I grew up on a council estate as well Eden.
You are not the only one who grew up below the poverty line - many did and many do - it's not an excuse for the madness we all witnessed the past few days.
To say that my views and opinions come across as ignorant is in itself a highly ignorant thing to say.
You are asking us to feel sorry for those who are out there destroying lives because there is an underlying problem -
what exactly is their solution to this problem? a riot
What is yours??
I'm tired of listening to the procrastinations of those who feel sorry for these thugs.
You seem to be blaming those living below the poverty line for the riots and yet plenty of the youths have mobiles etc and don't seem to be very poor at all to me.
In other words - I don't believe it is a 'poverty' issue.
pulling this discussion into a personal bashing on my views is inconsequential and now to say that the media won't tell us the truth after linking us to so much of it, is in itself ridiculous.
Word of mouth can be distorted to suit either angle.
and now don't believe anything anyone tells us?
what is it you're trying to say Eden because quite frankly your word of mouth is confusing.
I deplore how these rioters have behaved.
I deplore their inane violence against innocent people and their property.
I do not believe that they acted out of good conscience in that they did it as an act of protest.
I think I've made my views quite clear that time.
And I agree completely Oniya - any of the rioters I've seen on the news all mumbled incoherently their speel about the government but then were quite clear when it came to what they managed to steal - this again was even seen on one of the links from Eden.
discussion is over for me - I'm heading to Wales for a week.
Will still be following the news closely however and hoping that there won't be another night of riots and violence for the people of England.
All of whom are in my thoughts.