Interest Check: Pathfinder 2nd edition - Troubles in Otari > Abomination Vaults.

[Revelation]

Evil stirs in the depths of the Abomination Vaults, a sprawling dungeon where the evil sorcerer Belcorra Haruvex attempted to raise an army of monsters hundreds of years ago. Brave heroes must venture into a dungeon full of beasts and traps to prevent a spiteful villain from rising again.

��Greetings, group players of Elliquiy. There has been a bit of a dearth when it comes to system based group games on Elliquiy as of late. And I have been itching to give play by posts another go. And yet as I mentioned, there are few and far between.

As such, there is an old saying. 'If you want to see a system based game on Elliquiy and there are none around, you gotta do it yourself'. Or something like that as the ancient scriptures say.

Enough fooling around for now though - In short, I am looking to potentially take on the GM'ing mantle of a PF2 game on Elliquiy. I have not DM'd properly in a woefully long time. And I have never GM'd PF2 before. So those are some caveats to consider if you are interested. We would likely start with the beginner's box adventure 'Troubles in Otari' to begin with - first to test the waters, test my ability to DM, and of course, see how well the group can play together on the forums and stick around. Should everything be gucci therein, I would like to try my hand at running Abomination Vaults. Abomination Vaults as an adventure path kind of encompass a megadungeon style adventure and are more combat heavy but that doesn't mean there won't be chances for RP, socialization, and non combat solutions.

There are a few further caveats I will get into below - so please take this all into account when you decide if this sounds to be for you or not.

1) I will be looking for 4-5 players for this game. It will not be first come, first served. I will try to select based off of neat characters, party composition, and probably some other factors that I can't get into or am unable to easily ascertain.

2) With the death of Elliquiy's Dicebot (RIP), I will most likely be making a discord server for this to handle dice and probably OOC discussion. As such, consider Discord usage a requirement for this game.

3) I like pretty characters and anime-esque art. As such this could be considered the aesthetic I'd be going for. I will also be upfront and say AI art for character references is verboten. Sorry. Personal preference.

4) Posting rate is intended to be somewhat regular - I would like to make sure players and myself stay engaged with the RP, but I don't have any particular set rate in mind for the moment.

5) I want everyone to have fun. As such, if we aren't having fun, I will try to remedy things and/or work them out. There will be some bumps and rocky roads as I get accustomed to DM'ing again, so please consider this as well.

6) Smut of NPC to PC sorts may not be a big thing in this game. Monsters for example will more likely try to eat you than bang you. I have no issues if PC's want to get frisky with one another, though. But I will likely keep the hanky panky in a separate thread.



OK. This is the first time I've ever done an interest check like this before in my Elliquiy life. I am sure there are a billion things I should have covered but I did not, so like... If you have questions, comments, concerns, etc, please ask them and I will do my best to answer.

Thank you for reading this.

[AndyZ]

Interested, but I’m bad at figuring out if art is made by AI or not.  If I submit one that’s AI, can I ask you to let me know so I can pick another?

[Revelation]

Interested, but I’m bad at figuring out if art is made by AI or not.  If I submit one that’s AI, can I ask you to let me know so I can pick another?

I won't say I have the keenest eye for discerning it every time, but I think I can probably at least do some searching to see if art is AI or not - there are some methods I use for such.

[AndyZ]

I won't say I have the keenest eye for discerning it every time, but I think I can probably at least do some searching to see if art is AI or not - there are some methods I use for such.

Well, if I submit and I have no idea, but if it’s AI, I welcome you to let me know and I’ll find another picture.

[Revelation]

Well, if I submit and I have no idea, but if it’s AI, I welcome you to let me know and I’ll find another picture.

That would be my intention. I would just let a player know the character art isn't gucci and then request them to find something else. Using it won't immediately make your character get denied.

[Ixy]

I am quite interested.  I like PF, but I -sometimes- have a hard time keeping up with the differences between 2e and whatever the other types of PF there are.  I just, like, never get to play it and don't read the news about it.

When you determine how you'd like to see applications, et cetera, I'll write something up for you to review/reject/crucify/accept.  Much depends on the setting, of course, but I could see submitting a downtrodden ranger with bottle issues or a spunky, verbose rogue (grown-up, female Tom Sawyer).

With Discord as a backbone to support the forum game, there's a huge potential for success.

Hope this works out-- kudos to you for raising the flag and bracing for impact!

[Pumpkin Seeds]

I have been wanting to give PF2e a try. Are we doing the new or old? Asking because I think I would want to try a wizard. 

[Revelation]

I am quite interested.  I like PF, but I -sometimes- have a hard time keeping up with the differences between 2e and whatever the other types of PF there are.  I just, like, never get to play it and don't read the news about it.

When you determine how you'd like to see applications, et cetera, I'll write something up for you to review/reject/crucify/accept.  Much depends on the setting, of course, but I could see submitting a downtrodden ranger with bottle issues or a spunky, verbose rogue (grown-up, female Tom Sawyer).

With Discord as a backbone to support the forum game, there's a huge potential for success.

Hope this works out-- kudos to you for raising the flag and bracing for impact!

PF2 is a different beast from PF1 for sure. Less complicated in some aspects, other parts expanded. Martial/Caster disparity isn't nearly as impactful as it is in 1e and the martial based classes are quite potent in their own right.

The setting will be default Golarion most likely - but with how hodgepodge the default setting it, and with me probably allowing things that most would consider unusual/rare, there will be the opportunity for all sorts of character types. A downtrodden ranger or a spunky rogue are both great concepts to go with.

Thanks for the well wishes. Right now I'm just seeing how much interest there may be!

I have been wanting to give PF2e a try. Are we doing the new or old? Asking because I think I would want to try a wizard.

I believe I have the revised core PHB - as it doesn't have the Champion Class which was core in the first printing. That being said, most classes save for the Animist and Exemplar will be allowed (Those two are still in playtest if I recall, and, the Exemplar is a very unusual class given it's the only one that is explicitly deemed 'Rare' to my knowledge).

As such I am coming into this with the expectation but not the demand that most people will have access to the revised core book(s).

[AndyZ]

I got my 2e book a few years ago and it has Champions as a class.  Is it the wrong one?

[Revelation]

I got my 2e book a few years ago and it has Champions as a class.  Is it the wrong one?

That is the original printing.

I'm unsure if the SRD's are updated with the current revisions or not, it seems they do not but on the other hand, I'll work with anyone who lacks the revised core book to make sure everyone is on the same page. Not every change is massive, and some are easy to work with explaining. Lacking the revised core book(s) is not a dealbreaker.

[Pumpkin Seeds]

My understanding is revised closely follows the original but wizard and witch are different.

[Revelation]

Revised does some things like lump the Tiefling/Aasimar/other planarborn heritages as 'Nephilim', changes spell mechanics a bit, and in general there are some other minor fluff & rule updates. I don't think any of it should really be a dealbreaker if a PC lacks access to it.

That being said, the Archives of Nethys website (the PF2 SRD site), did say they were working on adding the revisions and that should be 'soon', so we'll see!

[Sorvoe551]

I'd definitely be interested. I had experience with PF2e (currently in a weekly campaign on Tuesdays). I have an idea for a character. I just have a quick question. Will the Free Archetype rule be allowed? That's where you get an extra feat once every two levels to add a feat associated with an Archetype you pick and meet the prerequisites for.

Second, while I understand AI art is banned, could I screenshot a mini from Roll20? It's what I usually make my characters with. I can find a proper image if that isn't allowed.

[Revelation]

Will the Free Archetype rule be allowed?

I'll admit I am unfamiliar with this rule, so I will have to look into it. But it's not off the table if people would like/prefer this rule be in. It's an alternative rule in the core books it seems though so in theory I have no issues against it, and it would allow for more versatile/potent characters.

could I screenshot a mini from Roll20?

In theory I have no issues against this, but if by chance the character is selected they may look incongruous with the rest of the party but that depends on what characters get accepted. So just keep that in mind is all.

[Sorvoe551]

Fair enough. I assume we’re starting at Level 1?

[Revelation]

That is most likely the case - standard level 1 character creation.

[pdragon]

Throwing in interest. 

Would a beastkin monk be good? 

[Sorvoe551]

Firstly, love the MGS3 reference in your signature.

Second, man does she look cool. Monks are pretty good in 2e, I'd definitely think she could be a good addition

[Revelation]

Throwing in interest.

Would a beastkin monk be good?

A beastkin monk would be fine. Though I am curious as to what ancestry you would use to represent a beastkin. I would probably use a catfolk for the ancestry.

It's looking like we have some healthy interest, so that's good news.

[Sorvoe551]

I mean, she has cat ears in the portraits.

[pdragon]

@Revelation 
I assume it's just human, the cat part comes from being a beastkin. Throwing beastkin on top of an already beast race doesn't really work, does it? 

@Sorvoe551
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[Revelation]

I assume it's just human, the cat part comes from being a beastkin. Throwing beastkin on top of an already beast race doesn't really work, does it? 

Ah, you mean the versatile heritage proper. It's classified as a rare heritage but I see little reason to forbid it.

[pdragon]

Ah, you mean the versatile heritage proper. It's classified as a rare heritage but I see little reason to forbid it.

Yeah, that's why I wanted to ask if it would be ok since I wasn't sure what was allowed, especially since there are apparently different version now as well. Thank you. 

[Raku]

Going to see if I can get in on this. Going to try playing as a spellcaster. Can we use anything from the player’s guide to help?

[Sorvoe551]

@Sorvoe551
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Ah, my apologies. Assumed incorrectly. Still looks cool.

[pdragon]

Ah, my apologies. Assumed incorrectly. Still looks cool.

It's all good bro

[AndyZ]

I’m looking at Oracle.  We have anyone else looking at that?

[Revelation]

Ixy: Rogue or Ranger
Pdragon: Monk
AndyZ: Oracle

Those are what people seem to be looking at so far, class wise.

[Sorvoe551]

I'm considering either a Champion or a Gunslinger. Raku is considering a Spellcaster of some kind.

[Pumpkin Seeds]

Was considering a Wizard.

[Ershin]

That is the original printing.

I'm unsure if the SRD's are updated with the current revisions or not, it seems they do not but on the other hand, I'll work with anyone who lacks the revised core book to make sure everyone is on the same page. Not every change is massive, and some are easy to work with explaining. Lacking the revised core book(s) is not a dealbreaker.

While it can sometimes be a bit unclear on Archives of Nethys what is and what isn't Remaster content (at least when going over things with my IRL group this weekend when building characters I think there was a case it showed old info but can't remember what it was specifically), I can advise that at the very least for character stuff Pathbuilder is fully up to date and has a little tag at the top of each object, class, feat etc. showing what is and isn't Remaster content.

Also, planting flag of interest - need to read through the opening post again and then fret over the sheer amounts of choices for what's available while making something story-appropriate.
Else I might post something like a Magus Goblin with a gun >_>

[c0i9z]

How about a ratfolk rogue?

[Chulanowa]

I'm interested, but I've never really been able to "get" PF2E. Gormless newbishness allowed?
 
Also c0i9z I love her

[Hexed]

Pathfinder 2e?  Neat.

I tend to use nethys for my stuff so only as up to date as it is. :)

Is the poppet race an available option?

[Revelation]

I can advise that at the very least for character stuff Pathbuilder is fully up to date and has a little tag at the top of each object, class, feat etc. showing what is and isn't Remaster content. S

Considering I will probably guide/direct people to use Pathbuilder, this is ideal then. As far as what's allowed, I'm trying to remain open - but some ancestries and such might be a bit too out there at initial glance. Nothing against unusual concepts, just that some might stretch belief a little.

How about a ratfolk rogue?

Ratfolk/Ysoki would be allowed.

I'm interested, but I've never really been able to "get" PF2E. Gormless newbishness allowed?
 
Also c0i9z I love her

I'm a newbie DM to PF2 should this happen. As such new players are welcome as long as they are willing to learn the rules and such.

Pathfinder 2e?  Neat.

I tend to use nethys for my stuff so only as up to date as it is. :)

Is the poppet race an available option?

The poppet ancestry is labeled as rare and I can see why. My main concern outside of the actual rarity of the ancestry is that Poppets might look a bit too childlike for Elliquiy and as such I could see that causing some trouble for a viable reference. Of course I'm willing to be flexible provided one can find a 'mature' looking image for a poppet, but this is an instance where I feel the unique nature of the ancestry could be a bit tricky to finagle into the game. Ultimately I will say it depends on the submission/idea.

[Hexed]

Perfectly understandable problems with poppet. Had a chucky style idea but if can't find a decent pic have no problem going for another ancestry.

Looking into kineticist or summoner at the moment.

[Sorvoe551]

So it turns out mobile doesn’t like allowing you to copy images into these threads. I’ll post my character images when I get home from work, see if they’re acceptable 

[Hexed]

Lets see if this works and which ones pass muster picture wise. :D











Got a couple concepts bouncing around my head. Just need to see which one shakes loose.

[Revelation]

Lets see if this works and which ones pass muster picture wise. :D











Got a couple concepts bouncing around my head. Just need to see which one shakes loose.

The first two I am afraid fail the AI-test. #3 should be fine for a character though.

[Hexed]

Well fiddle fuck. Out of curiosity what was it about the first pic?  Curious as I evidently missed it. :)


Having looked at work I do think I'll put together a dex based kineticist to offer. It seems interesting.

[Revelation]

I did a reverse image search and found it on an AI-image site. I don't like turning down imagery but I admit I have personal biases against AI art for the most part.

A kineticist will be interesting as I've not seen one in play before.

With the amount of interest so far, I hope to have a proper recruitment thread up sometime this week.

[Ershin]

Just out of curiosity, which reverse image search do you use? I've got an image which I'm not certain if it's AI or not that could be neat for an Orc Witch, but don't want to break the rules. I've used saucenao and tineye on it with no results but just want to be sure

Oh wait no, never mind. Google image search confirms AI. Darn.

[Revelation]

Just out of curiosity, which reverse image search do you use? I've got an image which I'm not certain if it's AI or not that could be neat for an Orc Witch, but don't want to break the rules. I've used saucenao and tineye on it with no results but just want to be sure

Google reverse image search and Yandex help significantly in matters like this. Yandex is usually a smidge more useful.

[Ershin]

This one definitely is because look at that tooth but I'm not 100% on this one
They're very similar so they might use the same prompts, but the fingers on the second don't look eldritch. The lack of source has me thinking AI though. 

[Sorvoe551]

This is the possible Automaton Champion. Absolutely chunky lad named Akeron.



And this is my Halfling Gunslinger, Eagle-Eye (I have an alternate pic for her if this one is AI)

[Chulanowa]

Well fiddle fuck. Out of curiosity what was it about the first pic?  Curious as I evidently missed it. :)

First giveaway is that it has a rather "picrew" style (basically a pre-AI paperdoll image maker) Like it looks like a "stock" image where the wings have been added on or different colors tried or the like. And it probably could have been drawn from something like that. What gives it away "as AI" is mostly the nonsensical har-strapping. The lower part of the halter is a giveaway too, and the fact that the irises of the eyes are unevenly shaped. Also the hands are conspicuously omitted :)

but I'm not 100% on this one

Yup, also AI. it still has that "stock image" look (AI farms are starting to get very uniform - the "chonky braid" is a big tell for instance) but the most obvious? Look at her leg. Green goblin got a random brown leg! 


I'm gonna peruse the Player's GUide a bit, and then rummage something up! Might be the boring guy and just make a human fighter dude named Dan. Dan Portnoy, sword-for-slingin;. IDK yet

[Hexed]

hadn't even noticed those messups. Q.Q

Got kinda upset too as I used the info here about reverse lookup and a bunch of art I'd tagged as possible character ideas was traced back to AI. Hells I've yet to find anything on pinterest that doesn't trace back to AI. o.o

Didn't realize it was so prevalent.

[pdragon]

And this is my Halfling Gunslinger, Eagle-Eye (I have an alternate pic for her if this one is AI)

The little crayon on the corner is the watermark for Craiyon, an ai program. They actually make it the easiest to tell in that regard.

[Sorvoe551]

Ah, fuck. Oh well.

Here’s the alternate. I have to link to a post because I’m on mobile right now. Hex will recognize it.

I’ll post it officially here once I get home later.

[Athem]

I'm interested - probably a human fighter with a gladiator background.

[Sorvoe551]

This is the proper image for Eagle Eye since the original is AI. I have more backups ready to go, just in case.

[Ershin]

You know, the more I look at it the more I'm thinking about Thaumaturge. Chalice implement and loading up on Medicine feats and dedications to be something akin to a plague doctor.

Maybe gnoll? They seem the sort to keep a bunch of weird trinkets to do the stuff Thaumaturges do. If you're against using hyena person I'll pick up something else before finalising a concept.

Then again... Goblin magus with a gun, graceful ratfolk swashbuckler, human cleric and a bunch of others are floating around me noggin, with so many options it's hard to choose

[Revelation]

You know, the more I look at it the more I'm thinking about Thaumaturge. Chalice implement and loading up on Medicine feats and dedications to be something akin to a plague doctor.

Maybe gnoll? They seem the sort to keep a bunch of weird trinkets to do the stuff Thaumaturges do. If you're against using hyena person I'll pick up something else before finalising a concept.

Then again... Goblin magus with a gun, graceful ratfolk swashbuckler, human cleric and a bunch of others are floating around me noggin, with so many options it's hard to choose

I play a Thaumaturge in a game. It's a lot of fun, very unique class that provides ample roleplay opportunity. Also, Diverse Lore is probably a broken class feat but not broken enough to get nerfed.

The other character options are all quality, though.

Chances are I will throw up an official recruitment thread this weekend, possibly a day or so earlier but that depends on my work schedule.

[Athem]

Here's the pic I'm thinking of using for my former gladiator. (Computer generated, but not AI.)

Valdis, an Ulfen, still wearing the revealing armor of her gladiator days.

[Hexed]

more pictures as we wait. :D

One of a sylph ancestry I think.



A tiefling though not fond of the weapons.



A blazing ifrit ancestry




And then a bog standard human. :)

[Revelation]

more pictures as we wait. :D

One of a sylph ancestry I think.



A tiefling though not fond of the weapons.



A blazing ifrit ancestry

I believe the last is Toph from Avatar the Last Airbender who is a teen - don't think she'd work, but the others are fine.

Here's the pic I'm thinking of using for my former gladiator. (Computer generated, but not AI.)

Valdis, an Ulfen, still wearing the revealing armor of her gladiator days.

CG art is fine, as well.

[AndyZ]

I’m still interested, but I’m not very good at this system.  Most likely I’ll ask for help when the Discord is up.

[Sorvoe551]

Just want to make sure Revelation saw my pics because they haven't been commented on yet

[AndyZ]

What’s the deal with Cavern Elves?  Do they look like Drow?

[Chulanowa]

Man I've got... A few options in my brain, lol

Leading the pack right now is a goblin barbarian

(art by Rapscallion / Chimneysweep)

Followed by an Elf Witch or Sorcerer (some sort of finger-wriggler)

(Art by Iooji)

Along with a few others

You know. nothing excessive.

[Hexed]

I believe the last is Toph from Avatar the Last Airbender who is a teen - don't think she'd work, but the others are fine.

It's been a while but I've used that one before. I think the ruling was it was different enough to count as aged up or something. Can easily find another human alt if you'd rather. :)


Kineticist build is looking to be air/metal with fire added at first junction so I've been trying to keep that in mind when looking for pics. Not that a kineticist's gates effect their looks but still.

What’s the deal with Cavern Elves?  Do they look like Drow?

I think the Cavern Elves are Drow. Just renamed as part of the pull away from D&D after wizards did it's stupid in regards to open license bit.

[AndyZ]

It's been a while but I've used that one before. I think the ruling was it was different enough to count as aged up or something. Can easily find another human alt if you'd rather. :)


Kineticist build is looking to be air/metal with fire added at first junction so I've been trying to keep that in mind when looking for pics. Not that a kineticist's gates effect their looks but still.


I think the Cavern Elves are Drow. Just renamed as part of the pull away from D&D after wizards did it's stupid in regards to open license bit.

Thank you.  I’ve never played one because all the Lolth stuff turned me off, but they look cool.  It might be fun to play one as just a form of underground elf without all the evil stuff.

[Ershin]

Man I've got... A few options in my brain, lol

Leading the pack right now is a goblin barbarian

(art by Rapscallion / Chimneysweep)

Followed by an Elf Witch or Sorcerer (some sort of finger-wriggler)

(Art by Iooji)

You know. nothing excessive.

Chula seems to have the same problem as me when making characters. Too many in the pile I think of and save for later. ._.

[Revelation]

Just want to make sure Revelation saw my pics because they haven't been commented on yet

If you're referring to the image on the top of page 3/this page, it should be fine.

What’s the deal with Cavern Elves?  Do they look like Drow?

According to google, Cavern Elves aren't meant to be or replace Drow - they just appear to be Elves who live in caves. That being said, I'm not particularly going to fuss over something like that. I do know that Drow are more or less vioded out of PF2 with the core book/OGL revisions though.

It's been a while but I've used that one before. I think the ruling was it was different enough to count as aged up or something. Can easily find another human alt if you'd rather. :)

I admit the toph image would probably be a pass if only because i err towards safer than sorry. The other images would be fine, or if you wanted to find more, that's also fine.

Man I've got... A few options in my brain, lol

Leading the pack right now is a goblin barbarian

(art by Rapscallion / Chimneysweep)

Followed by an Elf Witch or Sorcerer (some sort of finger-wriggler)

(Art by Iooji)

Along with a few others

You know. nothing excessive.

These are fine. No issues that i can see.

Chula seems to have the same problem as me when making characters. Too many in the pile I think of and save for later. ._.

It is a popular problem to have in my experience. So many characters, so little time.

I am working on getting the recruitment thread up tonight, but I cannot make any particular promises as to it actually being tonight. If not tonight, then tomorrow.

[AndyZ]

Revelation, I’ve decided to just straight up ask if it’s okay if I hit you up on Discord for help.  I think I have maybe half the character done, but I have very little PF2 experience and some stuff still confuses me.

[Sorvoe551]

Revelation, I’ve decided to just straight up ask if it’s okay if I hit you up on Discord for help.  I think I have maybe half the character done, but I have very little PF2 experience and some stuff still confuses me.

I can also help if you'd like. I'm in the E Discord under the same name as here if you're on there. If not, let me know and I can send you my true username there

[Revelation]

Recruitment thread is live.

This thread has served its purpose and while I will not lock the thread yet (So people can grab their images and stuff easily from it), this thread is now defunct and please direct all questions to the recruitment thread.