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The Ideas of a Mad Woman - F seeking for MF, MMF, more
« on: March 20, 2013, 10:09:36 PM »
    Please see my My On and Off's about how I RP

    If you've contacted me before and I've said no or you had a game with me in the past that didn't work out, don't be afraid to try again if you're interested!

    See here for my Fandom Ideas


    I've also put together some imgur albums to collect my rp inspiration pictures

    But just for a quick idea on how I am: (I would still suggest seeing my o/o though)
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    I tend to play female characters, every so often I will play a male character but usually in an MM pairing or as a side character.
    I prefer playing more submissive characters, but they're submissive with some spunk, never spineless. I can play dominate characters just as easily if the characters and plots are good
    I have also recently been playing around with more complex relationship dynamics than just monogamy or adultery, such as open relationships or polyamory. Usually this would entail MFM or FMM so a partner into both MF and MM would be awesome.
    I average two to five paragraphs a post, but generally try to match my partner's style (I just can't consistently do one para posts over and over, it drains me)
    I don't care about the gender of my partner, whether it's a guy playing a girl or a girl playing a guy, whatever.

    I like a good mix of sex and plot, how much of each can fluctuate, it all depends on the pairing and the plot

    Anything with a * is something I'm craving, the more * the more I want it

    Not so much ideas as themes...
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    • Lately I've been having fun playing around with relationship dynamics outside of the usual monogamous pairings. I will still do those of course but I've been enjoying polyamorous relationships, open ones, adultery that turns into something more complicated (almost cuckolding but not quite), love triangles, and others along those lines. I'd really love to work those in when possible, but I know it's not everyone's cup of tea so it's not a requirement.
    • I would also love to play more with male bisexual characters, usually with my partner playing one though I'm happy to play one as well, especially as a side character. So if that's something you enjoy think about shooting me a PM! :)


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    Re: Atroxa's Role Play Requests
    « Reply #1 on: March 22, 2013, 04:50:53 PM »
    The more * the more I'm craving this idea, but I would love any of them.

    *****Dark Alliances - MF - High Fantasy, Elves and Dark Elves
    The forest home of the Silver Elves is being threatened by human encroachment, the humans have blatantly violated ancient agreements and the current king has refused demands by the elves to retreat from the forest. The Silver Elves can and will fight when needed, but they are not numerous enough to fight off the humans quickly enough to minimize losses and damage. So the king of the Silver Elves has appealed to the queen of the Dark Elves, trying to mend ancient grudges and ally their people for the first time since they split eons ago. They marry, the dark queen bringing her army to the Silver Forest to take care of this human threat and in return have access to the Silver Elves' resources to improve the lives and future of her people, forced as they have been for so long to struggle in a forbidding forest and live underground. The potential power she would have over the silver king is too great to resist, and the two must navigate cultural and political obstacles to create a better future for both their people's, but can the queen and the dark elves be trusted? And how badly will this war with the humans escalate?

    ***Manifest Destiny - MF - Wild West game - Cowboy x Native Woman
    A Sioux woman's tribe is attacked and slaughtered or taken captive by a raiding band from a rival Pawnee tribe, she manages to survive but is severely injured. She's found by some local ranch hands and taken back to the ranch where the owner decides to keep her basically as a slave. He treats her poorly for being a woman and a native, but one of the ranch hands is kind and patient with her. They fall in love and decide to run away together but the ranch owner isn't going to just let that happen.

    ***Scale, Sword, and Staff - MF with other possible pairings MFM MM FMF etc - High Fantasy - Nonhuman *Dragon
    A knight and her mage assistant go out to fight a dragon accused of destroying a village but when they arrive the dragon claims innocence and the knight is obligated to investigate and confirm his guilt or innocence, mostly because her moral compass mage keeps her from simply trying to kill him. They discover that the dragon was framed by a growing religious cult in the kingdom when he refused to go with them. This cult holds that sex is prayer and the only path to enlightenment, and has become increasingly popular especially within the hedonistic nobility. The knight, the dragon, and the mage begin tracing the plot as they find this trouble goes deeper and deeper, and begin to suspect that the sex cult is just a front for something far darker and more dangerous.
    *The dragon would be able to shape shift between a classic dragon form, a bipedal dragon form, and a human form

    ***Spoils of War - MF or MM, other possible pairings - High Fantasy
    Fairly classic idea, invading army takes over a nation and the winning army claims various spoils, especially the officers and leaders. Gold, land, goods, and slaves. Our pair would be a military officer who has been rewarded for his service by being given a manor and land and other goods, and a luxury slave for his own use. Rather than simply forcing himself on the slave though he engages in a war of attrition, pushing and pulling his slave to get them to submit willingly. So this game would be a bit of a slow burn, a lot of seduction and tension and elements of force. I would prefer to play the slave but I'm not against playing the officer.

    **Robin Hood - Historic (could include fantasy elements if we like) - MF with possible MM, MMF, MFM, MFF if my partner is inclined
    The story of Robin Hood is a classic, and I have always wanted to do something with it. I would especially love something along the lines of the remake with Russell Crowe with a more historic lean and a stronger Marion, and possibly some female members in Robin's band. And of course the inclusion of the baddie, the Sheriff of Nottingham, whom I'd like to be a bit more serious than the usual bumbling, inept bully he's usually portrayed. I'd like to stick to the other all classic story but with our own additions and ideas, some changes here and there.

    *Pepromene - Chosen By Fate - MF - Classic Greek, mostly historical but strong fantasy/mythical elements
    A Spartan warrior goes and sees the Oracle of Delphine in his youth and learns that his first born child is chosen by the Fates for a great destiny, so when he marries and his wife becomes pregnant he awaits his child's birth with great anticipation. Much to his surprise, his first born child is a girl, but that doesn't deter him from preparing his child for her fate. There is a lot more to the back story but to make a long story short, the game would follow this 'chosen' girl as she strikes out on her own to finally get this great fate over with as it's done nothing but cause her trouble in her life. I'm debating on having her disguise herself as a young man as Greek society was pretty patriarchal, the Spartans weren't as bad as most but she'd be traveling all over Greece and possibly outside of it. I don't have a firm idea on this fate, but YC would likely be another young Greek warrior, thought one that probably doesn't know that she's a woman at first. Or perhaps someone she's known since childhood. There are a lot of possibilities.

    **A Werewolf in Las Vegas - Modern Supernatural - MF
    A fairly straightforward idea though not overly developed as I'd like to work out details with my partner, an idea about a werewolf living in a very unlikely place for a werewolf, Las Vegas. He could have been a werewolf for some time or we could keep to the tradition of the "American Werewolf in London/Paris" and have him be turned when he comes to Las Vegas. MC would be a human woman who catches his eye and has recently moved to Las Vegas escaping a recently ended abusive relationship. This'll be very character focused though there is potential for a larger plot and I have a couple in mind but yeah lots of drama and action and romance!

    ***Dark Circus - MF (other gender pairings possible if partner is open to them) - This is pretty wide open as far as what kind of themes and kinks could be included, I'd like some dark, twisted themes
    This is more of a concept than a firm idea. It could be set in a fantasy world, in the historic past, or even in modern day. I would definitely like some fantasy or supernatural aspects though. So if it's a fantasy setting that would be more open, but if it's set in our world, past or present, that aspect of the circus will likely need to be hidden. I would imagine MC being a new addition to the circus, likely stumbling into it more than anything else, not knowing what she's getting herself into. I'm not entirely sure of the circumstances of her joining the circus should be, but I'm thinking that she should have made some sort of agreement or pact without fully understanding what she was doing. My partner's main character could be a number of things, perhaps the circus's master, or the ring leader, or some other member of the circus. But both of us playing different members of the circus is very likely.

    **Vampire Ideas - I have several ideas for vampire stories, which I always crave. I really love dark, romantic, twisted stories and vampires are a perfect carrier for that. The nature of vampires can vary depending on my partner and the story. They could be the classic, demonic creatures, repelled by holy relics and possessed by beings of darkness. Or they could be something more scientific, humans infected by a disease that has both negative and positive side effects.
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    -I have always loved Francis Ford Coppola's take on Bram Stoker's Dracula (the one with Gary Oldman, Anthony Hopkins, and Winona Rider), and especially I love his take on the relationship between Dracula and Mina. Forbidden but magnetic, an ageless creature and an innocent but head strong young woman. I would love to do something similar, in whatever setting but I would really love to do this in the Victorian era, not required though. A small idea I have with this, though not opposed to others. A re-imagining or even just retelling of this would be lovely.

    - a young debutante from a lower ranking family has her parent's ambitions resting on her shoulders to find a rich, powerful husband and ends up snagging the attention of a foreign, powerful vampire. Possibly bordering more on obsession. Pretty unoriginal, I know, but there's potential for some pretty dark themes. And I have ideas for other characters, a female vampire, a vampire hunter, a rival suitor, a jealous father, etc. This would be past or fantasy.

    - a poor young woman, possibly a prostitute, winds up with an usual John who happens to be a vampire, who takes pity on her and keeps her as a sort of pet, though things evolve into more soon enough. Also potential for other characters here. Could be any setting really, past, fantasy, modern, futuristic.

    - an alternative to the above, said prostitute is saved in a more literal sense, either from being killed by a John or her pimp, or possibly from suicide, and is offered the chance to become a vampire by her savior. She does so and winds up joining a circus staffed mostly by vampires who use their abilities to wow and horrify audiences, but at the risk of inviting unwanted attention. Could be any setting really, past, fantasy, modern, futuristic, but I think past or fantasy would work best. Lots of potential for side characters here.

    - pretty straight forward probably modern setting idea of a young woman going to a night club and hooking up with a guy who turns out to be a vampire. Could be more of a one shot than anything but if we can come up with some interesting characters I think it could easily evolve into more. Perhaps she's married or engaged, or maybe he was meant to kill her or bring her to other vampires as a sort of initiation right.

    - a vampire hunter getting involved with a vampire, not sure of the details yet, but I imagine her as a righteous and possibly holy hunter, maybe a part of an order of hunters. This could be set in the past, or in a fantasy setting, or it could even be put in modern times or the future, an order having survived centuries into our time or the future.

    I have a few other snippets and seeds but those are the main ones for the moment. Feel free to contact me with ones of your own if you think I'd like them!


    *The Taking of Persephone - MF - Noncon and BDSM elements likely, could range from being rather vanilla to very dark and twisted, depending on how my partner wants to play Hades, could even be comedic potential
    So this would be a retelling/reimagining of the Rape of Persephone, I changed the title there a bit so people didn't thin it was just a rape story. In this instance they don't mean literal rape, though it's of course implied that that probably also happened, but more her being literally taken by force. For those unfamiliar with the story:
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    Hades the god of the Underworld came to the world of the living one day seeking to escape his loneliness and sees Persephone, daughter of Demeter the goddess of the earth, picking flowers with the nymphs. He's instantly enraptured with her beauty and life and kidnaps her to take her to the Underworld to be his wife. Long story short, she refuses to eat while she's there, her mother throws an epic, goddess fit and refuses to let anything on Earth grow until she gets her daughter back. Zeus demands Hades give her back and he reluctantly agrees but before she leaves he tricks her into eating six pomegranate seeds, binding her to the Underworld forever. He's still forced to give her back but she must return to the Underworld to be with him every year for six months, then goes back to the Earth for six months. During the six months that she's in the Underworld, Demeter refuses to let anything grow in protest and the Earth grows cold and unyielding. This was the Greek's way of explaining the changing seasons, during the fall and winter, Persephone is in the Underworld and Demeter lets nothing grow. Then she returns and life returns to the Earth.

    I would love to do something like this, staying either mostly true to the original myth or we could change things up somehow. Hades could be lonely and perhaps a little oblivious but mostly benevolent (towards Persephone anyway, I'd never call the God of the Underworld benevolent or harmless), or he could be more demanding and dominating. Persephone could even be willing to go with him and her mother just thinks she's been taken against her will, or doesn't believe that she would willingly go.

    More to come... feel free to ask me about one of these if you're curious, I have things in mind I just haven't gotten around to typing them out yet

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    Hunter vs Hunted - Monster Hunter Game - GM/Player-esque style - MF - exotics and nonhumans (how inhuman depends on my partner)
    This is a pretty classic idea I think, a game following a monster huntress on her adventures. I'm looking for a partner who is up for filling in a sort of DM type role where I'll be mostly playing my one character and they'd be playing other characters and mostly controlling the situations. I say mostly and -esque because I don't want to have no creative control or input. There are certainly two characters I have in mind that would work as main characters for my partner too but they would come and go.
    I got this idea going once and I absolutely loved the game before my partner disappeared, if anyone wants to read it over, this is to this day one of my most favorite games ever http://bluemoonroleplaying.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=56384

    The Celtic Gladiatrix- Roman Gladiator Game - MF with potential for MM and MMF/MFM/etc - likely D/s and BDSM elements, sex, intrigue, all that jazz
    So this idea has two potential approaches, both would center around a female Celtic warrior taken as a slave and ending up in Rome in the gladiator arena as a gladiatrix (female gladiator). The two approaches most differ on WHEN the game would start, the first being starting with her capture by a Roman officer who takes her as his own. Their relationship of course starts off as pretty unfriendly but would change and the officer would grow attached, but would be pressured or even tricked into trading/selling her when they get back over Hadrian's wall. This Roman officer would show up later in the game seeking to get the Celt back, but there would be complications of course...
    The second option would be to pick up with her already in Rome as a gladiatrix, which would happen after the previous bit either way, where she would catch the professional and personal interest of a Roman noble who would take her on as both a professional patron and a lover. The catch being his wife, who I would also play, who would be more or less the villain of the game. She and her husband have a very professional marriage, likely arranged, and each have their own lovers but the rule is to never forget that their spouse comes first. So when her husband seems like he's starting to slip on that rule, she decides to take matters into her own hands. Meaning she keeps trying to get rid of the gladiatrix, even going so far as to try and kill her.
    That's all I've got so far.

    WWII - Nazi Soldier & French Resistance Fighter - MF - Dubious consent and Non-Con likely
    I'm looking for someone to play a Nazi soldier here, which is hard to do since I think people shy from playing a possible Nazi but you can always play him as one of the German citizens who didn't believe in the Reich's philosophies but felt he had no choice to keep himself and his family safe, or out of the desire to rebuild his country, etc. Either way, MC would be a female French resistance fighter, a sniper I'm thinking. Long story short, she's taken captive by his squad and they plan on taking her to the nearest Nazi camp to be interrogated. Now, this could go several ways, I don't see this being a terribly long trip so I'm not interested in a long drawn out process of getting them together, the soldier could force himself on her or she could possibly try to seduce him in the hopes of getting him to lower his guard so she could escape. Either way, that starts things off between them and the closer they get to the camp, the more reluctant he is to hand her over. Here is where things could split in one of two directions, either he hands her over and then regrets his decision and helps her escape, or he could let her go and possibly go with her. Not sure where things could go from here.

    *Their Weapon and Love - Fantasy - MF but could be MM, also room for multiple partners and pairings
    So this is a concept that could be done a lot of different ways, at the hear would be some member of a royal family (king, queen, prince, princess, etc) and their close personal guard, called a Weapon (could be male or female). This person is basically a living weapon and shadows the royal they protect at nearly all times, protecting them but also serving as something of a confidant as well. I'd like to play a pairing between one of these two, with a new Weapon and their relationship with their new charge taking an intimate turn into affair land. Lots could be done with this in a larger story, this is just the pairing at the heart of the game.

    ***Corporate Sins - MF - Human x Demon - Modern Supernatural
    MC would be the daughter of a business magnate, destined to be his successor and more or less modern nobility. She's the heir and has had most aspects of her life decided for her, including the man she's going to marry. She's good at what she does, and does enjoy her work, but she finds her personal life lacking and unfulfilling. Then she meets an up and coming businessman, someone who has been marked as something of a rival to her father and his company and therefor her company. They meet at a benefit and the sparks fly. Unbeknownst to her, this man is actually a demon (or a half demon), using his infernal abilities to manipulate his way to the top. Initially he targets MC to try and get the edge over her father's business but things get personal quickly and both of them are left trying to balance their professional goals and personal desires.

    **King Arthur - Historic with fantasy elements - MF with possible MM, MMF, MFM, MFF if my partner is inclined
    I would really love to tell a more historical version of this legend, basically the story with all the late French Christian additions, having way more Celtic mythology influence. Kind of a mix between the Mists of Avalon and the 2004 King Arthur (not my favorite movie but I like the more historical take on the legend). You don't need to be an expert on this story, having just seen any of the shows or movies based on King Arthur would basically do since all of them tend to have a few main points. Characters of main interest are Arthur, Morgan le Fey, Lancelot, Guinevere, Merlin, and the Knights of the Round Table, as well as any OCs we feel we need.
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    Re: Atroxa's Role Play Requests (FM or MM) Closed
    « Reply #2 on: March 27, 2013, 11:19:23 AM »
    Genres:
    Sci Fi (Hard, Soft, AU/AH)                 Fantasy                                Supernatural
    Horror                                             Modern Supernatural             Modern Fantasy
    Historical Fiction/Period Piece            Modern/Contemporary           Military/War
    Romance                                         Post Apocalyptic                    Mythology

    I really love to combine Historical Fiction and the Mythology of the cultures if they're available. Time periods and cultures I enjoy are:

    Fuedal Japan                                  Roman Empire                       Ancient Greece
    Medieval Europe                             Iron Age British Isles             Vikings
    Native Americans                            Early Modern Europe             Middle East
    Early Modern Europe                      Victorian England                   Renaissance Europe

    Pairings:
    Can be MF or MM
    Keep in mind I generally love for relationships to start out in conflict lol but not always
    There are far too many to list them all, I'm open to others
     
    Samurai x Ninja            Knight x Knight             *Knight x Lord/Royal
    Pirate x Captive           Pirate x Naval Officer         Nazi x Rebel
    Nazi x Ally                    Witch x Vampire             *Vampire x Human
    *Werewolf x Human    *Werewolf x Vampire        Time Traveler x Local
    *Human x Alien            Demon x Angel               Cowboy x Native
    Fae/Elf x Human           God x Human                *Nonhuman/Anthro x Human   
    *Knight x Dragon         Mage x Dragon              *Viking x Celt
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    Re: Plot Driven, Glazed with Sex (FM or MM)
    « Reply #3 on: October 04, 2013, 02:00:35 AM »
    Picture Cravings

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    A bump for new ideas.

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    Updated current cravings

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    Re: Atroxa's Fortress of Dooooom - (F for M Characters)
    « Reply #6 on: September 07, 2014, 08:36:52 PM »
    bump - added a couple new ideas and one old one
    « Last Edit: September 07, 2014, 08:46:35 PM by Atroxa »

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    Re: Atroxa's Fortress of Dooooom - (F for M Characters)
    « Reply #7 on: December 14, 2014, 09:07:09 PM »
    Added two new ideas and also moved the ideas that have been sitting there forever down to another group where I basically have ideas I'm too in love with to scrap completely but have just kind of given up on.

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    Bump for new ideas

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    Re: Atroxa's Fortress of Dooooom - F seeking for MF, MMF/MFF
    « Reply #9 on: February 19, 2015, 08:06:52 PM »
    Bumping with new ideas and pictures

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    Re: Atroxa's Fortress of Dooooom - F seeking for MF, MMF/MFF
    « Reply #10 on: August 14, 2016, 10:32:19 PM »
    Bump, revamped a bit and added some new and old ideas

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    Re: Atroxa's Fortress of Dooooom - F seeking for MF, MMF
    « Reply #11 on: August 18, 2016, 12:01:54 AM »
    Took out some taken ideas and fleshed out 'the Dark Circus'

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    Re: Atroxa's Fortress of Dooooom - F seeking for MF, MMF
    « Reply #12 on: July 04, 2017, 01:31:39 AM »
    Bump

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    Re: The Ideas of a Mad Woman - F seeking for MF, MMF, more
    « Reply #13 on: November 07, 2017, 11:45:50 PM »
    Bump! Added a few more new ideas and revived some old ones