Oh, my, God, I'm a genious, could someone please run Darksun...

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Muse

Okay, imagine this, o system-wielding, storytelling, oversexed ellqiuiy geniuses! 

Athas (the Darksun world for Second Edition Dungeons and Dragons) is a brutalized lands ruled by merciless Sorcerer-Kings, their Templars, and the Merchants who support them.  This is a savage desert land, full of free but savage nomads and strict civilizatiosn built on the backs of slaves, including gladiators and concubines. 

The only hope for the rebirth of the world and the destruction of the Defilers is the Vieled Aliiance, an undercover ograniziation of Preserver wizards and their allies. 

Could anyone possibly run a Darksun game focused on the adventures of the Vieled Alliance, not only their magic and combat prowess, but allso their ability to use seduction and charms both magical and sexual to acomplish thier goals? 
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It's spelled "genius"  ;)

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Caustic

That's a really cool idea.  I think I played DarkSun D&D once.  It was kinda shitty then, but that's because of the group.  Thri-kreens, right?  Is that what the giant mantis-people were called?  Yeah, everybody had one of those, or a desert-elf with type-E poison darts in their blowgun.  I think we played for 4 hours, got nowhere, and said 'fuck it'. 

That said-- I'd love to help out, if I can, but I swear to christ that I know nothing of the system anymore.  I can try to brush up on the new d20 system and the old DarkSun stuff, but some help would be appreciated.
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Tom

http://www.athas.org/

This is the official website of the d20 Dark Sun setting. Wizards of the Coast decided not to develop Dark Sun further when they aquired the TSR product line, so they let someone else have it.


HairyHeretic

Well, from what I recall of dark sun (last time I looked at it was 2nd ed AD&D) the major racial changes are the thri keen as players, halflings are vicious cannibalistic little buggers, and psionics is pretty damn common.

The world is a huge desert, and each city-state is ruled by a god-king (dragon? human? .. can't really remember) Magic tends to be powered by draining life from the surrounding area, which explains why the world is a desert.
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Muse

*waves* 

Okay, inquiring again? 

Or, if I ran it, who would be intrested? 
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Brandon

Ild be interested in playing and I could give Tips to any interested GMs as well. Although I have to admit as far as fantasy settings intermingling sexual interaction D&D doesnt really do it. Exalted may work much better
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Xillen

Quote from: kongming on August 02, 2007, 10:55:45 PM
It's spelled "genius"  ;)

(Yes, just replying to make a smart-ass remark about that.)

Smart-ass! :P

I've GMed Dark-Sun for a while, using the Artas.org rules. They work well. With just the 3 core books, the XPH and that site, you have enough.

Don't really think I could GM this in an interesting way, but I might join as a player if a GM was found.

Muse

*grins* 

Are you in my adult exalted game yet, Brandon? 

As for an Athas campaing, then, here's some thoughts. 

A.  A vieled alliance story centered aroudn a harem. 

B.  A story about a band of slavers? 
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Far eyes

I might be interested in getting back into some games.

Its 3.5 correct?

2e and 3.0 Psionic make my head hurt
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I would far prefer 2 E, but if 3.5 was the only way I could get players, I'd do 3.5. 

Also, 2E psionics are okay, except for Telepathy.  Telepathy makes my head hurt too. 
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Muse

So, the Vieled Alliance story or the slaver story?  What would get more players? 

And 2nd edition or 3.5? 
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Zaer Darkwail

Agree whit above psoter but would request use Complete Psionics book (have wanted try one or two psionic stuff from there).

Muse

The Expanded Psionic Handbook is pretty important to DArksun, so I guess the Complete Psion would be as well. 

If we must do 3.5, can someone throw me a link to the expansions? 
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Muse

Hm...  Well, if there were multiple requests for free-form in this setting, I could maybe divvy up the game appropriately, but, short of a bit part as a hapless slave girl, the game really doesn't loan in itself to total freeform.  The veiled alliance girls would at least need to keep track of the spells they knew. 
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Far eyes

Comp Psi is probably one of the worst books in recent DnD history, but really it dos not ad anything meaningful outside of a couple of feats and some Prcs. Oh yes and some classes. Perhaps the Lurk Class is the only reason i even have the book anymore. :P

But it dos not change any of the Psi rules so if anybody wants to use anything from it he could just write it up Muse

Story B seams fun, although if a majority wants A I am cool with that to

Character vise I would go with a Telepath, maybe human depending on level?

Edit: Maybe a Wilder
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Xillen

I have the books for both 2.0 (got the actual Dark Sun box) and 3.5, though I'd prefer 3.5, since my 2.0 stuff is pretty rusty, but I wouldn't really mind 2.0 either. Either story sounds fine with me.

The D&D 3.5e rules: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/article/srd35
The Darksun 3.5e rules: http://www.artas.org/

The Expanded Psionics Handbook is considered a core rulebook for any game involving psionics, whereas the Complete Psion is always an optional book, like Complete Warrior for example. You'll find practically everything from the XPH in the SRD (linked above), but not for the Complete Psion, so you'd have to receive everything from your players about it.

Muse

All right, then.  6th level Darksun 3.5 D&D.  Slavers of the Tablelands.  Sound good? 
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Xillen

Count me in.

Are we playing the slavers, or some faction that wants to eliminate the slavers, or?
What races are permitted?
How do we determine ability scores?
How do we determine hit points beyond first level?
What's our starting money?

Muse

http://www.athas.org/releases/ds3/ds3_r6.pdf

I was thinking we'd be playing slavers and/or slave girls captured in the first raid who "fall for" their captors and become part of the team. 

Ability Scores:  18, 16, 14, 14, 12, 10, arange as desired, and add 4 points not to exceed 18 for customization. 

The races on the board are all permited, including half giants, but mamalian organs help.  ^_^ 

Maximum Hit Points at first level, reroll ones beyond that. 

Starting money.  Hm...  Does the web site have anything to say about htat?  I haven't gotten to it yet, if so. 
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Far eyes

Standard Amount for lvl 6 is 13000gp

I will probably be able to knock up a character fast enough, but a description and background will probably reach you tomorrow the fastest
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Perhaps a band of slavers who aren't exactly good guys, but do pride themselves on thwarting the sorcerer kings and living outside their influence? 
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Tom

Sounds perfect. I'll get working on a character right away.


Xillen

Hmm, would love to play a Psychic Warrior, but I'm gonna check what everyone wants, and pick based after that, as I enjoy playing nearly all classes, and more often than not have a better time getting the leftover role than picking one and then discovering it ain't all that great.

And wow, that are some high ability scores, even for Athas standards! :o

Far eyes

Well I am playing a Wilder with high Dex, con, cha she has a couple of powers amongst them Animal Afinity and basically only 1 attack power, just for the sake of having one. So while I am standing relatively good on HP I don’t see my self as any form of tank or front line anything really

Oh yes that reminds me are we going with Magic = Psionics or with the assumption that the two are totally different?
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I need to review the 3.5 darksun further, but I'm pretty sure they're difrent forces. 

A psionic uses inner power, a magician draws power from the surounding land through living things, either carefuly "preserving" the land, or "raising" it as a "defiler", leaving dead plants behind. 
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Far eyes

My question was to more of a mechanic nature as in dos SR apply to Psionics and such

Can a Psionic power be dispelled by Dispel Magic and vice versa?
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My answer was, "I need to read more." 

When i said I would run, I had expected to do second edition, so I'm a bit behind. 
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Far eyes

Ah ok no worries

Its just that usual making Psionics different from magic mechanically leads to lots of problems, I haven’t played dark sun since a long long time and back when I did it didn’t come up.
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Zaer Darkwail

I play human Divine Mind 5/Warmind 1, so I will be front line combatant. I have 1 power from Divine Mind list (have Conflict mantle) and that is metaphysical weapon and from warmind I taked expansion of course. I have high wisdom, charisma and rest stats are mediocore (but thanks 1lvl warmind my both str&con can be increased often by +2). Also thanks my psycic auras I greatly improve party's abilitie sin combat but outside combat I have little use.

Xillen

Divine Mind in Dark Sun :o

Kind of odd as there are no deities, but maybe it works with an element. The regular domains aren't used in Dark Sun, though, so that brings the question if the mantle domains are...

So we have a Wilder and a Divine Mind. Given that they're both melee/manifester hybrids, I'll forgo the Psychic Warrior. There's still a lot to cover, so I'll just wait for Tom and perhaps Brandon to tell what kind of characters they'll be playing.

Tom

I was thinking something like Rogue/Gladiator. Human, possibly Mul. Noble girl, come street rat, come gladiator, come slave.

Xillen

That would leave us with a Divinist and perhaps a full Psion.

Muse, what are your looks on either the Leadership feat or the Thrallherd Prestige Class to generate a cohort/thrall for divine support?

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Zaer Darkwail

Also note that my char does not pay attention to elements but to his tribal warrior code which he takes 'religious seriousness'. Divine Mind it is not neccesary related to specific deity or elements (like whit cleric) but it can be also connected to religious philosophy (like a monk). My Divine mind is alot like 'ardent' core class in mind set wise.

I just hope this does not go over the Dark Sun setting 'fluff rules' and if it does I could try find other method to be divine mind but background is kinda set in.

Xillen

The cohort would be the reason for me to do it. I'm not interested in the followers. We don't want to be too big of a band.

Do you want to stat out the cohort (Probably 4th level, as I prefer not to spend a manifester level on going Thrallherd, though maybe it befits the setting more), or want me to? In the latter case, what are the rules on stats and gear?

Zaer> In regular D&D divine casters can get the energy for their spells from all kinds of sources, so they don't have to worship a priest. In Dark Sun, the Elements and Subelements are the only ways for Cleric to receive their divine powers (Druids get theirs from the fauna and Templars get it from Sorceror-Kings), but since in your case it's psionic and not divine magic it might work.

Far eyes

Well I don’t think we will have much of a problem with encounters, I have Charm Psionic witch is probably one of the strongest charm spells especially in a 1st round use situation or out of combat

And a charmed person can easily be used as an emergency party member, having high cha and bluff helps

Say so we have anybody with the power to heal wounds?
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Far Eyes, is your character inclining towards telepathic powers? Cuz I was thinking on becoming a Telepath, but I could easily steer into another direction.

I'll take Leadership or Thrallherd for a Cohort with healing powers, unless someone else wants to join and likes playing a Divinist.

Far eyes

Well I am a wielder who is prty deep into the mind based edge

Charm, Psionic, Mindlink, Telepathic Projection, Animal Affinity, Crystal Storm [CP: 81], Time Hop are my powers. Using up 2 feats
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Hmm, I'll have a good look to see which specialization to master then. Haven't done that in a while.

It also means I'll defenitely go for Leadership, as the Thrallherd requires Telepathy.

Far eyes

I contemplated about going into Thrallherd but I have always shied away from caster prcs that don’t give full development

But yes some healing would be nice

A suggestion if you want a real heal exclusive Cohort, make a Healer out of Miniature Handbook. They get a couple of nifty features and can really heal but for that it is prty much almost all they can do
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They are indeed nice from a full heal support perspective, but clerics have more options than just heal. Also, I don't really think the Healer class befits the setting.

Muse

Indeed. 

The Clerics worship elemental ideals rather than gods, and good alingments are scarce to say the least, unicorns scarcer. 
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Zaer Darkwail

Hmmm, favoured soul could be good in such setting I think. Which call himself a 'devotee of fire' and pick feat which allows once per day cast domain spells (I recall there is such feat). But then again turn undead nowadays haves so many uses besides turning/rebuke undead via feats it would be hard pass cleric.

Xillen

I personally prefer not to dabble too much into option books for settings, as the options are aimed at an average fantasy world, and usually break the flavor of the setting. I mean, what's the point in playing a different setting, if you bend everything to be available in that setting. Completely beats the point and the flavor.

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Quote from: Xillen on November 12, 2007, 11:01:20 AM
I personally prefer not to dabble too much into option books for settings, as the options are aimed at an average fantasy world, and usually break the flavor of the setting. I mean, what's the point in playing a different setting, if you bend everything to be available in that setting. Completely beats the point and the flavor.

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There are exceptions of course, like the Psychic Rogue from the Mind's Eye (WotC web enhancement to (Expanded) Psionic Handbook) would just fit the setting perfectly, moreso than the regular D&D setting. But those are exceptions, not the norm. There's a decent list of varied classes within the Artas manual, so I really don't see the need to whine for something else.

Muse

Indeed, (though isn't it the Athas manual?) 

So, bearing in mind the theme here, who'se playing a (male) slaver, and who a (female) loyal slave? 
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Quote from: Tom (pbemtom) on November 12, 2007, 07:45:06 AM
I was thinking something like Rogue/Gladiator. Human, possibly Mul. Noble girl, come street rat, come gladiator, come slave.

By the way, I like the concept of the run away noble girl getting enslaved and becoming a gladiator, but a Mul wouldn't be a noble.  Muls normally only happen when a dwarves and humans are bread together explicitly to be slaves.  I suppose a rich merchant or templar might dally with a dwarf slave, but a free dwarf doesn't seem very likely to me right off the bat. 
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Athas, yes, my mistake.

IIRC (though I haven't looked into my Dark Sun manual in years, so I could be wrong here), Muls can't even be bred by natural methods and need magical/psionic interference.

My character would be a slaver. My cohort could be a slave.

I'm going with Shaper as my discipline, by the way.

Zaer Darkwail

Nice, shapers astral constructs are nice boost in combat :). But there are some rule referances in complete psionics, exampy only able summon ONE minion whit astral consturct (but there is PrC there which breaks the limit). So will we follow accoridng expanded handbook rules or complete psionic ones?

Anycase definently slaver here.

Tom

Quote from: Muse on November 12, 2007, 05:14:09 PM
By the way, I like the concept of the run away noble girl getting enslaved and becoming a gladiator, but a Mul wouldn't be a noble.  Muls normally only happen when a dwarves and humans are bread together explicitly to be slaves.  I suppose a rich merchant or templar might dally with a dwarf slave, but a free dwarf doesn't seem very likely to me right off the bat. 

Yeah, you're right. I'll keep her human. I'm about half-finished with the character. Hope to get it done by tomorrow.

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Do we know each other or do we meet in the game, I would prefer the second even if it means slower entrance into the actual game

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QuoteHokey dory we are back

So we should be well enough, a bit light on the melee front but with the Shapers pet we should be doing well enough.

So what’s the plan do we know each other or do we start of from a point ware we are still slaves and do not know each other. I would prefer some combination ware we do not know each other simply because it can be a bit aquared with the you have bin adventuring for years line when the characters really do not know what the others will do in most situations

The still slaves or just newly free scenario might take a bit longer to get us together but it sounds all together more natural?

Well, first of, Zaer and me both play slavedrivers, so us knowing each other as a headstart makes sense.

As for the rest, the whole idea seems to me like you more or less grew to a more or less selfresponsible position over time. That would take months if not years of gametime to play out.

Far eyes

I was asking more along the lines of ware we start just before the characters encounter each other for what ever reason. Or if we already know each other

I didn’t mean role playing the whole background :)
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I have sent Muse a character for approval. A Rogue 4, Gladiator 2 human female.

Muse

Well, looking at what I've got so far, one idea of mine for where we start is with a Templar traveling with a band of slave girls along the trade road.  The gals in the group are the slave girls, and the guys are the already formed, but small band of slavers.  And we open with a scene where they go for the Templar's goods? 
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Xillen

Sounds ok to me storywise. But if the band consists of PC's only, then it's 2 PC's vs 2 PC's+Cohort+NPC Templar... and you want the former to win without killing?

Zaer Darkwail

I am fine, and as slave drivers we are meanted to capture 'goods' without harming them or killing them so for my characther becomes challenge to capture women wihtout using his sword :P. Anycase I hope Templar haves warrior retinue so I get chance to use expansion + Cleave abilities XD.

Far eyes

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Zaer Darkwail

*ponders*

Hmmm, now that I think of it Expansion ability haves intresting variant uses......

*grins evilly*

Far eyes

Doubles in size :Ti hi hi:

The duration might be a bit of a problem if it expires mid act, talk about catastrophic failure :P
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Zaer Darkwail

Whit late rmanfiester levels I can increase 1 min duration to 10 min duration per ML ;). But not now I am sure of it but it at least gives advantage in grappling and pin your char XD.

Far eyes

Well I am rather petite (Read Small) and have a 8 for str so that means my grapple check is -1 :Eeek:
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I have a feeling you're going to have more problems grappling with my gladiator female....

Muse

So, who still needs work? 

And who'se still walking around decked out with metal equipment for the same price as most places, or worse, non-existent metals like Mithril? 
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Far eyes

*Looks at her not even masterwork leather armor*

If we can use flaws I will gladly get rid of this to, I just need a feat (UA)
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Flaws are good.  ^_^  (Collar Bait (Weak willed) -3 to will save, ftw) 
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Far eyes

Now I am really gentle, with small and 6 str and a Cha of 19 it should be clear Natalia is no manual labor slave  :o
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Quote from: Muse on November 15, 2007, 11:28:48 AM
And who'se still walking around decked out with metal equipment for the same price as most places, or worse, non-existent metals like Mithril? 

*hides his admantium flachion*

Tom

I have a single metal item (weapon), or rather my owner has one that I use.

Far eyes

I think I will take my melee weapon and invest the money into something more character like
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Hmm to bad this didn’t take off over the weekend I ended up sitting around at home for most of it :(

Well my character is finished
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Ugh, I'm slacking. I've been looking over the powerlist for a few hours, since the powers you pick essentially determine your capabilities throughout the game. The only time before where I played a Psion, it was a Telepath, and a Shaper is something different. I didn't wanna go with just Astral Construct and then stuff it up with blast spells (though I did take the Metacreatibity blast spells), and I tried staying away from Telepathy as well, since our Wilder was covering that. Despite my busy weekend I managed to complete the list. All there's left is gear. Since my cohort will be a cleric, the class I played the most by far, I should've rolled one in no time.

Spoken about that cohort:
- Any limits to Elements/Domains?
- Ability scores?
- Am I supposed to gear her up with gold from my main char, or does she have gear on her own?
- Any specifics you want her to have?

Zaer Darkwail

I would suggest following ruling; The cohort haves gear egual to cohort's ECL from NPC goldlist for that level. Another is a PC gold but whit -1 to the cohort's ECL to determine the gold to her level (so she would receive gold as PC of 3lvl).

Muse

Spoken about that cohort:
- Any limits to Elements/Domains?
- Ability scores?
- Am I supposed to gear her up with gold from my main char, or does she have gear on her own?
- Any specifics you want her to have?

no limits to elements or domain.  Ability rolls the same as yours.  Zaer's right, gear from the NPC gold table in the DMG.  The rest is up to you. 
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Far enough along for me to set up an OOC and sheet space, I hope. 
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Quote from: Muse on November 15, 2007, 11:28:48 AMAnd who'se still walking around decked out with metal equipment for the same price as most places, or worse, non-existent metals like Mithril?

Actually, I just checked it again, and the Athar ruleset states that you can have metal items, as long as you spend 100 times the normal price on it.

A starting money of 13000 gp in regular D&D equals 13000 Cp (=130 gp) in Dark Sun.

Any normal nonmetal item that would cost XX gp in regular D&D would cost XX Cp in Dark Sun.
Any metal item that would cost XX gp in regular D&D, would cost XX00 XP (=XX gp) in Dark Sun.

So a longsword that normally costs 15 gp, would cost 1500 Cp (=15gp) in Dark Sun. A masterwork version would cost 300 Cp more or 1800 Cp (the equivalent of 1800 gp in a normal universe).
There are also stone (heavier than normal, but most durable after metal), wood (lighter than normal, but less durable than stone) and bone (half normal price, -1 to hit, -1 damage) variants of most items that have the associated cost in Cp. Thus a stone or wooden longsword would cost 15 Cp, while a bone longsword would cost 7 Cp, 5 bits.

Zaer Darkwail

Hmmmm, so mithril chain shirt can be actually be buyable with our starting gold but my +1 admantium falchion would break anything less than large city money population to buy it (around 500K cp) :P. Could DM allow me keep it (buy it normal universe prize) as source for plots and numerous robbers and bandits try steal it from me XD.

Xillen

Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on November 26, 2007, 02:30:36 AMHmmmm, so mithril chain shirt can be actually be buyable with our starting gold but my +1 admantium falchion would break anything less than large city money population to buy it (around 500K cp) :P. Could DM allow me keep it (buy it normal universe prize) as source for plots and numerous robbers and bandits try steal it from me XD.

We start with the normal universe equivalent of 13000gp, which is 13000 Ceramic pieces. This equals 130 gold pieces. A mithril chain shirt would raise the cost by 1000 gold pieces and thus be far out of our reach. Likewise, that adamantite weapon costs 3000 gold pieces more than normal, being even more insane to get.

Metal is special. Getting a metal chain shirt costs 100gp, which only takes up around 75% of your starting money. If you'd bother to make it masterwork, it would cost 101,5gp instead. Likewise, that metal falchion would cost 75gp, 78gp if you wish to make it a masterwork. A +1 metal falchion would be 98gp.

Zaer Darkwail

Aha, I see. then I need edit alot my charsheet because I need change both my armor and weapon. Anycase I doubt that you can make chain shirt out of wooden links (or can it?) then what material it would be? A lizardskin? Anycase flachion will be +1 stone falchion then.

Muse

Thanks, Zaer.  There's something called...  Um...  Chiton breastplate?  It's equivelent to chains shirt? 
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