Ok, so according to your first point Martin did not have a right to be there?
He has a right to be there, but he had never been in that neighborhood before so Zimmerman had no way to have any idea who he was. That was my point.
Wrong. His father lived in that gated community, which gives him every right to be there and to be able to walk through the community without Barney Fife stalking him.
as the teen was trying to get back to the home of his father’s girlfriendhttp://tucsoncitizen.com/usa-today-news/2012/04/14/trayvon-martins-dad-says-he-warned-son/
His father stayed with his girlfriend who lived there on the weekends. Suspended for possession of marijuana, Trayvon was spending his first weekend there ever.
Second, there is nothing illegal about wearing hoodies and if you try to say that gave Zimmerman grounds to immediately target him as a suspect, then you need help. It was raining. Pretty damn good reason to wear a hood if you ask me. Three, is it a crime to walk between buildings? If so, I am breaking the law every time I walk to the mailboxes at the front of the complex.
No, but to any reasonable person the face obscuring clothing and walking between houses is more than enough cause to gain attention. Especially in a community that had recently experienced break-ins.
kind of stalking Zimmerman did is what Kataban posted.
Your arguing semantics. There is no penal code that addresses following someone on a public street, one time.
Zimmerman made it a point to follow Martin even after being told the police did not need him to. Zimmerman made the choice to ignore what the police dispatcher told him.
- #1) a 911 dispatcher is not a peace officer and their word doesn’t carry the weight of the law
- #2) the 911 dispatcher did not say: no don’t follow him. They said: we don’t need you to do that.
- #3) Zimmerman’s account has always been that at that point, he lost sight of Trayvon and returned to his truck.
my opinion, that right there removes any right to use Stand Your Ground as a defense against prosecution
In Florida, Stand Your Ground is not a defense; it’s an immunity from prosecution. You'd know that had you bothered to actually google the text of the law.
you don’t have to be white to be racist so this whole trying to point out he is not Caucasian is ridiculous.
Really. Google the phrase “White Hispanic.” It is a ludicrous term that was created solely to infer racist intentions on Zimmermans part.
There is also 911 calls that experts have analyzed and said it was Martin screaming for help.
Ed Primeau was the first “expert.” I have detailed his “awesome” “technique” below:
He listened to the audio tape of the screams and concluded: "I believe that's Trayvon Martin in the background, without a doubt." He said emphatically: "That's a young man screaming."http://digitaljournal.com/article/322204
I don’t care how much of an expert you claim to be, you can’t tell a scream to a scientific certainty using sound enhancement and listening by ear.
Tom Owens, the second “expert” whose forensic qualifications include a Bachelors in historyhttp://www.owlinvestigations.com/pdf/TOM_OWEN_Vitae_01_2011.pdf
uses a computer program, that utilizes a technique called voice biometric analysis. Not only is voice biometric analysis itself not proved itself to be scientifically certain, but Tom Owen’s used only Zimmerman’s voice recorded in the 911 call, which is way to small of a voice sample for his program to be accurate.legalinsurrection.com/2012/04/audio-expert-in-martin-case-demanded-at-least-six-similar-voice-exemplars-in-prior-case/
I’ll tell you right now, if I am walking home at night and someone is following me that I do not know and I cannot get away from them, I am going to do my damned best to physically harm them.
If someone was following you, on a public street, you would commit felony battery? This is the millionth time I have heard this sentiment expressed, but I cannot pin down its logical justification. Additionally, even if we assume that it is OK to beat people who follow us, half to death, how do you figure out the difference between someone is following you and someone merely walking behind you?
Zimmerman has had run ins with the law before.
Don’t we all?
Has had reports from others that he has followed them without just cause and has been violent.
I would like a source for this claim. I have tried to find it myself, and have been unsuccessful.
He might have called the POLICE directly only 7 times.. but he's on record for something like 40 calls to 9/11 over the last 2 years.
No. It's seven times in the last 6 months, some to 911 and some to the polices none emergency line. The total number is 46 in the last eight years. That breaks down to about one call every two months. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/23/did-trayvon-shooter-abuse-911.html