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Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« on: April 29, 2011, 01:22:28 AM »
Superman renounces his US citizenship - at least he threatens to do so in the new Action Comics issue. His non-violent protest against the Iranian regime is labeled an American act of war and superman decides to distance himself from Washington. "I don't want my actions to be put down because of their being construed as tools of U.S. policy" is his rationale.

- http://tinyurl.com/3zapp7z

Predictably, the story provoked serious anger among right-wing bloggers. I'm waiting to hear Sarah Palin and Bill O'Reilly on this.

Standout comment on the Guardian site: "If Superman really existed and had been raised in America's bible belt the world would be a scary place"  ;D
« Last Edit: April 29, 2011, 01:47:47 AM by gaggedLouise »

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Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2011, 03:27:38 AM »
Frankly, "The American Way" has changed so much since the 20's that I'm glad for this change. I am reminded when Marvel had Captain America get asked for a reporter how he can truly stand for American Ideals when he doesn't have a facebook page or watch NASCAR.

The American Way now-a-days aren't anything worth fighting for. What was once Truth, Justice, and Freedom, now just means selling out for large corporations and other morally disgusting crap to make a buck.

Good for you Superman. Maybe we don't really stand for anything anymore, but Superman still can.

Pardon my cynicism.

Offline Pointless Digression

Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2011, 05:13:56 AM »
Wait a tic. Isn't Superman an illegal immigrant?

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Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2011, 06:24:55 AM »
Wait a tic. Isn't Superman an illegal immigrant?

Are you suggesting the U.S. failed to offer diplomatic recognition of the planet Krypton?  ;D

Offline Sabby

Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2011, 07:10:15 AM »
Recognition? For something that blew up?

Offline consortium11

Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2011, 11:01:27 AM »
Its worth noting that not so long ago Krypton (or at least New Krypton) declared war on the Earth...

Marvel also got some flack from the right wing for having Captain America (although it may have been Bucky at the time) basically give a tongue lashing to some heavily negatively stereotyped tea-party members.

When comic books writers handle politics they normally lay it on pretty thick regardless of what opinions they hold.

Offline Pointless Digression

Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2011, 08:11:57 AM »
Are you suggesting the U.S. failed to offer diplomatic recognition of the planet Krypton?  ;D

Congratulations. You made my head explode when I stopped to consider the complications in statesmanship in the comic book universe.

Offline Tamhansen

Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2011, 02:13:48 PM »
Actually Superman was legally adopted as an abandoned orphan. Hence he had a SSN, so he could get a job at the planet.

As for Sarah palin, maybe she will like an ambassadrial post with her important allies "the north koreans " :P

Offline Zakharra

Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2011, 06:18:02 PM »
Actually Superman was legally adopted as an abandoned orphan. Hence he had a SSN, so he could get a job at the planet.

 Wasn't Clark Kent the one that was adopted? Superman is his susperhero identity. Or is the fact he is Clark Kent public knowledge now?

Offline Tamhansen

Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2011, 06:33:26 PM »
Not sure. But it still makes him legal. That and he was once made citizen a long time ago. back in the 40's or so

Offline Sel Nar

Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2011, 07:32:21 PM »
Actually, back in the early 70's, the UN passed a motion to grant Superman Citizenship in every recognised nation of the world.

(Also, the line '... and the American way' was only added to his mantra in 1942, 3 years after his introduction.)

Offline Pointless Digression

Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2011, 07:48:04 PM »
(Also, the line '... and the American way' was only added to his mantra in 1942, 3 years after his introduction.)

In other words, for 'only' 96% of the time the character has existed.

Offline Sel Nar

Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2011, 08:12:38 PM »
Be that as it may, it was originally added as patriotism due to the US' involvement in WW2.

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Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2011, 04:34:01 AM »
Be that as it may, it was originally added as patriotism due to the US' involvement in WW2.
The last time "The american way" wasn't a four letter word. Superman is a known apolitical anyway. Remember Superman 4.

Offline Shjade

Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2011, 02:28:54 PM »
Actually, back in the early 70's, the UN passed a motion to grant Superman Citizenship in every recognised nation of the world.
If that's the case his having a U.S. citizenship is irrelevant since he's no more a citizen there than anywhere else. Suggests the writers for this particular incident are unaware of his being a citizen of the world.

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Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2011, 02:42:29 PM »
Be that as it may, it was originally added as patriotism due to the US' involvement in WW2.

My point is, he's been fighting for the American Way longer than he's been flying.

Offline Zeitgeist

Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2011, 12:01:46 AM »
Reading the replies to this and have to wonder, are (Americans) really this narcissistic and self-loathing? Really? No, as a country we are not perfect, but I hate to break it to you, no one is. Nevertheless people risk their lives to come here, hell they risk the lives of their children for a chance here. I don't know know what that tells you, but it tells me everywhere else must suck more.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2011, 12:10:46 AM by Zamdrist of Zeitgeist »

Offline Wyrd

Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2011, 12:08:00 AM »
*Reads title post.* OMG Ya'll!!! Sups is renouncing his American citizenship!!?? THis Matters!! *Blows imaginary brains out now that super man is no better then those damn Commies!*
« Last Edit: May 25, 2011, 12:10:55 AM by Wyrd »

Offline Callie Del Noire

Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2011, 12:14:39 AM »
Reading the replies to this and have to wonder, are (Americans) really this narcissistic and self-loathing? Really? No, as a country we are not perfect, but I hate to break it to you, no one is. Nevertheless people risk their lives to come here, hell they risk the lives of their children for a chance here. I don't know know what that tells you, but it tells me everywhere else must suck more.

It's more of the reasoning for the action.

Was it done to make a point to those 'meanies' in Washington like the whole Ultimates 2 comic series was a off hand smack to our actions in Iraq?

Or was it a commercial move by the studios in preparation for another attempt at a movie (Widening the market appeal by taking out the national identity elements, like they did with the slight color change in the costume in the last movie. The color of it was changed to NOT reflect the American Flag's colors)

It wasn't for the sake of a story element. It wasn't part of an on going storyline. It was a pointed move on the behalf of the editorial staff at DC, though it's not given WHY they did it.

Me? I think they did it to 'widen world appeal by making Supes a 'world hero' and not an 'American' one' (Or something similar in studio speak)
« Last Edit: May 25, 2011, 12:16:10 AM by Callie Del Noire »

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Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2011, 05:28:34 PM »

Me? I think they did it to 'widen world appeal by making Supes a 'world hero' and not an 'American' one' (Or something similar in studio speak)

This is my opinion but I think comic book artists, writers and editors, being a part of the artist genre, are generally speaking left leaning, and thus a measure self-effacing, loathing mindset creeps into the stories. There are exceptions of course but that's how I see it. That said I actively buy, and read a fair number of issues myself.

Offline Callie Del Noire

Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2011, 05:50:20 PM »
This is my opinion but I think comic book artists, writers and editors, being a part of the artist genre, are generally speaking left leaning, and thus a measure self-effacing, loathing mindset creeps into the stories. There are exceptions of course but that's how I see it. That said I actively buy, and read a fair number of issues myself.

Yeah like the editor in chief at marvel a few years ago when the killed Steve Rogers saying on TV that he was an out dated relic that was relevant in the modern world. Lots of servicemen got pissed at that considering Cap reflects how we should be in Uniform a lot better than say... Deadpool or the Punisher.

Offline Wyrd

Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2011, 05:54:48 PM »
Captain America clearly wasn't that out of date. I mean they brought him back and what not. :P

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Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2011, 05:56:53 PM »
Like we needed a reason to hate Quasada. I loved it when his in-comic arguement boiled down to "he doesn't know about Youtube and Nascar, he obviously doesn't know anything about the core values of America anymore".

And Zam, lefties aren't self-loathing. Only looking out at the direction America is taking and giving a collected "What the Hell, Hero?"

Offline Callie Del Noire

Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2011, 08:09:35 AM »
And.. without fanfare.. Supes dances back into the US citizenship.

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Re: Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2011, 08:24:52 AM »
So what way did the story progress then?