The second Presidential debate

[elone]

Tomorrow is the next debate. Opened this thread to find out pre-debate what President Obama needs to do to win this one after his poor performance in the first. Also discuss thoughts on the debate after it concludes.

I think he really needs to just show up and refute Romney's plans, pin him on specifics, and point out his inconsistencies throughout the campaign. Point out once more the side of Romney that divides him from the 47% (really the 99%). Romney lost ground when people looked at him as a corporate raider who didn't give a damn about people, now he has been allowed to portray himself as a middle of the road Mr. nice guy who would never put the rich above the middle class.

[Ironwolf85]

he was kinda sleepy on the first one.

[Stattick]

He needs to pull a Biden.

[ShadowFox89]

 Someone give that man an Irish Coffee, with extra Irish.

[Serephino]

Yeah, he needs to be less reserved and show some of that charisma and ambition that got him elected the first time.  Of course, I guess it's hard to not feel defeated after everything that's been going on.  Calling Romney on his flip-flopping would be helpful.  Last time it looked like he was reading a prepared speech instead of engaging in the debate. 

[Ironwolf85]

I hope they use the same moderator, she was an actual journalist, it was fun watching her ask some hard questions of the VP's
Biden on fear of military action (such as his trying to get the Prez to pull the plug on the Bin-ladin raid.)
Ryans on his mystical budget numbers that totally make sense, but cannot be released until after the election.

[elone]

He needs to pull a Biden.

Agree, some people on the news say he held back to avoid the look of being a bully. Unfortunately Romney bullied and lied and gained ground. These debates do seem to hold some sway in the election if we are to believe the polls. Not sure how many undecideds are still out there but even if it 1 or 2 percent, that may be what it takes to win.

[OldSchoolGamer]

What would wake the debate up is:

1. Allowing the audience to ask unscripted questions.

2. Given that deviation from political orthodoxy is frowned on here, I'll just briefly point out that there ARE more than two people running for POTUS.

3. Realtime fact checking.  Schedule a few commercial breaks during which researchers could look up what the candidates say (or tape-delay the debate a couple hours).

[Trieste]

Now Romney is making promises for his plans for Canada and Mexico (I assume he knows they're part of "North America").

Watch out, Canadians.

[Chelemar]

WEEE GOOD FIGHT!  I saw we give them red and blue trunks and red and blue gloves and put them in the ring! ding ding ding!

[Chelemar]

Run Midstates cause holy cow the pipe line right through the watershed aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[Trieste]

Obama: "I'm used to being interrupted."

Dahahaha.

I don't want to see them fight, but I wonder what it would do to stories and ratings if one of them threw a slug.

[Chelemar]

I know hahaha, :D would love to have seen Mrs. O's face then.

bwaahahah

  Edited to add,  Romney on wind energy..."I don't have a problem with wind energy."  Yeah no kidding, he's full of it.

[Trieste]

This 60% tax rate Romney is talking about on the richest Americans... is he in dreamland? Are you kidding me?!

[ShadowFox89]

 Man, Romney's full of more shit than the farms around here.

[Callie Del Noire]

This 60% tax rate Romney is talking about on the richest Americans... is he in dreamland? Are you kidding me?!

No..what he said is..

60% of the taxes being PAID to the government is from the top 2% of the countries income makers.

[Trieste]

I'm waiting for him to mention his "six studies"... give me a break.

[Chelemar]

HE STILL never said where the money comes. EVER

[Trieste]

He totes just did the smug walk back. Romney SWAGGAH.

[Chelemar]

Oh, and as far as no marriage for gays, Mr. Romney, your GGDad had what 17 wives, but I as a lesbian can't have one?? Pa lease!

[Chelemar]

Does he realize that he sounds sexist?

[Callie Del Noire]

Noo..he just thinks you don't need to worry your little head about the big issues liddle lady.. (he is coming across as very smarmy to me)

[Chelemar]

YEAH!  Go Daddy Bama, take care of the girls.

[Trieste]

"I have two daughters and I want them to have the same opportunities as anybody's son has."

*cheers*

[Callie Del Noire]

MORE FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR FRIGGING MIND!

Sorry.. yelling at the TV now.. MORE?

[Chelemar]

*high fives* Trieste

[Chelemar]

I'm gonna crack down on China?  How, when he throws the dishes at the wall in a temper?

[Trieste]

The consensus on Twitter is that Jeremy the Student is the new Joe the Plumber.

[Chelemar]

The consensus on Twitter is that Jeremy the Student is the new Joe the Plumber.

Oh really?  Interesting.

[Chelemar]

Please someone bring up gay marriage and reproductive rights.... Pa---leaseeeeeeeeee

[Trieste]

I wish they would talk more about investing in mass transit rather than continuing to support the auto industry.

Please someone bring up gay marriage and reproductive rights.... Pa---leaseeeeeeeeee

I know, right?

[Chelemar]

Edited to add, CNN poll  (I'm watching online via CNN live and playing in twitter etc.)

Poll: Who is winning so far?
Obama by a lot (100%)
Romney by a lot (0%)
Obama by a little (0%)
Romney by a little (0%)

[gaggedLouise]

HE STILL never said where the money comes. EVER

"I've been doing balanced budgets all my life, in every company I've been head of." - Well, it's easy enough to do if you have the option of selling off parts that aren't profitable, raising a new round of stock or firing thousands of employees. When you're running a country, that's a little bit more complicated: last time I checked you couldn't fast-fire unprofitable citizens or deprive them of their pensions, their basic healthcare/meds rights, the schools of their kids or their student loans.

The guy is more than vague about where he's going to get the money or what happens if he finds that he can't both tighten the belt and expand the economy.

[Chelemar]

and now for the slow people who just cant click fast lmao

Poll: Who is winning so far?
Obama by a lot (44%)
Romney by a lot (16%)
Obama by a little (22%)
Romney by a little (18%)

[Callie Del Noire]

"I've been doing balanced budgets all my life, in every company I've been head of." - Well, it's easy enough to do if you have the option of selling off parts that aren't profitable, raising a new round of stock or firing thousands of employees. When you're running a country, that's a little bit more complicated: last time I checked you couldn't fast-fire unprofitable citizens or deprive them of their pensions, their basic healthcare/meds rights, the schools of their kids or their student loans.

The guy is more than vague about where he's going to get the money or what happens if he finds that he can't both tighten the belt and expand the economy.

My question is this.. has he EVER not outsources or sold off assetts to make a profit? I don't think (aside from Bain..which is a leech) he has grown a company. He's looted and pillaged a hell of a lot

[Trieste]

According to Slate's Instant Spin Room, conservatives think Romney is winning, and liberals think Obama is winning.

[Chelemar]

I don't look at my pension that often, it's not as big as yours hahahaha

[Callie Del Noire]

Watch as I tap dance away from immigration.. switch it to the Pres' pension.. tadaadadadada

[gaggedLouise]

According to Slate's Instant Spin Room, conservatives think Romney is winning, and liberals think Obama is winning.

Mighty surprised here.  :D

I don't look at my pension that often, it's not as big as yours hahahaha

Agree, good oneliner.

[ShadowFox89]

 Much better debate tonight than last time.

Romney is going to walk away with a black eye and busted jaw.

[Trieste]

Dude. Benghazi wasn't the one that asked for more security. It was another consulate in Libya. That's been debunked, mister braintrust.  >:(

[Callie Del Noire]

Dude. Benghazi wasn't the one that asked for more security. It was another consulate in Libya. That's been debunked, mister braintrust.  >:(

Damn.. can he get any smugger? And look more insincere doing it?

[Callie Del Noire]

Didn't 'Fast and Furious start up around 2006 or so? Silly me?

[Trieste]

How did he go from automatic weapons to single-parent homes?

[ShadowFox89]

 It did. But Cal, remember. The Bush era never happened.

[Callie Del Noire]

How did he go from automatic weapons to single-parent homes?

Not only taht.. but he slammed single parents (you no need naughty sex till yer married!)

[Chelemar]

Romney is such a liar!  Yeah, so what are you going to do to China?  Oh, I know, let's go to war with China. OMGOSH.

[Trieste]

Romney: "Trickle-down government has never worked here, has never worked anywhere."

Gonna hold him to that.

[Callie Del Noire]

"Oh .. don't pay to my 20+ years of outsourcing.. I'll bring jobs back.. and be harsh with China.. REALLY."

[ShadowFox89]

Romney is such a liar!  Yeah, so what are you going to do to China?  Oh, I know, let's go to war with China. OMGOSH.

Moar tax cuts! Rawr!

[Remiel]

Bill Maher is a complete tool, but the following made me laugh:

Not cool: after Obama and Romney cross paths on stage, Romney checks for his wallet

[Trieste]

I think my livestream is lagging slightly behind the teevee. I keep seeing tweets of quotes that don't come along for another minute or two.

[Chelemar]

did he just say there are no jobs because unemployment is so high?

[Chelemar]

Bill Maher is a complete tool, but the following made me laugh:

that's cause the president is poor, he only makes 600K a year.  Hell he's a pauper.

[gaggedLouise]

Romney is such a liar!  Yeah, so what are you going to do to China?  Oh, I know, let's go to war with China. OMGOSH.

+1

Bomb out the ipad factories! ;)

[Trieste]

I think he just said that, yeah...

And that the key to lowering unemployment is to get more people hired. I mean, why didn't anyone else think of that? The way he said it, it's so simple.

[Chelemar]

I think my livestream is lagging slightly behind the teevee. I keep seeing tweets of quotes that don't come along for another minute or two.

you tube is behind by about 30 seconds. 

[Callie Del Noire]

Wow.. he is REALLY being 'that guy' after 20 years at Bain?

[Will]

Romney: "Trickle-down government has never worked here, has never worked anywhere."

Gonna hold him to that.

At least trickle-down economics had a reasonable-sounding explanation.  His plan is exactly the same, except he replaced the explanation with a "trust me!"

...It's literally the "???? profit" meme.

[Callie Del Noire]

"Government doesnt' create jobs?"

Funny.. I had a job for 15 years thanks to the government.

[Chelemar]

I think he just said that, yeah...

And that the key to lowering unemployment is to get more people hired. I mean, why didn't anyone else think of that? The way he said it, it's so simple.

LOL I know right!

Hey, I know let's make job's, and wow then people will have them? 


GO MR. PRESIDENT  ...

Government does not create jobs... but... but...

[Trieste]

*gigglefits at Will*

1: Insult President.
2: Lie, lie, lie to get elected.
3: ???
4: Profit!

[Chelemar]

I went to the Olympics! yay!

So why don't you want affordable health care for everyone?
No, we don't have to settle, so why do you want us to settle?

[Will]

*gigglefits at Will*

1: Insult President.
2: Lie, lie, lie to get elected.
3: ???
4: Profit!

...Do you have an inside source at the RNC?

[Chelemar]

Triste,

You forgot "smile smarmily"

[Callie Del Noire]

Wow.. the president just like.. lied.. "I think Governor Romney is a good man.."

With a straight face even

[Trieste]

...Do you have an inside source at the RNC?

BJ supplier with ears. *straight face*

[ShadowFox89]

BJ supplier with ears. *straight face*

You have a blowjob supplier in the RNC?

Oh, you mean Ryan!

[Chelemar]

LOL Cal,

He thinks he's a good man, terrible dog owner. Good man, terrible presidential candidate.

[Will]

BJ supplier with ears. *straight face*

Ahhhh.  You must get plenty of hot tips!

[ReijiTabibito]

Finally.  Took Obama two whole debates to bring out the 47%.  If it had been me, I'd have been hammering Romney with it to the tune of "If I Had A Hammer," by Peter, Paul & Mary.

[Callie Del Noire]

Finally.  Took Obama two whole debates to bring out the 47%.  If it had been me, I'd have been hammering Romney with it to the tune of "If I Had A Hammer," by Peter, Paul & Mary.

Or.. everytime Romney goes 'I  think the people will agree with me.." the president could go 'Well not 47% of them.."

[Remiel]

I think it's fair to say Obama won round 2.  Romney was definitely looking a little bit desperate-flailing at times, especially when Candy Crowley asserted that Obama did, in fact, refer to the Benghazi attacks as terrorism.

It will be interesting to see what factcheck says about the debate tomorrow.

[Chelemar]

Or.. everytime Romney goes 'I  think the people will agree with me.." the president could go 'Well not 47% of them.."

Now, that was funny.

[Chelemar]

I think it's fair to say Obama won round 2.  Romney was definitely looking a little bit desperate-flailing at times, especially when Candy Crowley asserted that Obama did, in fact, refer to the Benghazi attacks as terrorism.

It will be interesting to see what factcheck says about the debate tomorrow.

Tomorrow?  They are doing it now. :D

[ShadowFox89]

 I'm watching Fox news and about ready to hurl >.<'

[Callie Del Noire]

I'm watching Fox news and about ready to hurl >.<'

How bad is it?

[ReijiTabibito]

It will be interesting to see what factcheck says about the debate tomorrow.

I can guess what will be said by the factcheckers by at least one side...Mr "My Campaign Will Not Be Run By Fact Checkers."

[WildCat]

Wow.. the president just like.. lied.. "I think Governor Romney is a good man.."

With a straight face even

Hey, in the first debate he told Lehrer "you did a great job."

[ShadowFox89]

How bad is it?

They're pulling clips and cutting off Obama's retorts to any BS that Romney might have had.

[Trieste]

I think it's fair to say Obama won round 2.  Romney was definitely looking a little bit desperate-flailing at times, especially when Candy Crowley asserted that Obama did, in fact, refer to the Benghazi attacks as terrorism.

It will be interesting to see what factcheck says about the debate tomorrow.

The transcript of Obama's remarks from Sept 12 does refer to acts of terror. I mean, he didn't hammer it, but the categorization was there.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya

[Ironwolf85]

They're pulling clips and cutting off Obama's retorts to any BS that Romney might have had.

it's Fox you are suprised?

I watched the whole thing and obama suckerpunched him a number of times, Fox is attacking the moderator for "Bias" which we all know means they think they lost and are blaming someone.

On the Lybia thing the administration kinda, played it down untill they had more information, and some people think it's a coverup, and the whole thing is a little fishy, but it was likely for diplomatic reasons. Lest we have seals going after the wrong people.
the prez also nailed him on pretty much every forgin policy question.

[Callie Del Noire]

it's Fox you are suprised?

I watched the whole thing and obama suckerpunched him a number of times, Fox is attacking the moderator for "Bias" which we all know means they think they lost and are blaming someone.

On the Lybia thing the administration kinda, played it down untill they had more information, and some people think it's a coverup, and the whole thing is a little fishy, but it was likely for diplomatic reasons. Lest we have seals going after the wrong people.
the prez also nailed him on pretty much every forgin policy question.

Not to mention.. YOU NEVER REVEAL Intel activities.. you can discuss that 'efforts in progress' and such.. but anything more than that gives away enough info that things will cost you time, money and effort.

[Oniya]

Okay, 'women in binders' has just started hitting my political feeds.  George Takei has even mentioned it, which means I've got about 5 minutes before it's completely viral.

Where did that one come from?

[Callie Del Noire]

Okay, 'women in binders' has just started hitting my political feeds.  George Takei has even mentioned it, which means I've got about 5 minutes before it's completely viral.

Where did that one come from?

Women in Binders?

[ShadowFox89]

George Takei ‏@GeorgeTakei
I admit, I've never had a binder full of women either.

[Chelemar]

romney said he had BINDERS FULL OF WOMEN LOL who could do jobs as good as the men in his cabinet.  When he went looking for women to hire.

WOW REALLY BINDERS FULL OF WOMEN AND A MORMAN TO BOOT?

[Chelemar]

I should add that he said he went to women's groups and that they brought him the binders full of women.

[Chelemar]

Is it remiss of me to say, that personally, I know a few lesbian's who would like a binder or two.  Just sayin'.

[Oniya]

romney said he had BINDERS FULL OF WOMEN LOL who could do jobs as good as the men in his cabinet.  When he went looking for women to hire.

>_> Considering the things his cabinet has let him say, I think my gender's just been insulted. 

[ShadowFox89]

 Hey now, some of us guys would like those binders too ;)

[Chelemar]

>_> Considering the things his cabinet has let him say, I think my gender's just been insulted. 

yeah I don't think he realized that any of what he said was sexist.

He also said getting the momma's home in time to make the supper was important.

[Vekseid]

Is it remiss of me to say, that personally, I know a few lesbian's who would like a binder or two.  Just sayin'.

Gather them all over here. May take some good rope work, but I'm sure we can make a few...

[Chelemar]

Gather them all over here. May take some good rope work, but I'm sure we can make a few...

LOL,  WOOT... wow and that sounds fun! fast fingers fly, furiously phoning."

[elone]

So, is it safe to say that Obama kicked ass on this one.

Loved the moderator, actually told Romney to sit down at one point if I heard right.

[Ironwolf85]

So, is it safe to say that Obama kicked ass on this one.

Loved the moderator, actually told Romney to sit down at one point if I heard right.

they both talked over her, and were really at it.
but yeah, fox might not want to admit it, but Obama came out of the gate and countered everything romney threw at him

[elone]

After the debate there was a scene where you could see Romney's wife walking up to him. The look on her face said it all.

"Obama kicked your ass."

Priceless

[Stattick]

[Chelemar]

zooomgosh... I am actually in pain from laughing.... I think I blew a heart valve.

that's funny stuff.  I love the webz.

[Chelemar]

whatiscalledwhenyoutakeoveratopic
Or is it really binders full of women? 
/endwhatsitcalledwhenyoutakeoveratopic

[Vekseid]

So, what I get for not watching the presidential debate live. Took less than 30 minutes for someone to register all of the domain names.

[Avis habilis]

Took less than 30 minutes for someone to register all of the domain names.

What domain names? "Bindersfullofwomen.com"?

[Oniya]

Apparently so - powered by Django.  *smirk*

[Trieste]

Yeeep. Between all of the various social media networks, politics are now pretty much interactive. Especially stuff like debates. >.>

[gaggedLouise]

What domain names? "Bindersfullofwomen.com"?

They don't have to end in the usual bunch of top domains anymore, you know. It's only a matter of time till someone registers "bound.women", "tea.party.4-ever", "usedinallher.holes" or "fuckthepope.xxx"

(Speaking of xxx, it's been suggested as a new top domain for commercial porn and juicy stuff though)

[Vekseid]

.xxx is already live. The price is ridiculous though.

[gaggedLouise]

*snickers*

[Trieste]

Oh my god... still laughing...



The look on Obama's face makes it. *dies*

[Will]

Oh my god

*flails*

[Trieste]

*wiping away tears from laughing so hard*

[Mithlomwen]

Oh my god... still laughing...



The look on Obama's face makes it. *dies*

That is classic. 

[gaggedLouise]

That's the way you do it,
Binders of women an'em chicks for free...

What if he'd said "As governor I had crates full of women under my office desk?"  ;D

[Will]

"Sure, sure.  We had a warehouse full of women.  We kept them in storage and wheeled them out for PR events and company parties."

Seriously, though, I'm kind of surprised to hear him endorsing something that amounts to affirmative action.

[Oniya]

That's the way you do it,
Binders of women an'em chicks for free...

What if he'd said "As governor I had crates full of women under my office desk?"  ;D

No, see, that would have been Clinton.  ;D  (Kept 'em right next to the humidor...)

[Stattick]

No, see, that would have been Clinton.  ;D  (Kept 'em right next to the humidor...)

Wait, I thought that humming thing under his desk was the humidor.

[Stattick]

[Stattick]

How would you address the gender pay gap?

That was the question. This was Romney's answer:

Romney's Answer to the Equal Pay Question

This is my response to Romney's answer:

Billy Madison - Ultimate Insult (Academic Decathlon)

[Lilias]

I've pimped Margaret and Helen's blog often enough here, but this is brilliant even by their standards:

http://margaretandhelen.com/2012/10/18/heman-and-eddie-munster-were-better-when-they-were-in-black-and-white/