

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2013, 03:43:14 AM »
Have Beorn and his fabulous animal servants been mentioned?

The skin-changer? Si! However, the animals aren't really mentioned as servants so much.

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2013, 08:29:27 PM »
There was quite a lot of detail in the book about how the dogs and sheep laid out the table and meals for the Party.  That whole scene is usually completely overlooked (along with Tom Bombadil in the Lord of the Rings) when the story is adapted to other media.

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2013, 08:47:38 PM »
I thought the movie was great! I enjoyed the Stephen Colbert brief cameo appearance as well.

Stephen Colbert got a cameo?

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2013, 01:48:07 AM »
Stephen Colbert got a cameo?

He did :) He was one of the spies in Laketown. It was a brief appearance (probably 2 or 3 seconds at most) he had an eye patch (from what I remember).

If you look at the IMDB page it credits him as a Laketown spy.

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2013, 09:08:19 PM »
There was quite a lot of detail in the book about how the dogs and sheep laid out the table and meals for the Party.  That whole scene is usually completely overlooked (along with Tom Bombadil in the Lord of the Rings) when the story is adapted to other media.

They did include him this time around. His bear from was pretty fantastic. However, his house was more like a stable for the animals than them doing much outside eating. >>;;

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2013, 12:33:12 PM »
I feel like such a poor fantasy fan when I say this with anticipation of being dragged to this movie tonight.  I didn't like the book.  I don't know why maybe because I came to it late in life, I'd long ago discovered modern fantasy and sci fi.  But, I just didn't like the Hobbit.  I never read the Lord of the Ring Trilogy before the movies, which I really did love the extended cut movies.  Every time the Hobbit comes up, I feel like I can't call myself a fan of fantasy because I just didn't like it.  And the first movie left me kinda Meh.  So, I don't have high hopes for seeing this tonight.  It just sucks there's so little other fantasy still in the movies.

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2013, 01:47:20 PM »
Not every fantasy fan has the same tastes.  Tolkien's writing style is almost a thing-in-itself that people like or dislike.  (Although, if you care to share, there's a 'What are you reading' thread where you might find fellow fans of your favorite authors.)

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #35 on: December 25, 2013, 11:55:13 AM »
Okay so...

Was I the only one that didn't like this movie?

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #36 on: December 25, 2013, 12:01:33 PM »
I thought the movie was great! I enjoyed the Stephen Colbert brief cameo appearance as well.

Stephen Colbert is like the God of Tolkien. You can ask him anything on the subject, and he'll know. It's awesome.

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #37 on: December 25, 2013, 12:07:22 PM »
Okay so...

Was I the only one that didn't like this movie?
No.  I just saw it last night and it was the Looooonnnnnggggeeeesssstttt night of my life.  Even my GF who wanted to see it and loved the first one couldn't stand this one.  Way too much extra crap that wasn't needed and just left the feeling that when they must have been freaking idiots come Lord of the Rings Trilogy.  And OMG the whole elf thing... *sigh*  I really wanted to like it being a fantasy fan and LOVING Lord of the Rings trilogy but I have to say props to Viggo for turning down a spot unlike Orlando because that character wasn't in the freaking book.

Sorry, vented.  But it's all fresh in my mind.  Of course my opinion may not be worthy since I actually liked Krull.  Giving me spinning Glaive any day.

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #38 on: December 25, 2013, 12:19:49 PM »
There was quite a bit wrong with this film, but the last straw, in my mind anyway, was the forced Dwarf-Elf romance...

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #39 on: December 25, 2013, 12:23:38 PM »
There was quite a bit wrong with this film, but the last straw, in my mind anyway, was the forced Dwarf-Elf romance...
I would have been ok with the Dwarf-Elf Romance if Evangeline Lilly didn't seem to be phoning in her performance.  I mean, she was over acting at some points and others just seemed like she didn't care, there was no feeling in her performance.  And I like her but was sadly disappointed with her in this one.

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #40 on: December 25, 2013, 12:41:06 PM »
No.  I just saw it last night and it was the Looooonnnnnggggeeeesssstttt night of my life.  Even my GF who wanted to see it and loved the first one couldn't stand this one.  Way too much extra crap that wasn't needed and just left the feeling that when they must have been freaking idiots come Lord of the Rings Trilogy.  And OMG the whole elf thing... *sigh*  I really wanted to like it being a fantasy fan and LOVING Lord of the Rings trilogy but I have to say props to Viggo for turning down a spot unlike Orlando because that character wasn't in the freaking book.

Sorry, vented.  But it's all fresh in my mind.  Of course my opinion may not be worthy since I actually liked Krull.  Giving me spinning Glaive any day.

Krull FTW!!!

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #41 on: December 25, 2013, 04:25:42 PM »
I can usually enjoy a movie for all kinds of reasons even if the plot is bad or it doesn't follow the books or what have you as long as the design work is good. I'm a costume designer and makeup artist, so I can get lost in the visuals. I enjoyed the experience of watching the movie, and in particular, not choking over the horrendously bad costumes for the elves in LOTR, (though I was still pulled out of the moment by close ups on machine buttonholes in a medieval level tech world, but I digress), and was easily distracted by some of the bad editing and compositing between the CGI and practical effects.

But, the whole The Hobbit: The Desolation of Luke I am Your Father aspect of the film just makes me go 'meh,' no matter how much fun I had watching it. That kind of cliffhanger is bad storytelling. You keep people engaged and wanting to come back to see your next film by making a kick ass film that advances the story that can stand by itself, not a 3 hour trailer for your next movie.

Smaug was indeed awesome.

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #42 on: December 25, 2013, 08:56:29 PM »
My only complaint with Smaug (as I stated elsewhere) is this current fascination with quadrupedal dragons, as opposed to the traditional hexapeds.  Other than that, he MADE the movie for me.

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
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« Reply #44 on: December 25, 2013, 09:09:35 PM »
My only complaint with Smaug (as I stated elsewhere) is this current fascination with quadrupedal dragons, as opposed to the traditional hexapeds.  Other than that, he MADE the movie for me.

This came up in discussion on another forum, and I remember what I said there - the decision to make him a wyvern-like design was probably done for the sake of the animators. Drawing a hexapedal dragon is easy. Animating one to move, on the other hand, requires a vastly larger amount of work, because the animators are working from scratch. The design they used means they can pattern his movements after bats or birds, since they share a vaguely similar skeletal structure...but no non-insect creature on Earth has six functional limbs. I'm mainly familiar with this issue because of an in-progress movie for a sci-fi franchise I'm a fan of, where one of the primary characters is hexapedal; in a presentation by the film studio, one of the things they talked about was how difficult it was just to figure out how a six-legged mammal/reptile would even be built skeletally and muscularly, let alone making it move remotely believably. The same issues probably came up for Smaug, which is why the early promotional artwork had a six-legged creature but the movie itself featured a four-limbed beast.
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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #45 on: December 25, 2013, 09:21:44 PM »
Movie and video game!
Wait?!?  There was a video game?!?  How did I miss this?

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« Reply #46 on: December 25, 2013, 09:48:23 PM »
Wait?!?  There was a video game?!?  How did I miss this?
It was, if I remember correctly, for the Atari 2600.

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
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« Reply #48 on: December 25, 2013, 10:02:40 PM »
Huh.... I don't think I ever had that one.  Sadly I did have the ET game on the Atari as a kid.  *sigh*

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Re: Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #49 on: December 25, 2013, 10:09:28 PM »
Huh.... I don't think I ever had that one.  Sadly I did have the ET game on the Atari as a kid.  *sigh*

So did I - never took it off of 'Easy' mode.