The Overlords - Semi-freeform Isekai inspired group game (Recruiting)

[Saric]

The custom class is not something I'm doing since I'm using a specific system in the background and it wouldn't match up with the idea of the base idea, that these are all classes picked as part of character creation or put in with expansions.  We have a list of classes here and it would need to come from there.  And while I have no problem with a custom dark impulse, this one wouldn't seem to fit within the context of something that would have been in a public MMO. 

Ah. Sorry I saw it mentioned secret class trump cards in the world info and assumed there must be secret classes to gain as the base classes would have been leaked eventually.

As for the impulse I opened it up to include fine food and luxurious surrounding to make it more MMO friendly. I was thinking it would be a constant expense since she'd need to buy the lobster to fill her hunger meter instead of being able to get away with bread. Stuff like that.

Are there any other issues or just the mechanical ones? And are there any notes on what equipment should be able to do or not? Wasn't sure what to do there.

Edit: I've edited the calling and abilities. Would weapons, armor, or other items that grant lifesteal or aoe buffs or debuffs be allowed or do those kinds of things just fundamentally not work with the system?

[Timeless]

@Saric - Hey there! When it comes to your edited character sheet, the class you had chosen is fine - however, just like Kakihara had pointed out to GunMetalDreamer..

I had posted it but not sure if it's gotten lost in everything but since you did have a minion power on yours, just a heads up that minions won't be available due the whole change and new world until the Obsidian Demons get some kind of relations with others in the world, weather that is diplomatic or subjection. lol. But once that connection is established should not be a problem.

Other than that, I was noticing something..

"A mixed gender token from the cash shop ensured that she'd be ready to play with anyone who dared take her up on her offers but, perhaps do to the limitations of the dive equipment, so far none have."

That would have to be removed. If you intend to write a hermaphrodite, that would not have to be in-game implementation.

Not only that, but from what I'm reading from your sheet, we just want to clarify something, especially about the 'daring to take her offers', on whether this has to do with erotica roleplaying? Because that would go against the gaming rules in the server, and not only that, the founding party of Obsidian Demons frown upon that.

[Saric]

@Saric - Hey there! When it comes to your edited character sheet, the class you had chosen is fine - however, just like Kakihara had pointed out to GunMetalDreamer..

Other than that, I was noticing something..

"A mixed gender token from the cash shop ensured that she'd be ready to play with anyone who dared take her up on her offers but, perhaps do to the limitations of the dive equipment, so far none have."

That would have to be removed. If you intend to write a hermaphrodite, that would not have to be in-game implementation.

Not only that, but from what I'm reading from your sheet, we just want to clarify something, especially about the 'daring to take her offers', on whether this has to do with erotica roleplaying? Because that would go against the gaming rules in the server, and not only that, the founding party of Obsidian Demons frown upon that.

I'm aware about the minion thing but just because I know that she won't have them doesn't mean Kyle would have when designing Serena. He doesn't know he's going to be teleported to another world after all. That does raise a question though. For minion summoning abilities, such as Fallen Legion or any of the more magic based classes like witches and their spirit summoning, wouldn't they still have access to those minions, except now developing their own personalities and souls just like the floor bosses, maids, and such? Or at least have them in the player's area of the guild hall where something needs to be done to reconnect to them? I want to be clear I'm not trying to argue with the GM here, I'm just trying to reconcile in my head between the source material and the game mechanics we're playing by.

Good call on the gender being in the wrong place, I was thinking that gender change tokens would be standard in a cosmetic shop, not that they wouldn't have options for things you can't see through armor.

I'm not sure why offers of erotica would be against the gaming rules given it's a clearly adult game... though now that I'm writing this I realize I based that assumption on all the gore and graphic violence and we don't see anything that could cause  that while it's still a game... Regardless that bit got removed when I changed where her gender was and the flirting would still be fine regardless I'd think.

Made some edits, thanks for the feed back!

[Kakihara]

I'm aware about the minion thing but just because I know that she won't have them doesn't mean Kyle would have when designing Serena. He doesn't know he's going to be teleported to another world after all. That does raise a question though. For minion summoning abilities, such as Fallen Legion or any of the more magic based classes like witches and their spirit summoning, wouldn't they still have access to those minions, except now developing their own personalities and souls just like the floor bosses, maids, and such? Or at least have them in the player's area of the guild hall where something needs to be done to reconnect to them? I want to be clear I'm not trying to argue with the GM here, I'm just trying to reconcile in my head between the source material and the game mechanics we're playing by.

Good call on the gender being in the wrong place, I was thinking that gender change tokens would be standard in a cosmetic shop, not that they wouldn't have options for things you can't see through armor.

I'm not sure why offers of erotica would be against the gaming rules given it's a clearly adult game... though now that I'm writing this I realize I based that assumption on all the gore and graphic violence and we don't see anything that could cause  that while it's still a game... Regardless that bit got removed when I changed where her gender was and the flirting would still be fine regardless I'd think.

Made some edits, thanks for the feed back!

Sorry, we missed your question on the magical items before.  as far as weapons that grant lifesteal or aoe buffs or debuffs wouldn't work with the current guidelines and concepts, though ones that grand individual buffs or debuffs are fairly common.  

As far as it being an adult game... I'm not sure where you get that.  The original MMO is like any large developer's AAA game, the same as in the Overlords Anime.  While you will see plenty of blood and violence in something like Black Desert Online or Throne and Liberty, even something like Final Fantasy XIV or Elder Scrolls Online, but they never touch on erotica.  This is not a hentai game as they are usually small productions and limited release.  Sure there are some people who may do ERP outside of games, or even in PMs, though it is usually discouraged or outright blocked hence why WoW has some third party apps I hear for it.  

As far as like powers that call on certain spirits and the like, I've actually discussed this with Timeless as her character has something that calls on low level demons.  And I think the sensible idea is that people have to learn about the structure of belief and spirituality in this world first so they are educated and calling on something they know and can control.  While say Hinduism maybe has something akin to demons in it, your average person from a Midwest Christian upbringing wouldn't know anything about it and therefor would find holding power over it rather difficult.  

And I'm sure gender and class tokens existed in a cash shop but borrowing from real life MMOs, they are usually one use and you can't stock up on them, it's something you buy and immediately change over too.  

[Zaer Darkwail]

Well, in FF14 MMO you can stack Phantasia bottles and store them which allows change your entire appearance/gender. But the MMO may have made changes to make on-fly changes more difficult which means selling more customized skin items from the shop.

[Saric]

Sorry, we missed your question on the magical items before.  as far as weapons that grant lifesteal or aoe buffs or debuffs wouldn't work with the current guidelines and concepts, though ones that grand individual buffs or debuffs are fairly common. 

As far as it being an adult game... I'm not sure where you get that.  The original MMO is like any large developer's AAA game, the same as in the Overlords Anime.  While you will see plenty of blood and violence in something like Black Desert Online or Throne and Liberty, even something like Final Fantasy XIV or Elder Scrolls Online, but they never touch on erotica.  This is not a hentai game as they are usually small productions and limited release.  Sure there are some people who may do ERP outside of games, or even in PMs, though it is usually discouraged or outright blocked hence why WoW has some third party apps I hear for it. 

As far as like powers that call on certain spirits and the like, I've actually discussed this with Timeless as her character has something that calls on low level demons.  And I think the sensible idea is that people have to learn about the structure of belief and spirituality in this world first so they are educated and calling on something they know and can control.  While say Hinduism maybe has something akin to demons in it, your average person from a Midwest Christian upbringing wouldn't know anything about it and therefor would find holding power over it rather difficult. 

And I'm sure gender and class tokens existed in a cash shop but borrowing from real life MMOs, they are usually one use and you can't stock up on them, it's something you buy and immediately change over too. 

Would armor that grants regeneration, ether in general or while engaged in melee (possibly with some flavor text about being bathed in blood to get the effect) work or is the system more built on like a 'charge' of a healing power? Other ideas are an Axe that generates mana when dealing damage (maybe on crits like some of the abilities?), a Mace that can consume mana to explode on impact, a ring that be fed mana to summon a thrown weapon back to hand, a bow that produces endless arrows when drawn and can be fed mana to add additional effects to the arrows, and her robes being woven metal that can self repair, self clean, and move according to her will so that they can billow dramatically one moment and wrap around someones arm or leg at a critical moment in combat. Do any/all of these seem reasonable or easily tweaked to work?

I trailed off because I realized I'd gotten that idea from the more excessive gore when he killed the knights or hugged that one assassin to death, but then I realized all that was after he was transported to a real world instead of a game so it wasn't an accurate representation of what the game was like. That's why I've removed most references to erotica and toned it down to some flavor text and flirtatious behavior which I think should still work fine. I kind of designed the character's internal conflict being a volatile mixture of changing from a straight male who's a bit of an ascetic loner (aside from his gaming habit), into a bi-sexual futa with excessive urges, not just sexually, but also socially and for the kinds of excessive fine living that he mostly ignored in his former life. I can change that if it's an absolute deal-breaker but would prefer to just tone things down and make the issues more generalized or hidden in flavor text to show up after the transition.

Ahh... See I was thinking about how I left out where her title was from, with the 'Dread Citadel' being her building a tower add-on to the guild hall with barracks, training halls, blacksmiths, and the various other accoutrements to host the force of vampires and demons that followed her into exile, with them having sworn a blood oath to her that lets her summon them to her aid as the backstory for her Fallen Legion power. But if you're thinking more along the lines of 'summoned from hell' rather then 'summoned from the barracks' that makes a lot more sense as to why there wouldn't be a small army of npc's running around the guild hall. Does leave me a bit stumped about where she's going to find an elite army of loyal troops... but as I said to Timeless Kyle wasn't aware that would ever be an issue when he designed the character! So at least RPing that will be easy!

I'm aware of several games that let you buy cosmetic changes, like gender swaps or hair color/style changes, as a usable token in a separate inventory, but I've also seen it plenty the other way. Regardless Timeless made a good point so I already moved the gender from a bought token to a note in her backstory and just making a female at character creation.

Are there any remaining major issues in the revised character sheet or is it just the items and the Dark Impulse?

[Zaer Darkwail]

You can play a minion based characther, but there is no minions to command for you so you need roleplay the struggle of recruiting new ones. My char Karn had some recruited minions for raid events and now he has none, so he needs recruit minions himself (but besides that aspect he is brute and aimed him to be guild's primary tank for bigger events/bosses).

[Kakihara]

Would armor that grants regeneration, ether in general or while engaged in melee (possibly with some flavor text about being bathed in blood to get the effect) work or is the system more built on like a 'charge' of a healing power? Other ideas are an Axe that generates mana when dealing damage (maybe on crits like some of the abilities?), a Mace that can consume mana to explode on impact, a ring that be fed mana to summon a thrown weapon back to hand, a bow that produces endless arrows when drawn and can be fed mana to add additional effects to the arrows, and her robes being woven metal that can self repair, self clean, and move according to her will so that they can billow dramatically one moment and wrap around someones arm or leg at a critical moment in combat. Do any/all of these seem reasonable or easily tweaked to work?

I trailed off because I realized I'd gotten that idea from the more excessive gore when he killed the knights or hugged that one assassin to death, but then I realized all that was after he was transported to a real world instead of a game so it wasn't an accurate representation of what the game was like. That's why I've removed most references to erotica and toned it down to some flavor text and flirtatious behavior which I think should still work fine. I kind of designed the character's internal conflict being a volatile mixture of changing from a straight male who's a bit of an ascetic loner (aside from his gaming habit), into a bi-sexual futa with excessive urges, not just sexually, but also socially and for the kinds of excessive fine living that he mostly ignored in his former life. I can change that if it's an absolute deal-breaker but would prefer to just tone things down and make the issues more generalized or hidden in flavor text to show up after the transition.

Ahh... See I was thinking about how I left out where her title was from, with the 'Dread Citadel' being her building a tower add-on to the guild hall with barracks, training halls, blacksmiths, and the various other accoutrements to host the force of vampires and demons that followed her into exile, with them having sworn a blood oath to her that lets her summon them to her aid as the backstory for her Fallen Legion power. But if you're thinking more along the lines of 'summoned from hell' rather then 'summoned from the barracks' that makes a lot more sense as to why there wouldn't be a small army of npc's running around the guild hall. Does leave me a bit stumped about where she's going to find an elite army of loyal troops... but as I said to Timeless Kyle wasn't aware that would ever be an issue when he designed the character! So at least RPing that will be easy!

I'm aware of several games that let you buy cosmetic changes, like gender swaps or hair color/style changes, as a usable token in a separate inventory, but I've also seen it plenty the other way. Regardless Timeless made a good point so I already moved the gender from a bought token to a note in her backstory and just making a female at character creation.

Are there any remaining major issues in the revised character sheet or is it just the items and the Dark Impulse?

For the weapons, did you start with a character concept in mind because you are throwing out high powered close quarter and ranged weapons that are a wide ranging category and but from the character sheet you seemed to have a core concept.  Narrow down what kind of weapon approach your character would be coming at for fights.  Like the idea of having a thrown weapon and a bow is just seeming like overkill here.  The ring that returns a thrown weapon sounds fine though but we are not going to go through a list of weapons, pick out what would fit your character idea first.  The armor I would say regeneration out of combat up to 50 percent of max hp would make sense.  

Character creation and load out should be based on what would have been in the game not the new world they will find themselves in.  Like in any MMO, most summons are something that happen on battlefield and just appear, they are not a constant, so the tower seems a bit much though he could have had a hall called that but it would mainly only be himself and a combat butler/maid or a servant NPC.  Plus, the guild hall was a dungeons they took over so construction was limited to what they could put inside, similar to Warframe's Dojo system.  Members provided material to pool and then did their own individual projects from that all throughout the dungeon to create their guild hall, they wouldn't have been able to add on a tower extension, one of the trade offs for taking over an existing structure.  

[Saric]

For the weapons, did you start with a character concept in mind because you are throwing out high powered close quarter and ranged weapons that are a wide ranging category and but from the character sheet you seemed to have a core concept.  Narrow down what kind of weapon approach your character would be coming at for fights.  Like the idea of having a thrown weapon and a bow is just seeming like overkill here.  The ring that returns a thrown weapon sounds fine though but we are not going to go through a list of weapons, pick out what would fit your character idea first.  The armor I would say regeneration out of combat up to 50 percent of max hp would make sense. 
Character creation and load out should be based on what would have been in the game not the new world they will find themselves in.  Like in any MMO, most summons are something that happen on battlefield and just appear, they are not a constant, so the tower seems a bit much though he could have had a hall called that but it would mainly only be himself and a combat butler/maid or a servant NPC.  Plus, the guild hall was a dungeons they took over so construction was limited to what they could put inside, similar to Warframe's Dojo system.  Members provided material to pool and then did their own individual projects from that all throughout the dungeon to create their guild hall, they wouldn't have been able to add on a tower extension, one of the trade offs for taking over an existing structure. 

Basically Lady Sauron from Lord of the Rings, but with more dramatic flare. But since mixing magic and melee didn't really work, not while having an army, I figured she should have at least one ranged option. For pulling or dealing with flying enemies. I didn't expect to have all the weapons or items but figured if I threw out a list I could get them vetted and make the final list out of what was left. Sounds like the armor, axe, ring, and robe? would work as the final list?

I've played Warframe so I'm familiar with the Dojo system, so the outside looks the same but you can add rooms inside right? Lots of games with extensive minions systems let you give them bonuses by building and upgrading facilities for them and I was thinking she'd focus on upgrading them in the guild hall as part of her guild dues. That way in the game everyone with minions would benefit and it would fit her assumed persona. Now that they've been isekai'd the facilities would be functional but mostly empty I guess? Maybe an NPC of combat maid level as the trainer or ostensive unit commander? I don't know how many NPCs you wanted we could have both but Zaer or someone else with minion based abilities could be the primary designer of one of them? If anyone is interested that is.

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[Kakihara]

Basically Lady Sauron from Lord of the Rings, but with more dramatic flare. But since mixing magic and melee didn't really work, not while having an army, I figured she should have at least one ranged option. For pulling or dealing with flying enemies. I didn't expect to have all the weapons or items but figured if I threw out a list I could get them vetted and make the final list out of what was left. Sounds like the armor, axe, ring, and robe? would work as the final list?

I've played Warframe so I'm familiar with the Dojo system, so the outside looks the same but you can add rooms inside right? Lots of games with extensive minions systems let you give them bonuses by building and upgrading facilities for them and I was thinking she'd focus on upgrading them in the guild hall as part of her guild dues. That way in the game everyone with minions would benefit and it would fit her assumed persona. Now that they've been isekai'd the facilities would be functional but mostly empty I guess? Maybe an NPC of combat maid level as the trainer or ostensive unit commander? I don't know how many NPCs you wanted we could have both but Zaer or someone else with minion based abilities could be the primary designer of one of them? If anyone is interested that is.

Yeah, that item list is fine though I forgot to address the robe in my prior post.  If you could change it from metal to something akin to Elven Silk Weave or such as it being made of metal is a bit too much in the Final Fantasy idea of tech and fantasy mixed together and less like just the high fantasy of the game world.  But beyond that the armor axe ring and robe is fine with the axe having mana regen on crits with a small cool down in game.  

And as far as NPCs, I've set it for right now that everyone can have one NPC for right now that they can run, though perhaps in future as people explore the world it will open up.  

[Saric]

Yeah, that item list is fine though I forgot to address the robe in my prior post.  If you could change it from metal to something akin to Elven Silk Weave or such as it being made of metal is a bit too much in the Final Fantasy idea of tech and fantasy mixed together and less like just the high fantasy of the game world.  But beyond that the armor axe ring and robe is fine with the axe having mana regen on crits with a small cool down in game. 

And as far as NPCs, I've set it for right now that everyone can have one NPC for right now that they can run, though perhaps in future as people explore the world it will open up. 

I can do that or some kind of giant spider thread with an alchemical coating to prevent degradation. I don't really understand the reasoning though since the use of woven metal peaked around the 5th century and is believed to have been used as far back as 300BC. It's usually thicker and stiffer to make armor or made of something like gold for jewelry but that's what magic is for. Still if it's an issue I can change it. Is some gold thread for the decoration still okay?

That's why I was suggesting someone else could have the guild trainer. But if no one's interested we'll just have to recruit one later.

Character sheet is edited. Can you go over it one more time to make sure everything is acceptable?

[Timeless]

Looking at the sheet.. I noticed one mistake.

Background: Born a mixed gender child to a vampire father and a succubus mother as part of a marriage alliance

Just wanted to point out this mistake here. Other than that, for the ancient armour, as long as the armour helps regeneration quicker but not instantaneously healing, especially from heavy and deep wounds. Basically, we are looking to ensure that the items and equipment are not, like, god-tier or very powerful.

Other than that, once you edit the sheet and fix it, you can post your character sheet up in the approved thread!

[Saric]

Looking at the sheet.. I noticed one mistake.

Just wanted to point out this mistake here. Other than that, for the ancient armour, as long as the armour helps regeneration quicker but not instantaneously healing, especially from heavy and deep wounds. Basically, we are looking to ensure that the items and equipment are not, like, god-tier or very powerful.

Other than that, once you edit the sheet and fix it, you can post your character sheet up in the approved thread!

That was the sanitized version of saying she's a futa since if that's not in the character description somewhere it wouldn't show up in the transition.


Kakihara said the armor would be fine if it provided out-of-combat regen up to 50%. But the character sheets seemed to mostly list the flavor text descriptions rather then the mechanical benefits so I wasn't sure where to add that description.