There's been a lot of specific info presented here about the Catholic Church that I didn't know, so that's been very positive and useful. I'm especially grateful to those of you who have been brave enough to defend the Church, whether as devils' advocates or not.
My personal issues with the rulings of the Catholic Church are more general than any individual case or even any individual issue (such as abortion). As my previous post suggested, I find several of the Church's decisions to be personally upsetting and morally indefensible, frankly, but I'm sure there are Catholics somewhere who are able to make at least enough peace with the Church's problematic behavior that they continue to attend mass and self-identify as Catholics. I want to better understand those people's perspectives on these issues.
I see no reason to put a straitjacket on expressions of opinion which stop short of true incivility. Emphatic speech serves a purpose, as does giving voice to repugnance and astonishment.
I agree with the second sentence there, and I'm not suggesting some sweeping censorship initiative. The mods overseeing this section of the site have to decide for themselves what constitutes permissible frankness and what crosses the line into incivility. Unfortunately, my personal impression is that the kind of derision heaped upon certain favorite targets at E would never be allowed if it were directed towards liberals or gay people or ethnic minorities. My ire gets up, perhaps too quickly, whenever I see that particular kind of discrimination; I think it's far too common in this section of the site.
Many individuals who feel marginalized or discriminated against elsewhere can relax and enjoy themselves around Elliquiy and not worry about getting attacked or denounced. It's one of the best things about Elliquiy -- maybe the very best
thing. I just wish there was more sensitivity to the way that the minorities in this
particular community are treated. In fact I think the gross lack of sensitivity at times in the past warrants a collective effort at increasing awareness about the kind of discrimination that can
and does happen here
, in my view.
And, what exactly is wrong with bashing the Church?
It seems like a way of expressing a dislike for the Church and inviting others to join rather than an attempt to start a debate, do you get what I mean?
IMO the people in the minority at Elliquiy are not those of certain ethnicities or those with liberal sexual mores; the latter group must be in the majority around here, and I've never seen racism of any kind here. What I have seen is far too many incredibly nasty comments about social, political, and religious conservatives, with American Republicans at the top of the list. Those
are the real minorities in this
virtual community, and they get bashed a lot in this section, without much restraint or deliberation of any kind, it seems.
I'm sorry if I'm being knee-jerk or oversensitive here. I don't think it bugs me just because I happen to be a very religious person; I think -- hope
-- it bugs me because bigotry and prejudice of any kind sucks, and I want to be vigilant in rooting it out, whether I happen upon it in a public place, or come to see it in my own heart or in one of my opinions. People who face discrimination in the larger society, as many Elliquians perhaps have, are just
the ones who should know
better than to allow it around here, I would hope. IMO, YMMV.
... And, now that I've finished my long-ass post, I see that Shjade made most of these points already, and probably better than I could.
+1 to what he said. Here's another great example of why I should read the whole
thread before writing a response. :)