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Offline SabbyTopic starter

Re: Elliquian Atheists
« Reply #350 on: September 30, 2012, 01:14:40 PM »
Geez, Christians cuddle all over the place, the second ONE Atheist thread has some cuddling we're imposing on their rights to Free Cuddling.

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Re: Elliquian Atheists
« Reply #351 on: September 30, 2012, 01:20:18 PM »
Having a religion is all well and good, as long as you don't wave it around in public or try to cram it down my throat uninvited.

Kind of like a penis.

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« Reply #352 on: September 30, 2012, 01:26:40 PM »
Yeah, but your dick didn't explode into all matter and declare that light plants exist before light, light before the sun, and stars and planets before space. I'd hope your dick was smarter then that :P

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Re: Elliquian Atheists
« Reply #353 on: September 30, 2012, 01:30:39 PM »
True - I try not to engage in spiritual bukakke.  ;D

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« Reply #354 on: September 30, 2012, 04:24:18 PM »
Spirit bukkake sounds pretty hot. Then I remember some of the Ghostbusters rule 34 out there.

Offline MasterMischief

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« Reply #355 on: September 30, 2012, 04:31:08 PM »
You guys are completely misunderstanding. We're not arguing over who believes the least, but over who gets the most pissed off when injustices are carried out because of religion. Which I think is a very healthy form of anger.

I am lazy.  I just want to get pissed off when any injustice is carried out.  I do not want to be bothered with discriminating.

Offline Hemingway

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« Reply #356 on: September 30, 2012, 07:03:01 PM »
I am lazy.  I just want to get pissed off when any injustice is carried out.  I do not want to be bothered with discriminating.

I think that's an admirable form of laziness.

Offline TheRaven

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« Reply #357 on: September 30, 2012, 09:36:37 PM »
Guten tag. Don't suppose I can get in on this unbeliever party?

Offline Stattick

Re: Elliquian Atheists
« Reply #358 on: September 30, 2012, 10:21:56 PM »
True - I try not to engage in spiritual bukakke.  ;D

Spirit bukkake sounds pretty hot. Then I remember some of the Ghostbusters rule 34 out there.


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Re: Elliquian Atheists
« Reply #359 on: September 30, 2012, 11:26:34 PM »


"Lets show this prehistoric bitch how we do things downtown~"

Offline MasterMischief

Re: Elliquian Atheists
« Reply #360 on: October 01, 2012, 01:43:42 PM »
"Lets show this prehistoric bitch how we do things downtown~"

They did not collect the money first.  They obviously don't know how things are done downtown.

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Re: Elliquian Atheists
« Reply #361 on: October 03, 2012, 08:50:59 AM »
It is difficult being in the bible belt sometimes. I would probably be disowned if my mother learned I was an atheist. I used to have this idea in my head that all people could be reasoned with. As I eased into adulthood, one thing became perfectly clear. Some people are idiots. I'm not saying that the religious are all dumb as bricks. I am saying, that the worst of the worst are most certainly unable to comprehend a world outside of their own.

The easiest way to picture it, is the film "The Matrix." Some people we're not ready to be unplugged from fantasy. Some would rather die in ignorance, than live with the burden of knowledge. Who am I really, to disrupt  the happiness of others? So in silence, I remain.

Offline Tamhansen

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« Reply #362 on: October 25, 2012, 01:37:46 PM »
It is difficult being in the bible belt sometimes. I would probably be disowned if my mother learned I was an atheist. I used to have this  idea in my head that all people could be reasoned with. As I eased into adulthood, one thing became perfectly clear. Some people are idiots. I'm not saying that the religious are all dumb as bricks. I am saying, that the worst of the worst are most certainly unable to comprehend a world outside of their own.

The easiest way to picture it, is the film "The Matrix." Some people we're not ready to be unplugged from fantasy. Some would rather die in ignorance, than live with the burden of knowledge. Who am I really, to disrupt  the happiness of others? So in silence, I remain.

I'm really really sorry, and disturbed to hear this. Fear to be who you are because your community might react badly, is both terrible, and unhealthy. Basically you're killing who you are in order to avoid being osstracised. or worse. Personally I would suggest finding a way to be yourself, either within your community or elsewhere. I believe it will add to your well being immensely. Of course I know that's easier said then done, and many other factors come into play. But remember there are people out there who could assist you if needed.

Barring that, at least know that you are accepted as an atheist here, and you are free to express your views, as much as the next person.

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Re: Elliquian Atheists
« Reply #363 on: October 25, 2012, 02:57:30 PM »
I've been thinking more in depth about various atheists, agnostics, and others I've met, and I've realized something.
Partly from watching Stephan Hawken on the science channel talking about why he does not believe in god and what he does believe in.

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"I am no priest, nor theologian, simply physicist, but I see no evidence for a time that a god may have existed, because before the big bang, time itself did not exist."
while I  would debate his idea of god as a physical being, as opposed to the idea that he is extra-dementional, and thus outside our universe, or may even be between multiple universes, thus outside our known laws of physics.

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"I believe that we have but one life, but that it is through us, and our intellect, that the universe may know itself. For that I am grateful."
That is an idea I  can appreciate, and when he said that near the end of the late night television special going over physics, I wanted to hug him.

I've realized It's just the nihilistic athiests that I cannot get along with. The "existence is pointless, stop believing in god, we're all just dust, accept it, suck and die like everyone else." crowd.

Offline SabbyTopic starter

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« Reply #364 on: October 25, 2012, 08:59:20 PM »
When it comes to 'coming out', I recently got a very nice story relayed to me through Twitter, which got expanded on in an episode of The Atheist Experience. I knew a while ago that the hosts (Matt Dilahunty) parents thought he was corrupted by Satan and so the whole family kind of disowned him. But a few weeks back, I read they were visiting him, and things were actually going pretty well. Tentative, but now they can socialize again, and the way he went about it was both saddening and kind of clever.

Basically, they've come to the conclusion that God does plan to save their son, just not now. He needs to go through certain trials and experiences to prepare first. All they can do is pray for their son now, content in the knowledge that his soul is in Gods hands and absolutely nothing will come of them pestering or distancing him from the family.

I was curious of peoples thoughts on this. It's a little depressing to me that the only way this one family can reunite is with such a patronizing undertone, but given the long history, could you really hope for more? If this were your parents, could you cope and still love them the same?

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« Reply #365 on: October 26, 2012, 03:32:37 AM »
I've been thinking more in depth about various atheists, agnostics, and others I've met, and I've realized something.
Partly from watching Stephan Hawken on the science channel talking about why he does not believe in god and what he does believe in.
while I  would debate his idea of god as a physical being, as opposed to the idea that he is extra-dementional, and thus outside our universe, or may even be between multiple universes, thus outside our known laws of physics.
That is an idea I  can appreciate, and when he said that near the end of the late night television special going over physics, I wanted to hug him.

I've realized It's just the nihilistic athiests that I cannot get along with. The "existence is pointless, stop believing in god, we're all just dust, accept it, suck and die like everyone else." crowd.

I guess on why believing in god is nonsensical this says it much better then any of us ever could George Carlin - Religion is bullshit.


Basically, they've come to the conclusion that God does plan to save their son, just not now. He needs to go through certain trials and experiences to prepare first. All they can do is pray for their son now, content in the knowledge that his soul is in Gods hands and absolutely nothing will come of them pestering or distancing him from the family.

I was curious of peoples thoughts on this. It's a little depressing to me that the only way this one family can reunite is with such a patronizing undertone, but given the long history, could you really hope for more? If this were your parents, could you cope and still love them the same?

Well at least they're sort of consistent. However if they really believed in god, they'd know from the get go, their son becoming an atheist is part of HIS plan. Everything that happens, every newborn baby, every rainbow, every sunfilled morning, every car accident, every murder every rape, every paedophile, and yes even something so unimaginably sick and twisted as an atheist

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« Reply #366 on: October 27, 2012, 06:37:51 PM »
Christ, whenever I read about people saying they'll be ostracised when it comes into light that they are atheists, I realize just what kind of Topsy-turvy land I live in. In Socialist Sweden, RELIGIOUS people are ridiculed!

I'm not kidding, I live in the hillbilly area of Sweden, where inbred, plaid-wearing guys stuff their faces with tobacco and drive around in old cars and they talk with the thickest of accents... And THEY are the most vehemently atheist people you can find anywhere (Socialist to boot(by American standards anyway)). If you're religious here? You're laugh at, and considered a loon. Agnostics are alright, but believers? They're mocked and made fun of. It took me 25 years before I found my first Fundamentalist Christian and he was from the "big city" of the region (ca. 8 000 inhabitants) and I was genuinely stunned, STUNNED when during a discussion about religion, it became clear that he believed that the act of God killing every first born in Egypt was justified, and that he believed the Flood being a reasonable explanation as to why there are no "dinosaurs, mammoths and sabre toothed tigers and such" any more.
The only reason why I don't chew the man out in a proper hot-blooded debate (well, man and man, he's 21) is because I have to work with him and I am always concious about working-group-harmony and dynamics.

It just boggles the mind that it is just so much the complete opposite of how you guys have it.

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« Reply #367 on: October 27, 2012, 09:52:10 PM »
Hmmm... I have heard it joked a lot that if the Terrorists hated Freedom so much, they'd have flew a plane into Sweden.

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Re: Elliquian Atheists
« Reply #368 on: October 28, 2012, 06:39:28 AM »
Heh, I don't know what to think about that one. Sounds like some typical dude who's only knowledge about Sweden was based off of Faux News. But that's just me assuming things.

Offline Tamhansen

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« Reply #369 on: October 28, 2012, 07:19:33 AM »
Well as far as civil liberities go, the scandinavian countries and the low countries are probably a lot ahead of the US. Especially when it comes to freedom of non religion.

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« Reply #370 on: October 28, 2012, 07:52:21 AM »
Freedom of Non-Religion... I approve of this term x3

Offline Tamhansen

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« Reply #371 on: October 28, 2012, 08:10:42 AM »
Freedom of Non-Religion... I approve of this term x3

Yes I'm even thinking of starting the first international church of Atheism, no doctrines, no rituals, just the same benefits all the religions are getting.Tax breaks, freedom of congregation, protection under the law.

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« Reply #372 on: October 28, 2012, 05:44:51 PM »
Christ, whenever I read about people saying they'll be ostracised when it comes into light that they are atheists, I realize just what kind of Topsy-turvy land I live in. In Socialist Sweden, RELIGIOUS people are ridiculed!

I'm not kidding, I live in the hillbilly area of Sweden, where inbred, plaid-wearing guys stuff their faces with tobacco and drive around in old cars and they talk with the thickest of accents... And THEY are the most vehemently atheist people you can find anywhere (Socialist to boot(by American standards anyway)). If you're religious here? You're laugh at, and considered a loon. Agnostics are alright, but believers? They're mocked and made fun of. It took me 25 years before I found my first Fundamentalist Christian and he was from the "big city" of the region (ca. 8 000 inhabitants) and I was genuinely stunned, STUNNED when during a discussion about religion, it became clear that he believed that the act of God killing every first born in Egypt was justified, and that he believed the Flood being a reasonable explanation as to why there are no "dinosaurs, mammoths and sabre toothed tigers and such" any more.
The only reason why I don't chew the man out in a proper hot-blooded debate (well, man and man, he's 21) is because I have to work with him and I am always concious about working-group-harmony and dynamics.

It just boggles the mind that it is just so much the complete opposite of how you guys have it.

*raises hand Waaaaaaayyyyy in the back*
The flood is pretty well not what killed the dinosaurs, though there was a massive flood in the middle east and eastern europe when a number of glacers cracked, melted, and unleashed a torrent of war in early pre-history. It's been proven in the geological record actually. It was the insperation for many of the flood stories that would later evolve.

However I have to correct this egyptian thing (for the upteenth time on various message boards) the OT is harsh, eye for an eye harsh, and god's got a sense of irony.

If you read deeper into it than just the plauges, Ramsies father slaughtered every child born in a single year to kill moses, and basicly when Moses is sent to Ramsies the final time the paroah basicly declares (in more flowery biblical terms) that "unless the plauges stop, I'll send my soldiers to kill every first born jewish child, just like my father did." so god let him pick his own final plauge. Ramsies got all kingly pissed off, shot his mouth off, and was about to order what we would nowadays call genoside.

Basicly imagine Stalin signing a death warrent for millions, and his own party supporters suddenly dying of frostbite that night.

I've studied sociology & history, and judging from what I can gather religious beliefs are on the rise worldwide, however we see Civic Faith (AKA: having faith as part of a community) trumping Fundimentalist Faith (Faith being used to explain all of existance) and it's been moving that direction since the late 60's.

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« Reply #373 on: October 28, 2012, 06:49:13 PM »
We are not talking about a man with his finger on the plague button though.  We are, at least in theory, talking about an all knowing, all powerful and supposedly compassionate god.  I am a lowly mortal and even I can think of a few less violent ways for my will to be done.

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Re: Elliquian Atheists
« Reply #374 on: October 28, 2012, 10:09:10 PM »
We are not talking about a man with his finger on the plague button though.  We are, at least in theory, talking about an all knowing, all powerful and supposedly compassionate god.  I am a lowly mortal and even I can think of a few less violent ways for my will to be done.

Right you can... Now...

The world is a far diffrent place than it used to be, it doesn't matter who, either you, or "god loves rich people" Pat Roberson, are more scientific, informed, and humane.

Prior to the cold war the world was a far more brutal, savage, and violent place. (it still is sometimes) Especally during the pre-classical era. (we could debate the reasons for this, but let's not get off track)

There was no such thing as "human rights" "Common Law" or "shared humanity" that we think of today.
We are talking about a world where crusifixion by the romans was concidered a legal form of execution, not only that, it was concidered as an acceptable method compared to celtic and germanic practices such as filling a wicker statue with injured and defeated enemies and lighting it on fire so that the gods would favor them in the next battle. Let alone the pre-christian Saxon and Goth Tribes who sacrificed the women and children of enemy tribes to the god Tyz. Of course if you defeated the followers of a god in battle, it was also implied that yours was superior.

Brutal world= harsh religion= harsh justice.

As we've grown up as a species, I'd like to think our understanding of god has as well.
Say what you want about the romans, and the later cathloics, but they were a stepping stone forward from what came before, and the enlightenment was a step up from that (but was tainted by colonializim and racisim which was intentionally supported by the science of the day that we know to be bupkiss), then came the industrial age, (and two world wars, yet the horrors yielded a good deal of change) then the atomic age (overshadowed by the threat of Nuclear war, yet also had the civil rights movement) and we are now in the modern age.
Each time we've stepped forward our understanding of god has moved with us, and been reinvented, it's also become more humane as we've become less inhuman to each other. though as always some parts of the world have moved faster than others (Europe & Japan ahead of the US, India, & China, US, India, & China ahead of many places in the middle east, and even the middle east is generally better off than some of the worst parts of south america and africa.)