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Author Topic: Shadows of the Sword Coast (Forgotten Realms 3.5)  (Read 8764 times)

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Offline Zaer Darkwail

Re: Shadows of the Sword Coast (Forgotten Realms 3.5)
« Reply #425 on: March 21, 2014, 09:00:17 AM »
Yeah, but usually all major trade positions are held by Red Wizards (they monopolizes trade very least inside their country). You can be some bigger red wizard's representative or be Thayan born but your parents moved elsewhere to live (or your slight rebel against the dickery system what red wizards run in home country by striking out as trader...even if you would return to Thay you would be curbstomped for the impunity).

But as said, there is nothing against go and play as red wizard tradeswoman (have PrC levels in red wizard), but problem is most people distrust you. You could be in Waterdeep to try negotiate open a Thayan enclave where trade could flourish (and you could honestly be Waukeen worshiper although most red wizards do not care about religion). You could help with the crime case vs arsonists and missing people as means to get 'positive PR' and also that you have personal vested interest for wellbeing of Waterdeep.

Only issue is that Adrian himself is from Thay and he is successfully escaped apprenticeship from a red wizard. Also there is a chain using tiefling who has strong issues against thayans in general (especially red wizards are red cloth to her).

So if you want lots RP challenges, you could roll as wizard who has levels in red wizard PrC who honestly tries open trade to Waterdeep (both as national pride and as being worshiper of Waukeen although later one is more private matter which you would not openly advertise).

But if you want smooth sailings, I advice your trader origins are from elsewhere than from nation which around rest Western world views as 'corrupt, evil and scheming' nation based on solid evidence.

Offline RubySlippers

Re: Shadows of the Sword Coast (Forgotten Realms 3.5)
« Reply #426 on: March 21, 2014, 12:20:02 PM »
Not a Red Wizard a Thayan of the merchant class your "normal Thayan", who is a Divine Bard (a bard variant that draws magic from a deity using wisdom as the main ability, bards who use arcane magic in Thay have issues a divine power is another matter) and is a Merchant Princess her Guild her faith. And faith is one route to advancement for Thayans of the right stock and not well wizards.

Oh and the Red Wizards may not care about faith but the gods and goddesses are mighty powers that cannot be ignored.

My character likely will invest in two more limited use portals and broker in freeing slaves from Thay, that is for say twice the cost of the slave will buy them and send them to Waterdeep doing work with various interested parties. Its not illegal and should be profitable. And give her a good rep among the locals that matter the good faiths who would pay and the representatives of various races to free some of their people. And she can send goods the other way to profit more. Gates aren't cheap but half the gold should cover two if done right.

Offline Zaer Darkwail

Re: Shadows of the Sword Coast (Forgotten Realms 3.5)
« Reply #427 on: March 21, 2014, 12:28:45 PM »
Well it's true there is middle class citizens in Thay but always on top are red wizards with no exception. Not even church openly question this, red wizards may have respect for Kossuth but they care little else for other churches (and other religions have no foot hold as even Kossuth church watches for upstarts).

Now, even if you paid 100x times the slave's price, if buyer is thayan red wizard the salesman sells slave to him. Reason? He does not want end up angering a red wizard (and doing so is suicidal). It's possible you get ahead and buy slaves off the market but you unlikely get everything and you may had needed to bribe slave seller to give you chance to buy before red wizards see the stock (until a red wizard realizes what's going on and doubles your bribe price and slave master cannot refuse).

Thay is magoracy dictatorship country, if your not high ranked cleric of Kossuth or red wizard you have no political power there. Despite how rich you can be (as red wizard can simply confiscate your wealth without it being even a crime). Most key thayan trade is based on red wizard created industry of super cheap magic items and slaves. Plus of course occasional spellcasting service rented.

As said, nothing against your concept but you need understand the very climate where your char comes from and understands if red wizard asks you to jump you ask only 'how high?'.

Offline RubySlippers

Re: Shadows of the Sword Coast (Forgotten Realms 3.5)
« Reply #428 on: March 21, 2014, 04:15:07 PM »
I'm not going to get into a spam fest I'm tossing the idea for a Thayan.


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Re: Shadows of the Sword Coast (Forgotten Realms 3.5)
« Reply #429 on: March 21, 2014, 04:31:02 PM »
SPAM? Someone's serving Stuff Posing as Meat at a feast? Cool! I like mine grilled with a nice cherry sauce and a thick pineapple slice, please... or, if you don't have the cherry sauce, I also like it with a sweet mesquite BBQ sauce and cole slaw.

Man, I haven't had spam in years, not since I ate that whole can of World War II surplus and... nevermind, I think I'll pass on the spam feast, can I just get corned beef hash instead?

Offline CalrondTopic starter

Re: Shadows of the Sword Coast (Forgotten Realms 3.5)
« Reply #430 on: March 21, 2014, 07:45:46 PM »
Well it's true there is middle class citizens in Thay but always on top are red wizards with no exception. Not even church openly question this, red wizards may have respect for Kossuth but they care little else for other churches (and other religions have no foot hold as even Kossuth church watches for upstarts).

Now, even if you paid 100x times the slave's price, if buyer is thayan red wizard the salesman sells slave to him. Reason? He does not want end up angering a red wizard (and doing so is suicidal). It's possible you get ahead and buy slaves off the market but you unlikely get everything and you may had needed to bribe slave seller to give you chance to buy before red wizards see the stock (until a red wizard realizes what's going on and doubles your bribe price and slave master cannot refuse).

Thay is magoracy dictatorship country, if your not high ranked cleric of Kossuth or red wizard you have no political power there. Despite how rich you can be (as red wizard can simply confiscate your wealth without it being even a crime). Most key thayan trade is based on red wizard created industry of super cheap magic items and slaves. Plus of course occasional spellcasting service rented.

As said, nothing against your concept but you need understand the very climate where your char comes from and understands if red wizard asks you to jump you ask only 'how high?'.

So it sounds like she'd have a hell of a time trying to be a merchant IN Thay, but she could be a merchant in Waterdeep FROM Thay pretty easily. It just means that there's a reason why she left Thay. Maybe she left on bad terms and can't go back without risking her life. Maybe somebody is hunting her. Let's focus on how we can tweak her idea so that it works rather than why it won't work in its present form.

Not a Red Wizard a Thayan of the merchant class your "normal Thayan", who is a Divine Bard (a bard variant that draws magic from a deity using wisdom as the main ability, bards who use arcane magic in Thay have issues a divine power is another matter) and is a Merchant Princess her Guild her faith. And faith is one route to advancement for Thayans of the right stock and not well wizards.

Oh and the Red Wizards may not care about faith but the gods and goddesses are mighty powers that cannot be ignored.

My character likely will invest in two more limited use portals and broker in freeing slaves from Thay, that is for say twice the cost of the slave will buy them and send them to Waterdeep doing work with various interested parties. Its not illegal and should be profitable. And give her a good rep among the locals that matter the good faiths who would pay and the representatives of various races to free some of their people. And she can send goods the other way to profit more. Gates aren't cheap but half the gold should cover two if done right.

Ah! There's a good reason why she may need to be secretive. She wants to remain on good terms with Thayans to keep up appearances and make procuring slaves much easier, but she also wants to free as many slaves as possible.

Here's my idea: Rather than trying to out-right buy slaves, she helps smuggle them out of Thay by way of portals. But smuggling live slaves will royally piss off the owners and the slavers, so she takes a less obvious route - she gives them an herb or potion that makes them appear dead. A dead slave is no good to anyone, and would probably be either used as undead cannon fodder or as gnoll food. In other words, if a few slaves that are presumed to be dead begin disappearing, nobody is going to bat an eye, and as long as she doesn't start smuggling slaves out on a large scale, she can free Thayan slaves without drawing much attention to the fact that their bodies are disappearing.

How does that sound, RubySlippers?

Offline RubySlippers

Re: Shadows of the Sword Coast (Forgotten Realms 3.5)
« Reply #431 on: March 21, 2014, 10:42:19 PM »
I'm dropping the whole concept, I said that already.

Offline CalrondTopic starter

Re: Shadows of the Sword Coast (Forgotten Realms 3.5)
« Reply #432 on: March 21, 2014, 10:44:33 PM »
Oh, sorry to hear that. Do you have another character idea in mind?