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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2013, 02:43:44 PM »
Fred Rogers taught us we are special and other people are special, too.  He has always made me feel special.  He didn't make the mistake of so many parents who misuse the word special to teach their child or children that they are the only special one or that they are more special than others or the most special being(s) in the world.  He gave us happiness, courage and a sense of worth in ourselves and he is as responsible as my grandparents and a few very close friends for getting me through some pretty rough times.

FOX News really isn't much different than some of the other news programs.  Fox & Friends is a peculiar bit of nonsense that I have no stomach for. 

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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2013, 06:36:10 PM »
I watched the video.  It sounded like they were discussing a study released by someone.  Fox and Friends which that segments is from is a commentary and opinion show to my knowledge.  Do I have issue with some things Fox News does, yes.  I so have issue with things other news channels do.  But it seems to me Fox News gets lambasted when other channels that do the same or worse get a pass.

All news networks have slight biases in how they present their information.  I think the reason a lot of people tend to outwardly lambast Fox is because they disagree with conservative views on social issues.

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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2013, 08:50:48 PM »
Well, Fox News has repeatedly presented falsehoods as news far more than the other cable networks, which gives them a very poor reputation among other things.

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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2013, 10:29:08 PM »
Well, Fox News has repeatedly presented falsehoods as news far more than the other cable networks, which gives them a very poor reputation among other things.

Well this is the New Agency that let a VP of Fox Broadcasting decided who did and didn't qualify for journalistic protections (They outed the author of the Bin Laden Seal Team book without a single worry to what would happen to the others on the team)

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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2013, 12:21:10 AM »
Well, Fox News has repeatedly presented falsehoods as news far more than the other cable networks, which gives them a very poor reputation among other things.
You mean they fought a legal battle for the Constitutional right to present lies as news. Which is a whole different level of slimy, to me.

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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2013, 12:23:18 AM »
A much slimier level, in my opinion.

Offline TaintedAndDelish

Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2013, 04:27:18 AM »

While I used to talk smack about Mr. Rogers as a kid, in hindsight, his show was decent and nurturing. Find me another show today that compares to his when it comes to discussing issues that a child might be concerned about or that is as calming and soothing to a young audience. Find me a show the provides as much education as this for the target audience. Most of today's kid's shows are absolute nonsense - mostly bright colors and noise.

I didn't bother to watch the clip as I know the source. Fox news is not worth my time. I simply refuse to read or watch or read any of their fake news.


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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #32 on: July 02, 2013, 10:14:55 AM »
I dare say that, for all the quips done about Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood (Anyone remember 'Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood'?  Or the time David Copperfield poked fun at it during a magic show?) all of the people doing the quipping did so from a position of actually loving the source material.

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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2013, 10:23:26 AM »
Anyone remember the episode where he talked about the fear of going down the drain in the bathtub?

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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2013, 10:36:55 AM »
Is it on the link I posted earlier?  I didn't go through all the episodes (not sure all of them are there.)

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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2013, 12:39:54 PM »
If it is true that one's worth may be measured by the power and ferocity of one's enemies, think what this says about Mr. Rogers. Think what this says about Fox.

Offline TaintedAndDelish

Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2013, 03:11:54 AM »
Anyone remember the episode where he talked about the fear of going down the drain in the bathtub?

LOL Yes!


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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2013, 06:18:58 AM »
Kinda offtopic but felt like it would hceer people in this thread up ^^
Mr T vs Mr Rogers. Epic Rap Battles of History #13

Offline Zeitgeist

Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2013, 08:09:37 AM »
Did you watch you the video? I did. No one in the video said Mr. Rogers was an 'evil man'. They simply questioned the thought process of feeling special versus entitlement. The video too is somewhat suspect as the audio doesn't match the video, what is up with that?

No one lambasted him in the video. I'm quite certain Mr. Rogers, considering the generation he hailed from, would agree that while each child is indeed special, one should not feel overly entitled and would extol the virtues of hard work and earning your way in life.

This is all about Anti-Fox hysteria, liberal frothing and hand-wringing. Get over yourselves.

Oh and did you know he was an ordained minister? Considering how unpopular religion is around here I can't that would make anyone comfortable.

And no, he never served in the military. Urban Legend.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/fredrogers/a/mr_rogers.htm
« Last Edit: July 03, 2013, 08:20:22 AM by Zeitgeist »

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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2013, 09:57:24 AM »
There have been at least three posts pointing out that he was a Presbyterian minister.  (And I think at least one prior to yours debunking the sniper legend.) 

Not everyone here hates religion, and regardless of his ordination, Fred Rogers was the type of guy who could make anyone feel as comfortable as a much-anticipated house-guest, and yes - special.  I left the Catholic Church over two decades ago, and I would have felt just fine taking tea with Fred Rogers.  And you know what?  We probably wouldn't have spoken about religion at all.

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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2013, 02:20:49 PM »
Did you watch you the video? I did. No one in the video said Mr. Rogers was an 'evil man'. They simply questioned the thought process of feeling special versus entitlement. The video too is somewhat suspect as the audio doesn't match the video, what is up with that?

No one lambasted him in the video. I'm quite certain Mr. Rogers, considering the generation he hailed from, would agree that while each child is indeed special, one should not feel overly entitled and would extol the virtues of hard work and earning your way in life.

This is all about Anti-Fox hysteria, liberal frothing and hand-wringing. Get over yourselves.

Oh and did you know he was an ordained minister? Considering how unpopular religion is around here I can't that would make anyone comfortable.

And no, he never served in the military. Urban Legend.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/fredrogers/a/mr_rogers.htm

 I watched the video. They spent 6 minutes describing how Mr.Rogers taught nothing but self-entitlement. 11 seconds in "this evil evil man has ruined a generation of kids."

 Please keep the personal attacks out of here. That isn't needed or polite.

 We know he was an ordained minister. Believe it or not, we don't hang anyone religious around here. I know, hard to believe, but it's true. Hell, I'm good friends with the former priest at the local Catholic church (helped that he and my father were on the volunteer fire department together).

 It was stated a couple of times about never serving in the military.

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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2013, 02:44:57 PM »
Did you watch you the video? I did. No one in the video said Mr. Rogers was an 'evil man'. They simply questioned the thought process of feeling special versus entitlement. The video too is somewhat suspect as the audio doesn't match the video, what is up with that?
Apparently not very well. That's from literally ten seconds into the video, dude. It's not a very good lie when it's so trivially disproven.

No one lambasted him in the video. I'm quite certain Mr. Rogers, considering the generation he hailed from, would agree that while each child is indeed special, one should not feel overly entitled and would extol the virtues of hard work and earning your way in life.
So... the exact opposite of what they were claiming he said and did, then? Why are you defending this tripe again?

This is all about Anti-Fox hysteria, liberal frothing and hand-wringing. Get over yourselves.
...or it's about a national news syndicate that has nothing better to do than devote five minutes of airtime to lying and demonizing a deceased, beloved public figure. Maybe you could try seeing the other side as something other than evil mutants, and knock off the pathetic insults while you're at it?

Oh and did you know he was an ordained minister? Considering how unpopular religion is around here I can't that would make anyone comfortable.
Those of us who didn't leap into the thread solely to attack others do, because it was mentioned three goddamn times. Some people are capable of disagreeing with others without completely writing them off, judging them instead by the merits of their actions. And by that standard, this hardline, vocal atheist thinks that most people could stand to take a lesson or two from Fred Rogers.

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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2013, 03:08:38 PM »
Would Mr. Rogers approve this message?

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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #43 on: July 03, 2013, 04:47:13 PM »
Would Mr. Rogers approve this message?

 No. No he would not.

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« Reply #44 on: July 03, 2013, 05:59:55 PM »
Apparently not very well. That's from literally ten seconds into the video, dude. It's not a very good lie when it's so trivially disproven.


Actually after a second and third time listening to that, I do hear where the woman says: this evil, evil man.... It was also quite obvious in the context of the discussion she was being sarcastic. Why do I think she's being sarcastic and yourself, as well as others, believe she's sincere? I guess it is because I know that woman's voice, I've seen her talk before. She and no one else in that clip is explicitly saying or inferring Mr. Roger's is an evil, evil man. You're guilty of the same knee-jerk reaction you accuse me of.

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So... the exact opposite of what they were claiming he said and did, then? Why are you defending this tripe again?
...or it's about a national news syndicate that has nothing better to do than devote five minutes of airtime to lying and demonizing a deceased, beloved public figure. Maybe you could try seeing the other side as something other than evil mutants, and knock off the pathetic insults while you're at it?

Those of us who didn't leap into the thread solely to attack others do, because it was mentioned three goddamn times. Some people are capable of disagreeing with others without completely writing them off, judging them instead by the merits of their actions. And by that standard, this hardline, vocal atheist thinks that most people could stand to take a lesson or two from Fred Rogers.

I'd suggest you're a tad sensitive there. Perhaps you think you're too special?

Thing is Mr. Rogers represents all that is traditional and wholesome. Fox News has a conservative point of view. Gosh, I don't know, maybe they were engaging in a fair and balanced debate? But then, it isn't my job to defend Fox News, they can do that themselves fine.

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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #45 on: July 03, 2013, 06:20:43 PM »
I'd suggest you're a tad sensitive there. Perhaps you think you're too special?

 Again. Please don't make personal attacks.

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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #46 on: July 03, 2013, 06:31:59 PM »
Hmmmmm.

I found out who Mr Rogers was the other day when I asked in this thread, and what I know of him is this thread (pretty clear he was a Presbyterian minister, for example) and his Wikipedia page.  But it seems clear that he's a much loved figure within the US.  Fine.  I felt broadly the same way about a load of people (who, it turns out, are all sex offenders - but that's a different matter.)

But look at the title of this thread. It seems to be a lot of people are suggesting that criticising the man is morally wrong.  That any sort of examination of his influence, thoughts, etc makes the examiner an inhuman monster with no "ethics or soul".  I'm not sticking up for Zeitgeist here, I'm making a broader point.  What is wrong with a news network examining the influence of someone?  That seems to me precisely what news networks should be doing.  Sure, you don't agree with their conclusions.  That's both fine and dandy.  But criticising a network for even having the temerity to have conclusions is a little extreme, and it seems in places that that's what's happening.

Yanno, IMHO.

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« Reply #47 on: July 03, 2013, 06:48:07 PM »
Hmmmmm.

I found out who Mr Rogers was the other day when I asked in this thread, and what I know of him is this thread (pretty clear he was a Presbyterian minister, for example) and his Wikipedia page.  But it seems clear that he's a much loved figure within the US.  Fine.  I felt broadly the same way about a load of people (who, it turns out, are all sex offenders - but that's a different matter.)

But look at the title of this thread. It seems to be a lot of people are suggesting that criticising the man is morally wrong.  That any sort of examination of his influence, thoughts, etc makes the examiner an inhuman monster with no "ethics or soul".  I'm not sticking up for Zeitgeist here, I'm making a broader point.  What is wrong with a news network examining the influence of someone?  That seems to me precisely what news networks should be doing.  Sure, you don't agree with their conclusions.  That's both fine and dandy.  But criticising a network for even having the temerity to have conclusions is a little extreme, and it seems in places that that's what's happening.

Yanno, IMHO.

Examining someone's influence and saying that it might not have been what the person intended it to be is fine. Denigrating the man himself (who was only trying to do something good) is what I think is out of line.

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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #48 on: July 03, 2013, 06:55:32 PM »
Examining someone's influence and saying that it might not have been what the person intended it to be is fine. Denigrating the man himself (who was only trying to do something good) is what I think is out of line.

But they are talking about his influence.  Specifically a report from Louisiana State University - apparently - about his influence. 

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Re: FOX news proves, once and for all, that they have no ethics or soul.
« Reply #49 on: July 03, 2013, 07:06:18 PM »
We live in a world where the influence of parents raising children to feel they are entitled to what they want simply because they are special is wreaking havoc on society.  All too often these parents overlook the fact that every child is special in their own way and that everything meaningful must be worked for and earned.

Fred Rogers didn't teach that concept of special but one that gave each child permission to look inside and pull out those parts that took away their fear and made them see their own worth.  He taught children they were inherently special and that didn't depend on how other people saw them but how they felt about themselves.  He did not, as the report and the story seemed to imply, teach children to be selfish and self-centered or demanding of entitlements. 

Every day I deeal with people who think that simply because they want they should get and actually have tantrums because they don't.