Once more, I am asking Sabby to simply explain what he said and support the claims. That is sort of basic in any discussion. Sabby is not able to do so, which I didnít expect Sabby to be able to do either. Yet if he cannot prove something then he should not state something as if that something is true.
Yeah, I think at this point you two are confusing the word opinion as a statement of something not true or of something that does not have any truth associated. That is, to my understanding, false.
Also MJ, I did not agree that the tea was tea at all. I am highlighting how reality viewed through the senses is flawed and so we cannot say our understanding of reality is sound or even that we are capable of doing so. At least not with the tea example.
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at, here. Sabs did answer you. Your question made little sense, and he did attempt to answer you. You asked him to give you absolute proof of absolute morality on a subject, and he couldn't answer that, because no-one can; of course he wasn't able to answer it how you wanted. No-one could.
And no, a statement is your opinion. If you say you like a film, or you think a film is good, then that is your opinion. Opinions don't have truth attached to them. You can hold an opinion that is contradictory to truth. Flat Earth Society has proof that the world is round, and they choose to believe that's a lie in their opinion.
Viewing reality through the senses is the only way you can view reality; that is how we interact with the world. It's true that the senses can be fooled, but that is where independent verification comes into play. If you say 'Hey, look at that pink bunny over there handing out golden eggs!' and your five friends say 'What pink bunny?', then there's a pretty good chance you're seeing something which isn't there. Add into this modern technology, where we can take pictures and observe the world in ways our senses can't be fooled. You can take a photograph, and what you see on the photo is what is there, barring any problems with the photograph.
Well no, their statement is than an opinion is not true or false. Meaning that an opinion has no truth or possibility of truth, while at the same time stating that an opinion has no ability to be not true.
Unless what they are saying is that an opinion is "not true" or in other words false.
It's not true and it's not false, because it's not asserting a fact; a fact can be true or false, but an opinion is a statement of what -you- believe which may or may not be supported by the facts. People believe the Bible is the word of God, with no proof to go along with that. Someone can say they love a film, but that's not a statement that the film is good or bad or that it's a fact that people will love that film. I can say I hate fish when I havn't even tried fish. You don't need facts or proof to have an opinion.
You can disagree all you like, but in the set example the object was identified as tea, period. Now you can start by saying that what is tea to one person might be coffee to someone else, but at that point your entire worldview implodes because everything can be anything and you haven't got a single frame of reference to discuss. That's the reality you believe you live in? Because I'm pretty sure the reality I live in is an objective one (as per Occam's Razor) and even if that might not be the absolute truth, I have no choice but to accept that I have to act as if I am in one. Everything that ever happened indicates that this is the case. A reality where facts are subject to change because of the beliefs of another is a pure fantasy world. I don't think there's much use arguing over truth if you believe that to be the case, because then truth loses its meaning.
It's also a theory which is very easy to test. If you believe that something changes based on your belief, let someone hand you two plain boxes. Both of them have coffee in them, but your friend has told you it's tea. They make you a cup, and you drink it. Will it taste like tea, because you have no reason to think it isn't tea and you believe what you have in your hands is tea? Or will you go 'Hmm... are you sure this is tea? Because this tastes like coffee, to me.'