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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2012, 08:22:05 PM »
They are punishing the former subscribers who have shelled out full price for this game since launch.  You'd think we'd get a bit more than a shrug and two extra quick bars.  I don't want it for free but a lot of people paid for this game and are now so tired of very little content that they just want to play on the F2P plan.  You definitely get what you paid for with this one.

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2012, 09:12:34 PM »
They are punishing the former subscribers who have shelled out full price for this game since launch.  You'd think we'd get a bit more than a shrug and two extra quick bars.  I don't want it for free but a lot of people paid for this game and are now so tired of very little content that they just want to play on the F2P plan.  You definitely get what you paid for with this one.

Let's be fair, it's a shrug, two quick bars, and a small heap of Bioware Bucks that will buy you back about 20-30% of the stuff you had...assuming you were lucky/smart enough to be an active customer at the exact moment FTP began, otherwise to hell with you. The Bioware Bucks to Cash ratio is obscene.

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2012, 09:20:27 PM »
It is and it makes me weary about the future of the game.  I really wonder how much longer it will last before EA goes "Hhaha! We got your money!" and pulls all support for the game.

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #53 on: December 10, 2012, 09:39:30 PM »
EA GAMES
Ruin everything
*bzzzt*

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2012, 04:50:44 AM »
The plan seems to be less about rewarding people for shilling out as it is about punishing them until they do. No rested XP, less XP from quests, increased prices (both gold and commendations) at vendors including for repairs and consumables, no hiding helmets, no hotbars, no colour matching... Yeah. The list goes on.

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #55 on: December 11, 2012, 07:19:47 AM »
The plan seems to be less about rewarding people for shilling out as it is about punishing them until they do. No rested XP, less XP from quests, increased prices (both gold and commendations) at vendors including for repairs and consumables, no hiding helmets, no hotbars, no colour matching... Yeah. The list goes on.
Not so much punishing, as much as trying to monetize it.  There's no malice here, just incompetence.  There implementing changes with this patch (today) like more character slots and hot bars for Premium Players (the former subbers.)

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #56 on: December 11, 2012, 07:21:12 AM »
Character slots have not been implemented yet.  And two extra hot bars means back up to four: the game is now playable.  The UI restrictions are just ridiculous.

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #57 on: December 12, 2012, 06:38:08 AM »
So my next question is this. As an actual game, playing "Raw" F2P sucks donkey nuts. How is it as a venue for RP, or do you have to subscribe to get the tools you'd need to make it viable?

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #58 on: December 12, 2012, 06:50:37 AM »
And for that matter, can someone explain 'Legacy' to me?

I want to play another species if I subscribe, but I don't want to throw more money into the game if I want another species to play

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #59 on: December 12, 2012, 09:25:08 AM »
So my next question is this. As an actual game, playing "Raw" F2P sucks donkey nuts. How is it as a venue for RP, or do you have to subscribe to get the tools you'd need to make it viable?

As a F2P venue for RP. I found it annoying. I'm a previous sub so I get access to more stuff then fresh new players and I found that about 50-65% of my emotes were all greyed out. I had to take off my helmet to show my face instead of just hiding the helmet with a checkbox. Overall I found the F2P restrictions were annoyances.

Of course you don't really need that stuff to be able to talk to people or go kill stuff and generally hang out to do role playing but losing those emotes and appearance options/functions are really annoying to me as a role player. 

Previously I found the game to be very restrictive with emotes and chatting anyways. So going F2P with more restrictions just lowered my opinion even further.

Does anyone know if they ever implemented chat bubbles? (Not having chat bubbles was a bit of a pain in the ass.)

Overall with the "on the rails" story lines and larger hard core crowd of lore nazis, the game is relatively hostile towards role playing in general. It lacks a great deal of freedom. It works for some people but for me it didn't. F2P has just made RP more difficult.

And for that matter, can someone explain 'Legacy' to me?

I want to play another species if I subscribe, but I don't want to throw more money into the game if I want another species to play

Legacy from what I understand just means that you give your characters a "family" name (last name.) All your characters get that last name.

It's something you achieve after you reach a certain level. If your a subscriber you get access to it and it also gives you some perks.

All races are open to you as subscriber (or they used to be).  But when you achieve legacy and gain levels you get perks like being able to use different races in different classes. Like becoming a Sith Warrior with a Twilek species. Prior to legacy you couldn't become a Sith Warrior with a Twilek.

Plus you get a whole list of perks as part of the legacy stuff. Here's a page for some stuff:  http://www.swtor.com/blog/legacy-perks-game-update-1.3
Five categories of modification perks in 1.3:
    -Class Mission modifiers, which increase the amount of experience you gain from completing your character’s story missions.
    -Warzone modifiers, which increase the amount of experience gained from completing PvP warzones.
    -Space Mission modifiers, which increase the amount of experience gained from completing space missions.
    -Exploration modifiers, which increase the amount of experience from finding new areas in the game world.
    -Flashpoint modifiers, which increase the amount of experience you receive from defeating enemies in Flashpoints.

Travel Perks introduced with Game Update 1.3 will help new and old characters alike get around the galaxy a little easier.

Companion Perks modify the way that you interact with your companions, as well as making them more useful to you at both low and high levels.
 
Field Repair Droid perk.

A perk which allows you to reset your skill trees from anywhere in the game. The Field Respecialization perk adds a new button to your skill tree window that enables this feature.
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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #60 on: December 12, 2012, 12:43:56 PM »
Being one who will never got back to SWTOR free or not, is there any rpers here who rp/play at GuildWars 2? It's free after the initial buy, game play and graphix are great too, though that's just my opinion.

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #61 on: December 12, 2012, 02:29:28 PM »
Being one who will never got back to SWTOR free or not, is there any rpers here who rp/play at GuildWars 2? It's free after the initial buy, game play and graphix are great too, though that's just my opinion.
Sadly GW2 isn't very conductive to RP in general.  The way it's quest set up and it's 'events' with it's 'drop in/drop out' system, very few people actually talk to each other outside of being friends already.  Not to mention that Guilds don't seem to last very long...

GW2 was a great experiment, not so much in terms of success.

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #62 on: December 12, 2012, 03:04:23 PM »

GW2 was a great experiment, not so much in terms of success.

By what sort of criteria are you using to make such a statement?  They seem to be doing quite well in terms of sales and numbers. I've seen more RP and successful guilds in GW2 than I have ever seen in something like TOR.  It's pretty damned successful if you ask me.

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #63 on: December 12, 2012, 03:35:46 PM »
I'd have to agree. having played RIFT, WoW for years... and SWTOR, so far GW2 is by far my favorite. I don't have to not have a life to compete really and I love that! :)

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #64 on: December 12, 2012, 03:44:05 PM »
By what sort of criteria are you using to make such a statement?  They seem to be doing quite well in terms of sales and numbers. I've seen more RP and successful guilds in GW2 than I have ever seen in something like TOR.  It's pretty damned successful if you ask me.
Personal criteria.  Sorry, I thought I was being anecdotal.  And officially it's doing 'OK' in terms of MMO sales.

Personally, I'm bored of it.  It's still too much like WoW (especially the dungeons) but with some of the tools lacking that make some things less of a grind.

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #65 on: December 12, 2012, 06:02:33 PM »
I'd still take GW2 over Swtor any day.

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #66 on: December 12, 2012, 06:35:05 PM »
Personally, I'm bored of it.  It's still too much like WoW (especially the dungeons) but with some of the tools lacking that make some things less of a grind.

I felt the same way. It was too much like WoW.

Also, it's the lollipop and gumdrop fantasy setting that bores me to tears now. I'm over the high-fantasy settings now. I'm looking for MMORPG's with different settings.

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #67 on: December 12, 2012, 06:48:35 PM »
I wish someone would make a good Shadowrun game. The setting is almost perfect for an MMO, it's incredibly fleshed out, and would be a genre almost completely untapped.

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #68 on: December 12, 2012, 07:00:34 PM »
I totally agree. I'd love to play a Shadowrun MMORPG.   

I think Blizzard could totally take WoW and create a sort of Shadowrun'esque future Azeroth. That would rock and give all us old time WoW players a new home (with hopefully a similar feel but vastly improved graphics.)

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #69 on: December 12, 2012, 07:09:43 PM »
I think Blizzard should just let WoW run its own course and try something new.  Weren't they working on some new MMO some time back?  Any news on that?

A Shadowrun RPG would be the best gaming news I've heard in years.

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #70 on: December 12, 2012, 07:11:38 PM »
I think Blizzard should just let WoW run its own course and try something new.  Weren't they working on some new MMO some time back?  Any news on that?

A Shadowrun RPG would be the best gaming news I've heard in years.

Project Titan. They're still keeping it firmly under wraps, no one knows anything about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28Blizzard_Entertainment_project%29

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #71 on: December 12, 2012, 07:14:08 PM »
Project Titan. They're still keeping it firmly under wraps, no one knows anything about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28Blizzard_Entertainment_project%29

Titan is like the cake.

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #72 on: December 12, 2012, 07:15:08 PM »
Eh, so we have some rumors and no hard evidence about a game that has apparently been in development since 2007?  Yeah, definitely just like the cake.

Pie is better any ways.

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #73 on: December 12, 2012, 07:16:34 PM »
Eh, so we have some rumors and no hard evidence about a game that has apparently been in development since 2007?  Yeah, definitely just like the cake.

Pie is better any ways.

It's classic Blizzard - they've got better information control/leak protection than the average government.

The cake is a lie, but pie is infinite.

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Re: So now that TOR is FTP...
« Reply #74 on: December 12, 2012, 07:49:39 PM »
http://www.shadowrun.com/
Shadowrun MMO got funding off of kickstart I believe back in June.