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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2011, 02:35:23 PM »
Point-for-optimization point, Paladins and Monks are the weakest core classes...you can make them good, but you can make any other class as good or better for the same amount of effort.

It also depends on context - if the Fighter likes to carry a Tower Shield and Full Plate, and thinks standing in one place and waving his longsword will convince the monsters to hit him instead of the squishies (and the DM agrees), the Wizard likes spamming Magic Missile and Fireball, and the Cleric only memorizes Cure spells, a Monk can indeed look good.
Ah yeah, for point buy definitely. Proof that the game was set up for rolls. :\

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2011, 02:42:40 PM »
Ah yeah, for point buy definitely. Proof that the game was set up for rolls. :\

Well, I wasn't referring to point-buy by 'point-for-point', but it's true that both of said classes suffer significantly under Point-Buy because of their severe MAD. Even with maxed-out stats, though, the Paladin is still an utterly boring chassis devoid of any relevant or meaningful abilities after level 5, and the Monk is a schizophrenic heap of every kung-fu movie cliche ever with negative synergy. It wants to do too many things, and ends up being mediocre at all of them.

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2011, 02:47:19 PM »
Pretty much. If you guys prefer, we could go with Pathfinder classes, though I'd have to say the basic set and psionics only in that case because I have only played PF two or three times.

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2011, 02:50:03 PM »
If you've played 3.5, you've played PF. The only differences worth caring about are skills (which changed for the better) and Combat Maneuvers (grossly simplified, and severely weakened in the process).

Using PF's a good idea anyways, the base classes have more abilities and can be much more fun to play, even if they didn't significantly change the power differentials.

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2011, 02:59:48 PM »
Well, I don't have any Path Finder materials or anything...
So, I guess I'm out if that's what you guys decide.

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2011, 03:01:21 PM »
Well, I don't have any Path Finder materials or anything...
So, I guess I'm out if that's what you guys decide.

Yes you do.

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2011, 03:03:42 PM »
Well, I don't have any Path Finder materials or anything...
So, I guess I'm out if that's what you guys decide.

 There's the SRD, which has plenty of material.

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2011, 03:06:01 PM »
There's the SRD, which has plenty of material.
You're going to have to de-abbreviate SRD for me.

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2011, 03:08:37 PM »
System Reference Document. Glyphstone linked it in his post. It has all the relevant information for building a Pathfinder character and it's what I use when I can't mooch a book from a friend for a day or two.

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2011, 03:23:15 PM »
I'm reading it and there's just enough new terms and stuff that really throws me off.

Like a level one pathfinder monks gets both stunning fist and improved grapple?

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2011, 03:24:33 PM »
Pathfinder is essentially a collection of houserules put together in the form of a published work. You can read through Unearthed Arcana and find much of the same stuff.

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2011, 03:29:34 PM »
Pathfinder is essentially a collection of houserules put together in the form of a published work. You can read through Unearthed Arcana and find much of the same stuff.
I kind of got that vibe, I guess I'm just not familiar enough with it though. Like CMD. I found it in the glossary, but I have no idea how to determine it.

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2011, 03:34:54 PM »
Combat Maneuvers are things like bull rushing, tripping, and disarming.

 Your CMB (Combat Maneuver Bonus) is Strength + Base Attack Bonus. Your CMD (Combat Maneuver Defense) is 10+ Strength Bonus + Dexterity Bonus. Both have modifiers applied based on size in a 1:1 increment.

 CMD is used to opposed CMB. To break it down, it is a separate attack and defense form for doing things other than hitting people with a stick or throwing fireballs.

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #38 on: December 14, 2011, 04:14:22 PM »
So they basically took things like bullrush and charge and gave them their own values?

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2011, 04:18:19 PM »
So they basically took things like bullrush and charge and gave them their own values?

More that they took things like Bullrush and Charge and made it so you roll against a fixed target number, instead of making it an opposed check where both sides roll dice. It makes them much harder at low levels, and a bit easier at high levels.

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2011, 04:20:32 PM »
More that they took things like Bullrush and Charge and made it so you roll against a fixed target number, instead of making it an opposed check where both sides roll dice. It makes them much harder at low levels, and a bit easier at high levels.
I don't suppose you'd know where I could procure some Pathfinder PDFs?

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2011, 04:22:58 PM »
The Paizo website or, I believe, DriveThruRPG. Can't give you a suggestion on anything else of course.

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2011, 04:23:16 PM »
I don't suppose you'd know where I could procure some Pathfinder PDFs?

You can get everything Paizo has published for Pathfinder except its adventure modules 100% legal and for free at the SRD that I linked above.

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #43 on: December 14, 2011, 05:27:14 PM »
Okay... skills. I don't get pathfinders use of skill ranks.

EDIT: Never mind, it finally clicked.
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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #44 on: December 14, 2011, 05:39:40 PM »
It's just like 3.5, except with the following:

 Max ranks = Hit Die
 Class skills = +3 bonus to skills
 If you are in your favored class, +1 skill point a level or +1 hit point.

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #45 on: December 14, 2011, 07:34:51 PM »
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=353190

That should take you to the pathfinder version of the essentially same character.
I need to know starting cash and traits, but I think I've got it down. :D

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #46 on: December 14, 2011, 07:50:57 PM »
Max starting gold for your character. And please list when you got your feat (1st level, human bonus, monk bonus, etc).

 You also get to pick a favored class. If you pick monk. you get an additional +1 skill point or hit point per level. Also, as a human, you get an additional skill point.

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #47 on: December 14, 2011, 08:00:15 PM »
Like this:

Feat name (1st. Lvl feat)
Feat name (human bonus feat)
etc.

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #48 on: December 14, 2011, 08:01:54 PM »

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Re: Starting small: Undermountain 3.5 (looking for players)
« Reply #49 on: December 14, 2011, 08:10:37 PM »
Ink, take the Hungry Ghost monk archtype. It's fantastic.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/monk/archetypes/paizo---monk-archetypes/hungry-ghost-monk
Er... lawful good, but other than that it's a case of keeping it simple.

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=353190

That should be the updated.