"Mind you, I don't remember the context, but when I say that, I bet I mean something different than it sounds like I mean.
This is the quote I used...
"I say this as a bisexual, anarchistic, agnostic polygamist: I am so over tolerance. I just am... I think it's mostly because we 'tolerate' gay people, and black people, and people of other religions. Personally, I think we ought to be respecting gay people (and straight up putting .44 calibers in the faces of everyone who doesn't), accepting the differences between any two races (and not pretending they don't exist in any way), and honestly, the things I'd do to religious people varies pretty greatly, but tolerance is not something I'd put on that list. I respect true Buddhists, and if you're Christian (like you are rick) and capable of being reasonably open-minded and not pushing your religion where it doesn't belong (like you rick), than good for you. However, I don't think I should tolerate Christians just because they aren't evangelists, because pretending that a lot of bullshit doesn't happen in the name of religion is beyond stupid."
Many apologies to you Ryuka. You are absolutely right and I should know better than to quote someone without showing the context to which it was written.
When I was still awaiting my approval to join Elliguiy I stubbled upon Rick's blog and just got absorbed into the stimulating posts. I took this quote from around the time Rick was upset at some guy who got booted off Elliguiy. Again, I apologize if I had used it out of context. Reading it again helped me see that you probably meant that people's beliefs either deserved to be respected or not at all and that tolerance should not even be an option. Do I understand you correctly? If so I admire your refusal to be politically correct. Also, if that was your true meaning then indeed I quoted you wrong. What shall it be, the rack or the strap?
So instead I will quote myself. I do not believe that tolerance is enough. Tolerance means your just being polite. You are pretty much saying, "well, I have to live in the same world as you and since I can't get rid of you I might as well deal with it". To me tolerance is that person who sneers at others but is afraid say a word against them. To me, tolerance is cowardice. If you don't agree with someone, then by all means voice it and stand by the values you've chosen to follow and be careful not to fall into the trap of bigotry that you have at length expressed your abhorrence. Now when I say that we need to respect other people’s beliefs, what I mean is that we need to respect the fact that they have the right to believe what they want to believe. And regardless of how you or I would view and/or react to their choices, they do not do it for our happiness, but for their own.
How did I come to this observation about respect? Let's just say that the Discovery Channel rocks. I was watching a documentary on nuns. There was one in particular that really stuck with me. She did not wear the usual garb and she was known as being a sort of "field nun". She worked directly with people in need. A lot of them were gay, transvestite prostitutes that were high on drugs at least 90% of the day. But here was this Catholic nun who treated these people with love and respect. She provided them with food, water, shelter, warm clothing, and most of all she provided her love. Did she know and understand that their choices in life were wrong according to the teachings of the Bible? Absolutely. But what I and probably this spectacular nun believes is that to love one another completely trumps all of the other teachings of the Bible. And if anyone were to choose to accept anything from that book, I hope they would chose that one in particular regardless of their opposition to its other teachings.
I will not tolerate or respect bigotry of any kind in the name of God (or anyone/anything else). I actively believe all people who truly believe in such bigotry, do not deserve the lives they have. I don't believe it would be immoral to take said lives from said people, because I have no value for their lives, and as people, they generally bring more negative value to the world than positive.
Now, do I have the same desire to completely wipe out certain ingrates from the face of the earth? Absolutely. However, I can see bigotry to be the least of my worries. Honestly, in a world of child molesters and rapists, why would bigots even be on my list? But I do agree that life on earth would be a lot more harmonious without them. As for those who claim to be bigots in the name of God, it is my opinion that they are in fact Godless.
Thing is, I don't think everyone deserves respect, especially not for their beliefs. I respect rick because I think he acts in a way that may even be contrary to his beliefs, and he remains open-minded.
I also see open-mindedness as a respectable trait and I applaud you Rick for obtaining this trait. However, I do not think that he (Rick) is entirely happy with acting contrary to his beliefs. And Rick please step in and let me know if I am completely wrong when I say this. I would think anyone who has chosen to believe in something would be a little upset with themselves for acting contrary to said belief. Its like someone deciding to completely eliminate meat from their diet because they are against the way the animals were treated, but then goes out and grab a cheeseburger from McDonald’s later that day. That person would feel guilty (I would think) every time they take a bite. We are all human here and we make our own decisions. And every one of us has made choices that make us feel disappointment at ourselves. Choices that go against what we believe. I know I have.
"I just want to make it clear, as I don't want to be quoted for something I said, if you don't actively agree with the intent behind it. You should know why I used the words I did."
Again, many apologies. Maybe if/when you have some time you could explain your quote better to me and I will try to clean up the mess I made of it.
"As for the rest of it, I disrespect Christians often because I don't think most of them are like rick at all. I think they have a little fear and doubt, but I have no reason to believe their not so ignorant that they do this intelligently. I think rick's faith is blind as well, but it doesn't hurt anyone, he won't let it if he can help it. I think he's a pretty terrible Christian, in the traditional sense. I think he's only a Christian by technicality. That is, he worships God and believes that Jesus is the savior and messiah. He doesn't believe a great deal of the other tenets of the religion, and I don't think he puts much stock in the Bible (or he picks and chooses which parts he agrees with, which is fine, because that means he's actually just choosing to live his life the way he thinks is best)."
You have every right to agree, disagree, love, hate any idea, religion, etc. as you see fit, Ryuka. And I can completely understand why you dislike so many Christians. We have not given a good name for ourselves. Christians are sly, backstabbing, greedy, slanderous and mean-spirited, but you can also say that about the general population, all religions aside. Are Christians pushy? Absolutely. Its no wonder that we are the largest religion in the world. So yes, Christians are very annoying (and I'm sorry if I'm giving you a prime example
As for Rick and his beliefs, I'll let him expand more on that himself.
"Faith isn't about finding answers, that alone tells me faith's a crock. What the hell, right? At this point, I'm the candid asshole, I might as well just say it. I'm not trying to start a debate or discussion here, I can't only be so candid before I really start being the asshole, and I don't need that grief. This is one of those places, however, where my discussion of non-tolerance comes in..."
*Thoroughly checking the thickness of skin*
Don't worry about the thickness of my skin, I can take it so be a gruff as you like. As for discussions, I enjoy them, but you do not I'll will drop the subject and won't bother you again. I still believe that having faith is not about seeking answers. It's about acceptance. Its about giving up everything for an idea, a belief. But the funny thing about it, is that only through faith will you receive answers. Again, these are all the thoughts that belong to my mind processes.