Don't You Hate it When in an P&P RPG...

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TheGlyphstone

I love TBH, it's such a fun theory of total insanity with a suspiciously large amount of circumstantial 'proof'.

Songbird

Quote from: TheGlyphstone on November 30, 2012, 06:28:04 PM
I love TBH, it's such a fun theory of total insanity with a suspiciously large amount of circumstantial 'proof'.

It makes for an interesting plot! :D What if a cosmic catastrophe happened in which all of the deities' alignments were changed to the exact opposite? Heironeous would be Chaotic Evil, Erythnul would be Lawful Good... it would be a disaster! :o Boccob and his followers would probably be the only ones unscathed! ;D
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TheGlyphstone

Quote from: Songbird on November 30, 2012, 06:33:44 PM
It makes for an interesting plot! :D What if a cosmic catastrophe happened in which all of the deities' alignments were changed to the exact opposite? Heironeous would be Chaotic Evil, Erythnul would be Lawful Good... it would be a disaster! :o Boccob and his followers would probably be the only ones unscathed! ;D

Or they'd go insane...the Helm of Opposite Alignment, when placed on a True Neutral character, causes them to become one of the four most polarized alignments at random. You think a Neutral Evil Pelor is scary, howbout a Chaotic Evil Boccob?


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Songbird

Quote from: TheGlyphstone on November 30, 2012, 07:01:06 PMOr they'd go insane...the Helm of Opposite Alignment, when placed on a True Neutral character, causes them to become one of the four most polarized alignments at random. You think a Neutral Evil Pelor is scary, howbout a Chaotic Evil Boccob?

Eeek! Now THAT is scary! :o

Quote from: Skynet on November 30, 2012, 07:21:56 PM
Speaking of an Evil Pelor...

Blasphemer! *whips out my silver holy symbol of Pelor* In the name of the Shining One, I smite thee! >:(

*Grin* Just kidding! ;D As I said before, it's a scary theory! I'm not buying it, though. It's probably just an evil plot cooked up by Vecna, planted in an old tome to shake Pelor's church to the roots. ;)
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Oniya

Probably the same old tome that gives you instructions on how to use the Head of Vecna.
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TheGlyphstone

If it was a plot by Vecna, no one would know about it to begin with - he is the God of Secrets, after all, and it'd be against his interests to have another Neutral Evil god to compete against for worshipers. So he surely knows the truth, but isn't telling anyone - and if it is a slander, it's more likely to be perpetuated by a rival Good god.

Moraline

Just a personal annoyance here.

It drives me crazy when players insist on writing up overly convoluted back stories for their characters and hold up everyone else from playing because it's just soooo important that they get it finished before we begin.

You know the kind of back story I'm talking about. The one where it's like a soap opera and everyone is tied into everyone in some way, shape, or form. Where the player's personal history involves multiple interwoven relationships, schools, has lived all over the world and something different has happened to them to profoundly impact their lives at every location.

The back story becomes this land mine where no other player in the game dare says anything or do anything with this person because it will in someway trigger them to go on a 1 hour back story revealing spiel... That player expects the game master to bring in elements of that characters back story into every play session - because it's just soooo important.


TheGlyphstone

Ooh, that's a good one, and it reminds me of another of my peeves - GMs who require such lengthy backstories but don't use them, like they're some kind of mandatory writing assignment to prove you're dedicated to the game. I actually had a GM who mandated a two-page, double-spaced, 12-font backstory once with the qualifier 'must end in an accident involving planar travel', and the resultant campaign started with us being sent to another universe where none of those huge backstories were ever relevant, effectively wasting a few hours of everyone's time for no good reason.

Songbird

Quote from: TheGlyphstone on November 30, 2012, 07:54:20 PM
If it was a plot by Vecna, no one would know about it to begin with - he is the God of Secrets, after all, and it'd be against his interests to have another Neutral Evil god to compete against for worshipers. So he surely knows the truth, but isn't telling anyone - and if it is a slander, it's more likely to be perpetuated by a rival Good god.

Hmmm... I don't think it would have been a plot spread by another good-aligned god. After all, lying for one's own benefit at the expense of someone else could be considered an evil act, and a lie as big as this (assuming it is a lie) would be a major, major one. I just can't imagine Heironeous, Kord, Ehlonna, or any of the other good gods perpetrating such a scheme. On the other hand, perhaps a misguided cleric of another good god spreads the rumor in order to boost his own deity's number of worshipers. ;)

On reflection, I agree with you that Vecna wouldn't simply reveal so powerful a secret. He's be more likely to blackmail Pelor and force him to give up some of his divine power under the threat of revealing it to his clergy. Oh, Vecna, you devious boney blackmailer. ;D

Quote from: Moraline on December 01, 2012, 08:39:42 AM
Just a personal annoyance here.

It drives me crazy when players insist on writing up overly convoluted back stories for their characters and hold up everyone else from playing because it's just soooo important that they get it finished before we begin.

You know the kind of back story I'm talking about. The one where it's like a soap opera and everyone is tied into everyone in some way, shape, or form. Where the player's personal history involves multiple interwoven relationships, schools, has lived all over the world and something different has happened to them to profoundly impact their lives at every location.

The back story becomes this land mine where no other player in the game dare says anything or do anything with this person because it will in someway trigger them to go on a 1 hour back story revealing spiel... That player expects the game master to bring in elements of that characters back story into every play session - because it's just soooo important.

I like to create thorough back stories for my characters, but more for the DM's reference than my own glorification. I agree that having a character thrust his past into play at every opportunity can be super annoying. I think the only exception would be especially proud elves or dwarves, who might be prone to lecturing the younger races in a "When I was young, I..." kind of way. As a DM, having some background information on a character can be extremely useful plot-wise, as one can occasionally "hit them close to home" by having some menace threaten their hometown or loved ones. Dark revelations about a player's bloodline is always fun too. ;)
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Quote from: TheGlyphstone on December 01, 2012, 10:32:16 AM
Ooh, that's a good one, and it reminds me of another of my peeves - GMs who require such lengthy backstories but don't use them, like they're some kind of mandatory writing assignment to prove you're dedicated to the game. I actually had a GM who mandated a two-page, double-spaced, 12-font backstory once with the qualifier 'must end in an accident involving planar travel', and the resultant campaign started with us being sent to another universe where none of those huge backstories were ever relevant, effectively wasting a few hours of everyone's time for no good reason.

Ooooo.  That is just wrong!  I try to work the stories into what the GM plans but that would be evil!

Slywyn

I have a question. What does P&P mean in reference to games like DnD? Pickup and play? Pay and play? Putz and pull?

I've been thinking about it and nothing I think of seems to make sense.
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TheGlyphstone

Quote from: Slywyn on December 01, 2012, 12:23:04 PM
I have a question. What does P&P mean in reference to games like DnD? Pickup and play? Pay and play? Putz and pull?

I've been thinking about it and nothing I think of seems to make sense.

Pen & Paper or Pencil& Paper.

Oniya

Quote from: TheGlyphstone on December 01, 2012, 12:23:59 PM
Pen & Paper or Pencil& Paper.

Basically, table-top instead of online. (Or at least one with a human GM instead of an MMO program.)
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Slywyn

Oh. Derp. And wait, there's ways to play with a computer DM?
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TheGlyphstone

Quote from: Slywyn on December 01, 2012, 12:34:00 PM
Oh. Derp. And wait, there's ways to play with a computer DM?

Computer RPG games, or MMOs. You'll never get a computer game that can accurately recreate the entire tabletop experience, which is why they're distinguished from the tabletop versions (which can be played over the computer via forums, emails, IM, or things, but are still considered P&P games because it's human-to-human interaction).

Slywyn

Oooh.

See, I understood it as being, like, DNd but played online. Like, gather a few friends and play through pre-created adventures, with the computer or site being the "dm".

Or something.
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I'm just the silliest, friendliest little shark that ever did. Sure, I have all these teeth but I don't bite... much.

TheGlyphstone

Quote from: Slywyn on December 01, 2012, 12:38:49 PM
Oooh.

See, I understood it as being, like, DNd but played online. Like, gather a few friends and play through pre-created adventures, with the computer or site being the "dm".

Or something.

That's what CRPGS like Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, or Icewind Dale are - computer games that use the D&D setting and mechanics (of varying editions) with AI scripts directing the monsters/NPCs, pre-written dialogue options, and a pre-written adventure plot.

P&P refers to the actual books-and-character sheets game, with human players and a human DM. It can be played online through an electronic medium, but the key element is that the only involvement of a program is for stuff like dice-rolling.

Slywyn

Well I know what those are(I actually have NWN2 on my computer). What I thought it was was a DnD game except played online(text and character sheets and all), minimal graphics if anything at all.

Like... an actual DnD game, just online.
What Makes A Shark Tick ( o/o's )

"True friendship is when you walk into their house and your WiFi automatically connects." - The Internet, Probably

I'm just the silliest, friendliest little shark that ever did. Sure, I have all these teeth but I don't bite... much.

Oniya

Well, your standard MMO raid would be a 'few friends', a 'precreated adventure', and the server computer running all the NPCs.
"Language was invented for one reason, boys - to woo women.~*~*~Don't think it's all been done before
And in that endeavor, laziness will not do." ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~Don't think we're never gonna win this war
Robin Williams-Dead Poets Society ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~Don't think your world's gonna fall apart
I do have a cause, though.  It's obscenity.  I'm for it.  - Tom Lehrer~*~All you need is your beautiful heart
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Slywyn

What Makes A Shark Tick ( o/o's )

"True friendship is when you walk into their house and your WiFi automatically connects." - The Internet, Probably

I'm just the silliest, friendliest little shark that ever did. Sure, I have all these teeth but I don't bite... much.

TheGlyphstone

Quote from: Slywyn on December 01, 2012, 05:10:21 PM
Why is this difficult.

xD

No, you've figured it out. P&P refers to actual RPG game, D&D or otherwise, whether it's played online or in person.