On the rising plague of right-wing violence.

[Adam Floyd]

My husband and I woke up on that fateful November morning 2016, and the first thing we did was check the news to see that Trump had won.  We made our cups of coffee and sat on the porch stunned. He says to me, “I haven’t felt this way since 9/11.”  I said to him, “I was thinking the exact same thing.”

My transgender son had recently finished Navy bootcamp under the Obama era policy change to accept transgender people into the military.  Now, the new Commander and Chief had gotten in bed with the fundamentalist Christians.  My son was treated very poorly and forced to live as a woman for the entirety of his time in the Navy.

Come to find out, my whole extended family voted for Trump, even though they knew my son was already having to deal with Texas Republicans and some Democrats trying to ban transgender people from public spaces by drafting unreasonable and dangerous bathroom bills.

In my opinion, women, over 50% of the population, have been the biggest losers in this fight against the extreme right-wing and fundamentalist Christians.  Women went from having the first President to call himself a feminist, to the first President who claimed to grab women by their genitals.  Someone mentioned that domestic violence went up and why wouldn’t it when the President had physically and sexually abused his own ex-wife.  They want women to make their babies while cutting their insurance and closing down the only women’s healthcare facilities available to many women who are poor.  Women all over the country who have been sexually abused were retraumatized by the over 60 million Americans who either listened to the Russian propaganda or listened to their fundy (fundamentalist), filthy rich, televised preachers. There aren’t enough therapists for the substantial increase in mental health problems. Do I even have to mention what they did to Roe v Wade? The clock was set decades back, and women are now farther away from equality than they were before.

Fundamentalism doesn’t come only from Christians.  All three Abrahamic fundamentalist religions have crushed women for thousands of years.  The idea of a church state horrifies me.  I also have a daughter and fear for her safety.  It was already unsafe before, for women and for all minority groups.  Talk to anyone who isn’t brainwashed by this wave and they can tell you how something got worse for them.  One major way is the division it has caused inside families.

I can’t believe I’m posting about politics lol.  Ya’ll won’t see me in this section often because I’d rather escape from it in a site like this.

[Azy]

And worst of all, the January 6th riot.  Liberal people in this country were not happy when Trump was declared the winner in 2016, but we didn't act that way.  Yeah, there was talk of a stolen election, but I think that was mostly in reference to Russian interference.  The capitol building was not stormed in an effort to overturn the results.  Yeah, we wanted him out, but Democrats were looking at things like the 25th Amendment, aka legal ways of removing him. 

It went from your woman lost, get over it and fuck your feelings, to fuck the Constitution.  We want what we want and nothing is going to stand in our way.   

[gaggedLouise]

Just wanted to point out that this landmark film on the topic can be watched for free on Youtube (at least for now - no idea how long it will remain up). Gregory Peck's performance as Atticus Finch is one of the high points of his career, and the film as a whole is both poetic, exciting and intensely revealing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS_nqbtborc

[Vekseid]

Well this has happened.

I wonder how many innocent people will get murdered before radicalization is actually tackled as a problem.

[Mr Self Destruct]

I love watching people lose their mind over politics. The fear mongering and rhetoric is driving people mad. Like his first term led to war, concentration camps, and murder of the LGBT! 

Oh wait. Those things didn't happen! Weird. It's almost like every single dem voter was....gasp!... lying?! 

Damn. The hypocrisy knows no bonds. 

[Blythe]

I love watching people lose their mind over politics. The fear mongering and rhetoric is driving people mad. Like his first term led to war, concentration camps, and murder of the LGBT!

Oh wait. Those things didn't happen! Weird. It's almost like every single dem voter was....gasp!... lying?!

Damn. The hypocrisy knows no bonds.

Concentration camps, you say? I wonder what you would call rounding up people of a certain type and holding them in inhumane and cruel conditions.

Oh yeah. Wait. Might be something like this.

War? So we're just not going to talk about Syria in 2017. Or the escalation of the Russo-Ukraine war, for example.

And apparently we're just not going to talk about the trade war with China he initiated back then either? The consequences of that rhetoric and those actions are affecting us now with his wild insistence on this new tariff bullshit.

Or the rise in murder of trans people during Trump's first term? Pretty much doubled, and he poisoned the well culturally so badly that it stayed higher after his term ended. But y'know, if getting shot isn't murder, I'm honestly not sure what you call murder.   

Weird. It's almost like Trump supporters were....gasp!... in denial?!

Damn. The hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[Aiden]

Awww did someone get so triggered they had to revive an old post to voice some S-tier alternative facts? 

[Oniya]

I'm not sure what the purpose of your post is.

Are you somehow surprised that a diverse, international community might be concerned about the xenophobic rantings of a man who refuses to rule out the use of force to take control of two independent regions?

Or their concern that certain groups have been advised to carry their IDs in case some official insists on 'Papers, please'? 

Or about people simply trying to get their travel documents for a vacation who have had those same IDs 'held indeterminately for processing'? 

Or the systematic purging of 'non-loyalists' from government jobs, in some cases without federally required notice of cause?  And telling others to report attempts to 'disguise' diversity initiatives'?

It's the ghost of McCarthy, and the memories of Nixon.

[TheVillain]

Lol, Looks like Mr. Self-Destruct just figured out how Tariffs actually worked and is now having a crisis of faith.

Cry Harder, MAGAt.

[Rinzler]

So does this still apply or not?

Please do be aware of what you post and how it is phrased so that it is less likely to seem confrontational.

[TheVillain]

I'll acknowledge that what I said was more confrontational then strictly nessecary and will accept consequences accordingly. I only request that it be acknowledged that I wasn't the only one, or even the worst offender.

[Blythe]

So does this still apply or not?

I am confrontational, and I am non-apologetic about it. If that gets me punished, so be it.

Self Destruct's post actively came in calling all Democrats liars, and I have spent over eight years being civil and polite to Trump supporters when they actively shit on people of my political affiliation.

I am not going to cater to people who deny basic reality any more, and I am not going to be nice about it when they are not nice at the onset.

This is a debate board.

People that come in with active insults, sourcing nothing for their claims, and who have condescending tones should expect confrontation and pushback, and I find it ridiculous to expect otherwise.

Some things should be challenged, and some things do not warrant niceness about it.

[Aiden]

So does this still apply or not?

hall monitor is here 

[Revelation]

Alright - the direction of this thread is getting more heated. I approve of the discourse with link receipts and hard information, but for now we're going to let this thread cool down a little before more heated words are said and people lose all civility. Do not seek to engage this discussion elsewhere in the interim.