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Offline SilentScreams

Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2012, 10:39:16 AM »
While SOPA/PIPA was defeated the march towards internet censorship, and censorship in general, has already begun again. Yesterday the Washington Times had an article based on a "report" basically saying that the internet can radicalize an American Muslim in "as little as two years." That's interesting....sounds like a very scientific study. Oh, the study was attached to an arm of Homeland Security. They want to muzzle us and appealing to our ideas of fairness didn't work (the piracy angle) so now they are going back to the tried and true method of "saving" us from "terrorism."

Offline Jórunnr

Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2012, 01:54:36 PM »
In my opinion, I believe that SOPA and PIPA were meant to distract the large force of the internet from NDAA. Pretty much now, if they believe you are a terrorist (which they never clarify what they can consider as suspicious activity) they can detain you for an indefinite amount of time.

Offline SilentScreams

Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2012, 06:37:15 PM »
Unless you live in Virginia. The Virginia house passed a state law forbidding detention of Americans by the federal government within the territorial limits of Virginia.

Online Callie Del Noire

Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2012, 06:41:53 PM »
Unless you live in Virginia. The Virginia house passed a state law forbidding detention of Americans by the federal government within the territorial limits of Virginia.

I don't see the Feds letting that fly. Be interesting to see how it goes. Maybe the writers set it up to push the law straight into the Supreme Court.

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Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2012, 06:50:26 PM »
Unless you live in Virginia. The Virginia house passed a state law forbidding detention of Americans by the federal government within the territorial limits of Virginia.

I've heard they aren't the only state/city/municipality doing so.

Offline Jórunnr

Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2012, 06:51:40 PM »
Well, Jersey's done sh*t.

Offline SilentScreams

Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2012, 07:00:00 PM »
It will be interesting to watch what happens. They law might be designed specifically to get NDAA before the Supreme Court. Virginia is not the only state doing it, they were just the first and, to my knowledge, still the only state to have gotten passed it.

Offline Jórunnr

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« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2012, 07:07:16 PM »
The NDAA is definitely crazy.

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Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2012, 07:08:21 PM »
States that have introduced legislation specifically targeted at NDAA:

Maryland - HJ0012 - Introduced Feb 10
West Virginia - HB4627 - Introduced Feb 20
Missouri - SB819 - Introduce Feb 22  (fixed typo)
Tennessee - HB2619 and SB2669 - Introduced Jan 17
Oklahoma - HCR 1025 - Introduced Feb 6
Washington - HB2759 - Introduced Jan 31
Utah - SCR11 - Introduced Feb 22
Arizona - SB1182 - Introduced Feb 13 - Passed Senate Feb 16
Arizona - SCR1011 - Introduced Feb 13 - Passed Senate Feb 16

Virginia was the first state to pass it with HB1160, Introduced Jan 16 -  Passed House Feb 14, passed Senate Feb 28

Districts that have passed resolutions at present are:

Fairfax, CA
Fremont County, CO
Weld County, CO
El Paso County, CO
Town of Macomb, NY
Northampton, MA
New Shoreham, RI
« Last Edit: March 04, 2012, 09:16:39 PM by Oniya »

Offline Jórunnr

Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2012, 07:10:41 PM »
Thanks for the info Oniya!  ;D

Online TheGlyphstone

Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2012, 07:16:07 PM »
Any idea who introduced the various bills? I'd be curious to see how strongly the Democrats are holding the party line on this.

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Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2012, 07:31:03 PM »
I suppose that one could go to the various state .gov  sites and look them up.  I found these compiled on a site about tenth-amendment issues.

Offline SilentScreams

Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2012, 09:05:41 PM »
Maryland - HJ0012 - Michael A. McDermott (R) dist. 38B - Michael D. Smigiel (R)(Tea Party Caucus) dist. 36

West Virginia - HB4627 - Carol Miller (R)- Kelli Sobonya (R) - Rick Snuffer (R) - Kinda Sumner (R) - Brian Savilla (R) - Larry Kump (R)

Missouri - SB891 - This Missouri Bill (without reading it so maybe the NDAA section is a rider) seems to be about Telecommunications and the Dept. of Transportation

Tennessee - HB2619 and SB2669 - Bill Dunn (R) - Sen. Stacey Campfield (R)

Oklahoma - HCR 1025 - Charles Key (R)

Washington - HB2759 - Jason Overstreet (R) - Matt Shea (R) - Vincent Buys (R) - Cary Condotta (R) -
David Taylor (R)- Jim McCune (R)

Utah - SCR11 - Todd Weiler (R) - Daniel McCay (R)

Arizona - SB1182 - Sylvia Allen (R)

Arizona - SCR1011 - Sylvia Allen (R)

Virginia - HB1160 - Robert G. Marshall (R)

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Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2012, 09:16:10 PM »
Sorry - typo on the Missouri bill.  It was 819.  (going to fix it in the original post)

Online TheGlyphstone

Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2012, 09:18:48 PM »
Well, that answers that question.

Online Callie Del Noire

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« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2012, 10:04:34 PM »
Well, that answers that question.

Seems like they are drinking the koolaide just fine.. though it's strange since it pretty much goes against everything they (supposedly) stand for.

Online TheGlyphstone

Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2012, 10:53:36 PM »
Seems like they are drinking the koolaide just fine.. though it's strange since it pretty much goes against everything they (supposedly) stand for.

Principles < Party solidarity. Particularly in an election year, it'd be political suicide for any Democrat to break ranks with the President even for something this deviant to their ideals.

Online Callie Del Noire

Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2012, 09:33:37 PM »
Amazing how RIAA forgot him huh? Yet they are all about THEIR copyrights and royalties. This is another example of the 'creative accounting' that the record companies are INFAMOUS for.

The gentleman behind the golden record is Lester Chambers, of the Chamber Brothers. And he's only one of HUNDREDS of recording artists who RIAA's backers have bilked, lied and stolen from.

« Last Edit: March 05, 2012, 09:41:59 PM by Callie Del Noire »

Offline Chris Brady

Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #43 on: March 06, 2012, 02:37:33 PM »
Sadly, Callie, for some of us this is old news.  In fact, quite a few bands nowadays are going solo, and self-publishing, saving their own asses from this sort of treatment.  Hell, the book publishing industry isn't any different either.

Online Callie Del Noire

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« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2012, 03:04:44 PM »
Sadly, Callie, for some of us this is old news.  In fact, quite a few bands nowadays are going solo, and self-publishing, saving their own asses from this sort of treatment.  Hell, the book publishing industry isn't any different either.

I know.. but it still galls me that those shills can scream about THEIR money when they do everything they can to screw their OWN talent.

Offline Chris Brady

Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #45 on: March 06, 2012, 10:41:09 PM »
I hear ya man, I wish I could do something and shove stories like this into their faces.

Online Callie Del Noire

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« Reply #46 on: March 06, 2012, 11:00:39 PM »
I hear ya man, I wish I could do something and shove stories like this into their faces.

I know that they (the record companies) have let at LEAST 2 bluesmen die rather than pay medical insurance.

Offline Serephino

Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #47 on: March 07, 2012, 01:42:59 AM »
They keep saying the poor artists deserve their royalties.  Maybe they should put their money where their mouth is.

Online Callie Del Noire

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« Reply #48 on: March 07, 2012, 02:00:12 AM »
Yeah.. well they've been lying to the artists and government for years over this. Why change now?

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Re: SOPA/PIPA officially on ice. Let's hope that's where they stay >:
« Reply #49 on: March 07, 2012, 02:04:19 AM »
I wonder if it would be feasible for music download sites to funnel money directly to the artists.  I imagine that a price that would cover the supposed royalties (that the publishing companies aren't paying) would be far less than the price that publishing companies claim they need to charge (even though no physical media changes hands).