Topless day at Venice Beach!

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Trieste

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-484938?hpt=C2

I loved watching this video. What the men who are trying to oppose this (why does it always seem to be men?) don't realize is that by giving women the power to lead them to Hell, they are empowering us much more than they ever intended. Of course, it's also placing a huge burden on women just for having breasts: my sin is your fault, they say.

Which is not true. Every man is responsible for his own sins, and I'm pretty sure it says so in the Bible.  ::)

By the way, my favorite was "put the tit in constitutional". :D

Wolfy

I notice the Camera stays above the breast line. :P

Plus, doesn't it also say that Woman came from Man's rib? So..techniqually, men are the cause of the women leading them to hell, eh? o3o

Trieste

Quote from: Wolfy on August 26, 2010, 10:41:04 PM
I notice the Camera stays above the breast line. :P

Plus, doesn't it also say that Woman came from Man's rib? So..techniqually, men are the cause of the women leading them to hell, eh? o3o

Well, it had to remain appropriate for CNN's website, which tries not to show bare breasts.

Serephino

What I thought was funny was someone asked the guy about Adam and Eve, and he said they sinned and put on clothes.  Wouldn't that mean that being nude is a pre-sin thing?  Also, if he would have read Genesis, he would know that God was disappointed in the fact that they felt the need to put on clothes. 

I see no issue with it.  I see the human body as a work of art to be appreciated.  I walk around naked in my own home.  Clothes are so confining, and being naked is cooler when it's hot.  I also agree that it is a bit sexist to let us men show our bare chests, but not women because they aren't flat.

Brandon

Im all for gender equality and I never really understood why boobs couldnt be shown in public but I tend to think its because they can be "arousing". Then again a woman with beautiful breasts, clothed or otherwise, can arouse me so that doesnt make much sense.

There are topless and even nude beaches all over the world so why cant we have them in the US beyond maybe private beaches?

With the men claiming that this leads to perversion, homosexuality, and pedophilia (Im not 100% sure they said this last one) I can pretty much only say that if they want to go off and claim a land to form a country where the laws of Christianity are the laws of the land thats fine. However in the US and other countries the religious laws are not the laws of the land, to try and force people outside of that religion to follow them is quite stupid IMO. As long as they choose to live there they must follow the laws of the land, not the laws of the faith
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Trieste

What I wonder is how seeing breasts all the time could possibly lead to homosexuality. Are they afraid men will become immune to the power of boobies? 'Cause if that's the reasoning, I'm not sure they're being honest with themselves...

Brandon

If I understand the reasoning (and I use that word loosely) they think that breasts out in the open leads to perversion and over time that perversion will increase to other kinds of perversion.

I suppose their reasoning is a bit like drug use. Some people will start with Marijuana and once they develop a resistance to it and need more to get high they move to other more potent drugs like cocaine.
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Lilias

I've seen plenty of topless sunbathing on Greek beaches since I was a kid. After the first couple of times, I didn't bat an eyelid, and neither did any of the kids I hung out with.

But what do I know, I'm only a European reprobate :P

Or I'd never have ended up here, right? ;)
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Oniya

The first time that I went to a 'clothing optional' event, my reaction was 'Woahshiteyecontact!  LOTS of eye contact!'  By the end of the week, when we all met up at the nearby Pizza Hut, it was 'Oh, I didn't recognize you.  So that's what you look like with your clothes on!'
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Merlyn

I just find it funny that people relate things like this to religion.  Not to mention that if they're that concerned that it is sin, they can simply move to the mountains and become a non speaking monk.  That way they can't sin... until of course they get bored and start playing with themselves, since I'm sure that's even more of a sin than being topless.  ::)

Things like this are only a big deal because it's made into a big deal.  Sure topless women are arousing, especially in area's where it's a taboo in public, and is looked at as arousing.  Do you really think that it's looked at as being arousing in the African countries where it's normal to wear little more than a shred of cloth... if that?
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Quote from: Merlyn on August 27, 2010, 10:31:50 AM
Things like this are only a big deal because it's made into a big deal.  Sure topless women are arousing, especially in area's where it's a taboo in public, and is looked at as arousing.  Do you really think that it's looked at as being arousing in the African countries where it's normal to wear little more than a shred of cloth... if that?

Relevant to that, there are groups that got all up in arms about National Geographic for showing African and South American tribal women who went around topless.
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Hunter

Humor me: Would you want your five year old to see boobies?  Personally, I wouldn't want to explain sex to a five year old.

Trieste

... every five year old has seen boobies, at least if they are breast fed.

Hunter

Quote from: Trieste on August 27, 2010, 11:06:43 AM
... every five year old has seen boobies, at least if they are breast fed.

And...if they weren't?

Oniya

It's possible to explain breasts - and even penises - without getting into sex.  As this is 'topless' day, breasts are just what makes the difference between little girls and big girls.  Heck, just last night my roommate came down and was explaining why she had to ban a troll on the chat room she mods.  (Lest there is any misunderstanding, she just said that he came in on camera and did some things he shouldn't do.)  My 9-year-old asked 'what', and I told her he was showing the parts that should be covered with his underwear - which led into a reminder about how those parts are private.
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Wolfy

Quote from: Oniya on August 27, 2010, 11:14:40 AM
It's possible to explain breasts - and even penises - without getting into sex.  As this is 'topless' day, breasts are just what makes the difference between little girls and big girls.  Heck, just last night my roommate came down and was explaining why she had to ban a troll on the chat room she mods.  (Lest there is any misunderstanding, she just said that he came in on camera and did some things he shouldn't do.)  My 9-year-old asked 'what', and I told her he was showing the parts that should be covered with his underwear - which led into a reminder about how those parts are private.

But Oniya...breasts are covered by Underwear...does that make them private too, then? o3o

Trieste

Quote from: Hunter on August 27, 2010, 11:14:12 AM
And...if they weren't?

If they weren't, they probably still saw mommy naked.

And if they didn't see that, then they will point and wonder what's up with that, and just like every other unfamiliar physical characteristic, Mommy can say "It's part of their body, sweetie. It's called a breast and it's used for feeding little babies."

Boom, all done. There is no need to sexualize breasts all the time. People develop foot fetishes. It's not uncommon. High heels are sexualized. But you don't see people saying "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" about feet or high heels. It's the same concept. It's just a nipple.

Really.

Wolfy

Quote from: Trieste on August 27, 2010, 11:20:44 AM
If they weren't, they probably still saw mommy naked.

And if they didn't see that, then they will point and wonder what's up with that, and just like every other unfamiliar physical characteristic, Mommy can say "It's part of their body, sweetie. It's called a breast and it's used for feeding little babies."

Boom, all done. There is no need to sexualize breasts all the time. People develop foot fetishes. It's not uncommon. High heels are sexualized. But you don't see people saying "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" about feet or high heels. It's the same concept. It's just a nipple.

Really.

Well, unless you practice Islam...as I understand it, women have to be covered from head to toe, with basically only their eyes visible, when out in public.

Though...I never really understood the reason why. O-o...is is Masogony(I probably spelled that wrong)?, is it Tradition? Is there even a reason for it anymore? Hmm...

Then again, I could be confusing the whole thing with something else. o3o

Hunter

You also have to remember that people here have a "relaxed" view on sexuality (if they didn't they wouldn't be here, right?) but many people do NOT.  As far as they are concerned sexuality and sexual discussion isn't something appropriate for children.

I just ask that everyone remember: Just because it's okay from your viewpoint doesn't mean that it's okay from someone elses.  And their viewpoint isn't any more wrong or right than yours just because it's different.

Wolfy

Quote from: Hunter on August 27, 2010, 11:24:46 AM
You also have to remember that people here have a "relaxed" view on sexuality (if they didn't they wouldn't be here, right?) but many people do NOT.  As far as they are concerned sexuality and sexual discussion isn't something appropriate for children.

I just ask that everyone remember: Just because it's okay from your viewpoint doesn't mean that it's okay from someone elses.  And their viewpoint isn't any more wrong or right than yours just because it's different.

True..but sex education is being pushed to be taught at younger and younger ages, soo...o3o

Trieste

Quote from: Hunter on August 27, 2010, 11:24:46 AM
You also have to remember that people here have a "relaxed" view on sexuality (if they didn't they wouldn't be here, right?) but many people do NOT.  As far as they are concerned sexuality and sexual discussion isn't something appropriate for children.

I just ask that everyone remember: Just because it's okay from your viewpoint doesn't mean that it's okay from someone elses.  And their viewpoint isn't any more wrong or right than yours just because it's different.

Thank you for the reminder.

However, you are liking sexuality and sex to a physical trait that is not inherently sexual. It is fetishized and sexualized while growing up. We know this, we've seen the difference in other cultures. Just the same as the example I put out about feet, high heels. What about corsets? What about letting a child see a ping pong paddle? Paddles can be used in sexual play, but they can also be explained mundanely.

So can breasts.

"That's... that's just not right!" is not a valid reason for banning something.

Oniya

Quote from: Wolfy on August 27, 2010, 11:18:31 AM
But Oniya...breasts are covered by Underwear...does that make them private too, then? o3o

A 9-year-old typically doesn't have to cover their chest with underwear.  When it comes time to cover it, then it's for support - and at that point they should be old enough to be told more about sex.

Quote from: Wolfy on August 27, 2010, 11:24:26 AM
Well, unless you practice Islam...as I understand it, women have to be covered from head to toe, with basically only their eyes visible, when out in public.

Though...I never really understood the reason why. O-o...is is Masogony(I probably spelled that wrong)?, is it Tradition? Is there even a reason for it anymore? Hmm...

Then again, I could be confusing the whole thing with something else. o3o

Mysogyny - and I'm not certain it was the original (or current) reason for the concealing clothing.  I've seen at least one place where it was intended to shield the woman from the lustful gazes of other men.
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Wolfy

Well...our views as a country on Sexuality aren't really going to ever change, I would suspect...such things are so gradual that an iceberg would move faster. (or Melt faster, as the case would be currently)..so..yeah. o-o

Still, a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step, right? Who knows..maybe little Trieste or Oniya will be the start of that change. :D

RubySlippers

Real story. My friend had her new baby a son and was daring to ,get this, breast feed the baby in a Burger King and being pretty discrete but the towel came off for a moment the baby moving a bit and some couple got upset there son who was fourteen I would guess saw her breast.   :o Come on its natural for a breast to be attached to a baby feeding the child and it was a momentary event. I fixed her up right away.

I mean come on breasts there to feed babies I thought. Geesh!  ::)

This was just silly what if women went around topless most people would not think much of it after awhile I bet. There are some men on the beach I wish WOULD cover up their chests.  ;)

Lilias

Quote from: RubySlippers on August 27, 2010, 12:55:51 PM
There are some men on the beach I wish WOULD cover up their chests.  ;)

This. Right. There.

Can we implement a law that moobs are indecent exposure? They're not supposed to exist, after all! :P
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Wolfy

Quote from: Lilias on August 27, 2010, 01:01:12 PM
This. Right. There.

Can we implement a law that moobs are indecent exposure? They're not supposed to exist, after all! :P

D: *now has his feelings hurt* T_T *runs away crying*

Merlyn

Quote from: Lilias on August 27, 2010, 01:01:12 PM
This. Right. There.

Can we implement a law that moobs are indecent exposure? They're not supposed to exist, after all! :P

OOOH and guys that look like bears... or walrus's.

And honestly I wouldn't mind my child seeing breasts (if/when I have one.)  It is a natural part of the body.  Now if said women was shoving them in my child's face, or playing with her chest for pleasure, then I might get upset.  But honestly why not explain sex early?  You can explain it, and explain it's something that you do as an adult... not a child, so they don't need to worry about it.

And I can accept that others have their own views, but I also accept that I have a right to my own.  I have no problem with people having views.  My problem comes from when they try to dictate what others can and cannot do.  It wouldn't hurt anyone if a women was topless, and if someone doesn't like it they could go elsewhere.
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Trieste

People who get upset about public breastfeeding just upset me. I mean, come on people, that's what they're there for. It's one thing if you oppose random public breast-baring, okay whatever floats your boat. But to oppose breast-feeding when breast milk is one of the most key components of infant health? What are those people smoking?

Not to mention that the moment you try to justify something to me with "The Lord God commands...", you've lost me. I'm not Christian, I don't believe in God, I resent the very fact that someone thinks that their God can command me to eat a popsicle, let alone anything else. It's quite arrogant.

I really have yet to hear a single rational, non-religious argument supporting this discriminatory practice.

Oniya

Quote from: Trieste on August 27, 2010, 02:13:37 PM
I really have yet to hear a single rational, non-religious argument supporting this discriminatory practice.

Men don't like having blue balls.   O:)
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Lilias

I remember some *bleep* on Yahoo Answers, asking (really terrified) if his newborn daughter would be a lesbian if she was breastfed(!), because the babe 'attacked the breast' (!!) with much more gusto than her older brother had. All the suggestions that lesbians have existed for millennia, while alternatives to breastfeeding have existed for a century or so, went to waste. And of course the massive hairflip came when someone slyly suggested that he should be more worried that his son was gay, if he didn't like booby >:)
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Merlyn

Quote from: Lilias on August 27, 2010, 02:51:44 PM
I remember some *bleep* on Yahoo Answers, asking (really terrified) if his newborn daughter would be a lesbian if she was breastfed(!), because the babe 'attacked the breast' (!!) with much more gusto than her older brother had. All the suggestions that lesbians have existed for millennia, while alternatives to breastfeeding have existed for a century or so, went to waste. And of course the massive hairflip came when someone slyly suggested that he should be more worried that his son was gay, if he didn't like booby >:)
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Perhaps the guys are just upset because they have no chance at getting the women that are walking around topless.  After all look at the ones that are in the video...

Oh and did anyone else get a kick out of the fact that behind the fat one that didn't shut up there was a boy wearing a bikini top over his shirt?  It made me wonder why the guy didn't turn around and say that he was going to hell for cross dressing. Cause that seemed like something he'd say.
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Quote from: Wolfy on August 27, 2010, 11:24:26 AM
Well, unless you practice Islam...as I understand it, women have to be covered from head to toe, with basically only their eyes visible, when out in public.

Though...I never really understood the reason why. O-o...is is Masogony(I probably spelled that wrong)?, is it Tradition? Is there even a reason for it anymore? Hmm...

Then again, I could be confusing the whole thing with something else. o3o

Not quite. I'm no expert on the subject, but I believe it's down to a passage about women dressing modestly. It can be as little as a headscarf. The full body one I think is a more strict / fundamentalist thing.
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I'm of two minds on this - I don't particularly think that topless bathing is bad, but then again, I don't see a huge difference between your nether regions and yours breasts, in terms of sexuality. They are both sexually charged parts of the body in our society, though their proper functions are for breeding/nursing young children. I could understand a parent not wanting to have to explain public nudity - I think that some people think it will make their child too open with their own bodies, too willing to bare themselves.

Would I go to a topless beach? Maybe.

Would I bring my young children to one? Probably not.

I had an experience where I had my two young neices (four and six at the time) and we stumbled onto a private, nude beach. Naturally they were delighted and started giggling, asking why everyone was naked, and I had to sheperd them away and explain that they were naked because it was private property, and that there was nothing wrong with being naked, but that they had to save it for times it was appropriate.

Personally, I think the problem with public nudity is that it makes it so much harder to distinguish when it's proper to be naked, and when it's not. Afterall, if you're allowed to be naked on a beach with a group of men around you, why is it wrong to do it with one man, behind the school bleachers? A bit of an extreme example, I suppose.

Anyways, personally I see no reason not to allow it, just that there are some legitimate reasons as to why people would be against it. Even if they are a bit exaggerated and fear-mongering, as reasons go.

TheDarkMiko

I feel peole should do what they want....but stipulations need to be put in place. It's bad enough I see saggy old men chesticles. Adding some old woman's might send me over the edge of madness. A certain portion of the beach should be sanctioned off for those kinds of things.
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Serephino

Actually, society's view of sexuality has changed a lot in the past hundred years.  Think about how women used to dress; layers of clothing that covered up pretty much everything.  I can't remember where I heard this, but supposedly long tablecloths and table skirts were made because it was though that the sight of table legs would arouse men because it would get them to thinking about a woman's legs.  I remember it because it was so ridiculous I almost fell off the couch laughing. 

Up until the 20's a woman showing arms and shoulders was considered lewd.  We learned in 10th grade History that women started wearing those flapper dresses as sort of a way of rebelling and starting a sexual revolution.  But then it became okay to show your arms, but showing cleavage meant you were loose. 

When 'I Dream of Jeanie' was on the air Barbara Eden's costume stirred up a lot of controversy.  Apparently they couldn't show her belly button because that was inappropriate for children.  Now you have women running around in shorts so short their ass cheeks show, and they have on a tube top and a belly button ring.

I guess my point is that things that used to be considered sexual fifty years ago aren't anymore.  Each decade things seem to get a little more relaxed.  Right now it's perfectly fine for a woman to stroll down the beach in a string bikini that only covers up her breasts and nether regions.  If the woman is attractive men will be aroused by it, but skin isn't considered sexual anymore. 

I guess going topless is just the next step up.  Actually, I just had a thought.  As little as some bikini tops cover anymore, kids have already seen breasts, they just haven't seen nipples.... 

Wolfy

Indeed..there is plenty of Side-boob and underboob on TV and in video games. :P

Oniya

Quote from: Serephino on August 27, 2010, 08:59:06 PM
Actually, society's view of sexuality has changed a lot in the past hundred years.  Think about how women used to dress; layers of clothing that covered up pretty much everything.  I can't remember where I heard this, but supposedly long tablecloths and table skirts were made because it was though that the sight of table legs would arouse men because it would get them to thinking about a woman's legs.  I remember it because it was so ridiculous I almost fell off the couch laughing. 


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Quote from: Oniya on August 27, 2010, 09:26:29 PM
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Quote from: SesshoumarusPriestess on August 27, 2010, 08:14:13 PM
I feel peole should do what they want....but stipulations need to be put in place. It's bad enough I see saggy old men chesticles. Adding some old woman's might send me over the edge of madness. A certain portion of the beach should be sanctioned off for those kinds of things.

So, only pretty people should be allowed to be naked? If so, who defines what is pretty and acceptable?  Are only young women in their 20's with perfect breasts allowed to bare them? And must they be under a certain body weight?  What if some people don't find the same things attractive as those making the standards?

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Quote from: Trieste on August 27, 2010, 11:06:43 AM
... every five year old has seen boobies, at least if they are breast fed.

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