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Offline Miroque

Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #100 on: November 11, 2013, 02:19:48 AM »
@Greenknight: What about these alternative class features

They are core, so I would love to take Rapid Summoning (summoning would be standard action, and lose familiar) and Enhanced Summoning (losing scrie scroll, gain augmented summoning as bonus feat, and losing wizard bonus feats in long run, gaining summoning things in the future)

If those fly with you, I make changes to my sheet.

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Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #101 on: November 11, 2013, 02:20:05 AM »
An awakened animal wouldn't need Natural Spell; they can speak and have only one set of appendages to learn for a spell.

2 animal HD (+1 BAB, +3 Fort and Ref)
-8 Str, +4 Dex, +2 Wis, -2 Cha
Lots of skill bonuses
Natural weapons (that admittedly suck a lot) and improved senses
Weapon Finesse as a bonus feat

No LA means you're back up to 5400gp due to 4HD, too. I don't what kind of incentive that is if you're set on 2nd level spells at the outset.

Another thought. You might want to consider sorcerer rather than wizard due to spellbook complications. I like the image of a cat perusing a tome as large as it is, but it's quite impractical in actual play.



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Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #102 on: November 11, 2013, 02:23:58 AM »
Miroque, those are fine. You already had Augment Summoning, what are you taking instead?

Offline Miroque

Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #103 on: November 11, 2013, 02:26:45 AM »
well, to the spellbook thing, if its using the masters spellbook, why not? but yeah, sorcerer might work better in long run.

I take obtain familiar (as I lose familiar otherwise) and as I dont need Spell Focus (conjuration) I was thinking to change it to hmm... something wizardry..

Whats your take on "Master Linguist" feat from Eberron ? (preq: needs to have 4 languages) Benefit: gain +1 additional language each level. That would fit nicely to Victoriana's bookwormish upspring and intrest in the world as large.

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Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #104 on: November 11, 2013, 02:32:00 AM »
An awakened animal wouldn't need Natural Spell; they can speak and have only one set of appendages to learn for a spell.

2 animal HD (+1 BAB, +3 Fort and Ref)
-8 Str, +4 Dex, +2 Wis, -2 Cha
Lots of skill bonuses
Natural weapons (that admittedly suck a lot) and improved senses
Weapon Finesse as a bonus feat

No LA means you're back up to 5400gp due to 4HD, too. I don't what kind of incentive that is if you're set on 2nd level spells at the outset.

Another thought. You might want to consider sorcerer rather than wizard due to spellbook complications. I like the image of a cat perusing a tome as large as it is, but it's quite impractical in actual play.

If I was in the mood to Play a Druid, this would almost sell me.  (It wouldn't... 2 Animal HD just are too much, as people playing dedicated casters will reach 3rd level spells next level, while she'll have to wait until 7th, or even 8th if I played a Sorcerer as you suggest.) But it's just too much.

The point of the character was a long thought out pact, between the Count's family and a Family of Elven Cats.  The Cat is not just Pet, but advisor, with knowledge to offset her stature, and Wizardly abilities to help out in a pinch.  The Heir would hold her Spellbook, as part of their pact.

A Sorcerer gives up that concept.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2013, 02:49:30 AM by Tagan »

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Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #105 on: November 11, 2013, 02:32:56 AM »
Here's the Lady in Waiting.

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=202409

(Or you could always house rule the Homebrewed Elven Cat?)
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Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #106 on: November 11, 2013, 02:51:32 AM »
"Cunning Linguist" wha-? ;)

Go with http://dndtools.eu/feats/ghostwalk--94/gift-tongues--3547/ from Ghostwalk.

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Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #107 on: November 11, 2013, 02:59:01 AM »
*rolf* Cunning linguist.. I think I go for something more basics.. and take Improved Initiative..

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Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #108 on: November 11, 2013, 03:06:55 AM »
If you want, you can change one of the animal HD to a class level. What I don't see is a long term, generational contract. The character is, so far, a one-off. She likely has an alliance/friendship with Victoriana, but whether anyone else has even see you do non-cat stuff is another question. For your spellbook, it's probably more chapbook-sized and stored in her handbag.

If you prefer the handmaiden, consider changing your outfit to a courtier's; you can't be next to the lady in the equivalent of bike shorts and sports bra. That only works for late-90's, British pop acts.  ;) And the bracelet is just an alternate form everburning torch, correct?

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Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #109 on: November 11, 2013, 03:09:27 AM »
Gift of Tongues is +2 bonus languages and Speak Language as a class skill.

Offline Tagan

Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #110 on: November 11, 2013, 03:11:59 AM »
Hmm.  1 Animal HD?  Deal!  ;)

I'll make the Modifications, (again.)

It's a trade, -2 Cha for an additional HD...

As Charisma is not a neccessary stat, it works.

(As for the 'Lady's outfit, she'd be an employee, hired for the Journey.  She'd expect her employer to provide appropriate 'costume'... but that's a minor point.  And correct, same as torch, just a different object the spell is cast on.)

Offline Miroque

Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #111 on: November 11, 2013, 03:13:17 AM »
yes it does, but to be honest, its like +2 skillpoints for wizard..

Would Beckon the frozen be okay? Boosting Victoriana's summons quite nicely.

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Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #112 on: November 11, 2013, 03:17:34 AM »
And, as someone raised the proverbial cat back on the table, should I make some changes to compensate? (if its Victoriana's improved familiar? or just an special friend?)

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Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #113 on: November 11, 2013, 03:23:35 AM »
Beckon the Frozen, not to start. It will be available later. And no, even if Dora is Victoriana's "familiar," she's not a familiar in the game sense.

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Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #114 on: November 11, 2013, 03:30:40 AM »
All right on both counts. Then I hold improved Initiative. Beckon the Frozen would be nice lv6 feat.. *cough* :)

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« Reply #115 on: November 11, 2013, 03:32:34 AM »
Beckon the Frozen, not to start. It will be available later. And no, even if Dora is Victoriana's "familiar," she's not a familiar in the game sense.

She'll pretend to be her Familiar though.

We'll say that Dora was a present from her father when Victoriana was just a little girl.  A pet that would grow up with her, advise her and help protect her, all without being suspected.

(It would be simple enough for the Count to pay to have his daughter's cat 'Awakened' the fact that the cat was then intelegent enough to study Wizardy would just be a bonus!)

Offline AndyZ

Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #116 on: November 11, 2013, 03:35:27 AM »
AndyZ, maybe your holy amazon is from the otherwise of the family tree?

How exactly do you mean "otherwise?"


Oh, and no issues with a cat.

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Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #117 on: November 11, 2013, 03:36:07 AM »
AndyZ: missspelling-... otherside not otherwise...

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Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #118 on: November 11, 2013, 03:36:32 AM »
So, is this your character portrait? XD


Offline Tagan

Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #119 on: November 11, 2013, 03:42:03 AM »
And here's her sheet again.  That SHOULD be completed now.
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=112494

Interesting note, an Awakened Animal is a Magical Beast...

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Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #120 on: November 11, 2013, 03:43:11 AM »
Hmm....If I change my Improved Familiar to Cat (male) we could get intelligent cat liter? *Insert manic laughter at this point and finger tapping*

And somehow I have hard time thinking that the Intelligent Cat has familiar cat... no fence, but that seems hmm... odd... and in lv6 your going for Leadership? (follower cats?)
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Offline Tagan

Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #121 on: November 11, 2013, 03:49:35 AM »
Hey, who wouldn't want their familiar to be Sexually compatible?  Win/win!

But if the GM allows or wishes, she can trade in the Familiar via the Unearthed Arcana alternate.

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Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #122 on: November 11, 2013, 03:51:19 AM »
I got the Alternative class feature from UA, but they are all for specialist wizards arent they in UA?

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/specialistWizardVariants.htm

Offline Tagan

Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #123 on: November 11, 2013, 03:59:30 AM »
True, but there's no reason I couldn't make her a Specialist...

Not that I need to, or even really want to.  But if having 2 Intelegent Cats, one the Familiar (and boy toy) of the other Cat, makes anyone unhappy, I'll do the Specialist familiar trade instead... I'm not tied to that part of the concept.

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Re: House of Ravens (was Want to run D&D)
« Reply #124 on: November 11, 2013, 04:02:14 AM »
I just fear that having an punch of animals trailing an noble will be drag IC (Victoriana's has her Celestial hawk), Dora the cat, Paladin with her celestial and intelligent horse, Ranger with his/her killer comppanion... more animals that persons.