Epic at Elliquiy

[indarkestknight]

I've noticed a rather distinct lack of epic games at elliquiy. I'm not sure if it's because DMs are afriad to try this, or no players really care for epic. I for one, happen to like it, so I'm probing for intrest and overall preferences before setting down a definitive kind of game.

[Jefepato]

Color me interested.  More information would be good, though.

[LordAnubis]

I'm intrested in am epic kind of game.  Granted I also would want it epic with a system.  I like building up and in freeform, it just doesn't hold much meaning.  But even and Epic free form game I'd be happy to play.

[WarDragon]

If I'm not mistaken, Glab's referring to "D&D played at 21st character level and higher."

In which case, do I really have to tell you I'm up for it?

[LordAnubis]

Well either epic in 21st plus DnD or epic as in Big awesome story like Odysseus's boat trip.

You know on a side note, the title could be rewritten on that story "Worst boat trip imaginable"  Guess that goes to show, don't piss off the god of the seas right before you climb into a boat.

[indarkestknight]

Well, I'm interested in what you guys would like to play: what level, what alignments, what world. If I have some idea, I can hammer something from there.

[Jefepato]

what alignments

Chaotic evil is the only proper alignment.

[LordAnubis]

I prefer neutral to evil.  I never get to play evil and I can make a real sadistic bastard.

Either a level 1 starting to make a build from there, or 20 to have some serious powers to begin with and go forth to destroy/corrupt the world.

Has anyone played gestalt games before?  I got the unearthed arcana and always wanted to try one.

[indarkestknight]

I'd rather not deal with gestalt, for now. Too open to abuse. And poor WD... I know he prefers good alignments...

[WarDragon]

Indeed.  I could deal with stretching my evil wings, if that's the group concensus, though.  I'd prefer to start at higher level than lower.  In my experience, play-by-posts that start at 1st have little chance of ever reaching 21st.

Also, I'm sick of Faerun.

[indarkestknight]

Duly noted, WD, duly noted.

[Aphrodite]

I'd definitely be interested in joining. :) If, by epic, you mean a nice, long  RP? I think I know what you mean. heh.

anyway... the chatter's intruiged me. ^_^ What do you all have in mind?

[LordAnubis]

so high level evil campaign not in Faerun.  Oh, any books you want to disallow?  I've got a number of them available to me so before I go building a character should make sure to remove any books from the list you wouldn't want in.

You're probably right about the gestalt and it's abuse, just looks rather intresting.

[Mindhazingsquid]

It's too bad I don't have any books or I might like to play.

[LordAnubis]

Well, if you have an instant messanger, highspeed connection and the willingness to leave you computer on for awhile I can get you the basic ones. or just give you a link for character creation.

[LordAnubis]

and on that note, some GM's hate the Mystic Theurge.  Are you okay with that class?  If you are I have my character, just need the level.

[Mindhazingsquid]

I know d&d wel enough to use a character creatorl, though I may like a list (possibly description) of the allowed Prestige classes and how rules differe for over 20.
For a messenger I will have to get back to you when I get home.

[LordAnubis]

http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/home.html

for those without the books

You gain a bonus to your attacks every odd level I believe, not to your base attack bonus, just you're attacks.  So at level 20 your number of attacks per turn are locked.  You gain +1 to your saves at every even level, so the difference between your high save and low save won't grow any more.  There is a whole new feat list that becomes available.  You still gain hit dice like usual and caster levels continue to go up, but if you continue to a level 21 wizard you gain 1 tenth level spell, another level I believe adds a level 11th spell and so forth, that I'd have to check into.

Some class abilities continue to grow, like paladin cure disease, Ranger favored enemy and rogue sneak attacks.  Some abilities get replaced by bonus feats every couple of levels, like the enhanced unarmed damage of monks and the lore ability of the loremaster.

Any questions not answered?

[Mindhazingsquid]

Oh yeah, I forgot Neverwinter Nights had epic stuff, I know that they had to change the rules but it's a place to start or something.

[Elvi]

*sobs*
You're all going all numbers thingy on me aren't you....
*snuffles*

[LordAnubis]

Elvi I'd be more then willing to help you if you wanted to play.

[Elvi]

*whimpers*

[LordAnubis]

*hugs elvi*

It's real easy.  You do everything like you normally do, post all descriptive like but when you decide to claw out the eyes of the bastard that said you looked fat in a dress you roll a dice to see if you hit him instead of him getting to decide.

And DnD is real easy to learn, I promise.

[Elvi]

*Rolls up sleeves......*
OK WHICH bastard said I looked fat in this dress?

[kylie]

Curious...

*random sarcasm alert* 

So a few hyperpowerful ten page long characters play sudden death with really big beasties from the far bottom of the Abyss, or die of lethal blunders like not having the patience to fire up their thirty year old refurbished Gems of True Seeing...
Or do these characters get armies and ethereal ambassadors to play mega battle chess with everyone else's?

...  Seriously though, is it correct to imagine quite technical discussions of each round of combat, or is there a way of expediting that online? 

[Elvi]

*blinks*
It didn't seem that random Kylie, seemed quite specific to me.

[indarkestknight]

Curious...

*random sarcasm alert* 

So a few hyperpowerful ten page long characters play sudden death with really big beasties from the far bottom of the Abyss, or die of lethal blunders like not having the patience to fire up their thirty year old refurbished Gems of True Seeing...
Or do these characters get armies and ethereal ambassadors to play mega battle chess with everyone else's?

...  Seriously though, is it correct to imagine quite technical discussions of each round of combat, or is there a way of expediting that online? 

Letting the DM roll opposed checks, such as saves and Spot checks, etc, as well as letting him do Initiative.

And you'd be surprised. If the players aren't uber-munchkins (I've known a few in my time *coughBelial666cough*), then there may actually be some decent interplay. And I prefer not to do sudden death. Much more fun to mess with the players. Funny thing is, Kylie, no matter what level you are, tough choices are tough choices, and if you force a group into a spot like that, all the spells in the world can't help.

And Elvi, are you upset with me, dearest? Forgive me, but I wandered onto this site with the intent of playing D&D with fewer constraints than most forums will give. I just got sucked up by the rest, too.  ;D

Anyway, I'd prefer official Wizards products, if possible (and anything that's official but I don't have, I'll require the details about.). Note, my cosmology style is slightly different, so, no, you can't own Graz'zt at 25th level.

As for mystic theurges, I don't hate them. If I allow arcane trickster, or eldritch knight, I'm going to allow MT. Nevertheless, I will not allow for abuses like the Ur-Theurge or the Sublime-Theurge or the Sublime Ur-Theurge. Well, actually, no, I will. I'll just slap you down with my worst every other fight if you do.  :P

Anyway, anyone have a definitive level preference, at the moment?

[Tahiri Anashia]

15!15!15!  Can i play an immortal hero :D

[indarkestknight]

Define immortal.

And 15 is not epic...

[LordAnubis]

Well, since to be epic requires level 21 I'm good with any level. 

One other question,  I know in 3.5 they "integrated" the epic levels in the dmg, but do you still want to use the actual epic book?  Since the dmg barely covers any feats.  I'm just curious because if that is all the epic level stuff 3.5 is going to come out with I'm going to be very disappointed in them.

[indarkestknight]

The SRD has final say when it comes to what epic material there is, at least in core terms:

http://www.d20srd.org/

[LordAnubis]

OKay, cool.

I just hated that they had like 10 epic feats in the Dmg 3.5, it felt very unepic.  I'm good.

[indarkestknight]

I thought you said you'd go for neutral or evil?

:P ;D

[LordAnubis]

ha ha ha.

So, what level are we going to make? 21, 30, 40?

[indarkestknight]

I'm pondering, I'm pondering.

I'm leaning towards the 35th-40th range.

[LordAnubis]

cool, I get to make armor. lol.

[Tahiri Anashia]

i'm gonna make me an uber archer :D

[LordAnubis]

I can tell you all with absolute certainty that I can cover Arcane and cleric divine spells.  I'm going to be an uber caster. and at level 30, an uber caster with armor. *dances as he finally gets to do this*

[Jefepato]

In the 35-40 range, I may just see about playing some kind of fiend (or celestial if we decide that evil isn't so great after all).  I just wish the fiend of possession and fiend of corruption prestige classes had epic progressions...

GB, what's your feeling on custom magic items?  In my experience, games at these levels tend to result in everyone's items having a long list of effects tagged on using the 1.5x multiplier.

Which is all well and good, but gets somewhat ridiculous.

Also, are you keeping your old rules about level adjustments in effect?

[LordAnubis]

Oh, also as important since I don't know your level adjustment rules.

Are you going to allow the "buy off" level adjustment feature of the Unearthed arcana?

[Aphrodite]

Oh God...O.O

You guys just lost me...I was keeping up just fine until I started reading the the 2-4th pages...

*pouts*

So maybe I didn't understand this as well as I'd thought...levels??? O.O

[Jefepato]

So maybe I didn't understand this as well as I'd thought...levels??? O.O

"Epic" means a D&D game where the characters are level 21 or higher.

If you're not familiar with D&D, this is probably not the place to start.

[Aphrodite]

*nods* I was thinking the same thing. Looks like I misconstrued the concept. heh.

[kylie]

I'm sorta thinking, I'm familiar with D&D up to about level 9 in 2nd Ed.  But this is leaving me clueless.

[LordAnubis]

Well most of what Jep and I are talking about are other things you can do with DnD most games don't get far enough to do any of the fun twist stuff.

If your familiar with DnD doing epic won't be a problem it's just a rule change for your levels above 20.  Very simple stuff.

If you're not familire with DnD well, I could help you through the dice and system part of it, but some of it you'd have to ask alot of questions.

2nd ed it's just some rule changes, it wouldn't take too much to convert over, just learning what is what compared to 2nd ed.

[Aphrodite]

Actually, I think I'll keep myself out of this one for now. ^_^ I'm more comfortable learning the basics first, and I found a couple of friends to help me get the gist, so it's all good. :)

Have fun though. :D

[Hunter]

Because I'm feeling lazy, what are the details?

[LordAnubis]

So far 35-40 level, not Faerun and at the moment leaning towards evil.

Besides that the details are still open.

I can tell you with certainty, I'll be a wizard/cleric/mystic Theruge/archmage/.... not sure after that, but I'll be a spell caster.

[Hunter]

Okay, I'd have to go with an epic rogue.   ;D 

[LordAnubis]

lol, you'd have to use daggers byt if you take five levels of invisible knife you could make a feint as a free action, two weapon fighting, would give you 6 attacks a round and you'd get sneak attack on every one of them if you got your buff high enough.

[LordAnubis]

Incase anyone hasn't figured it out.  I've been stuck being a DM for a LONG time.  Finally getting to be a player I know all kinds of annoying combinations.

[Hunter]

Daggers?  No, no.  Shortswords.   ;D

[LordAnubis]

well the dagger requirement was for the class invisible knife, as long as you're wielding daggers you make fients as free actions.

Armed with daggers you'd have your intelligence bonus, up to 5 added to your Ac, sacrfice 1 d6 of your sneak attack to deal a bleeding wound, the free action of a fient, and the ability to take 10 on the feint in the middle of combat,  So they'd have to make a sensemotive verse 30+char mod if you maxed it out and didn't get any buff enhancing items,  then you'd deal 3d6+rogue sneak attack +1d4.  Massive damage for a rogue.  Sneak attacking with two weapons would put you above fighter damage levels.

course, I'm just giving ideas. lol.

[LordAnubis]

yeah if anyone wants intresting classes let me know what you're looking for, I have piles upong piles of 3.0 and 3.5 books.

[Jefepato]

I'm kind of thinking of making an incubus (or succubus, depends on gender ratio of the group) with levels in fiend of possession, fiend of corruption, and possibly blackguard.  Might not be particularly awesome in combat, but I could still be helpful by possessing someone's weapon if my other abilities don't prove effective.

This depends on how GB chooses to handle level adjustment, and whether this concept fits the game as a whole, of course...

[Hunter]

*has an evil thought then grins*  Half red dragon/troll ranger.

[LordAnubis]

Now that is evil. regeneration with everything but acid.

[Jefepato]

Really, now.  Regeneration gets far cheesier than that.  I've seen it happen, and it's not pretty.

Besides, remember what happened to Prometheus?

[Hunter]

Can't say that I do.

[LordAnubis]

Strapped to a rock with a vulture that'd keep tearing out and eating his liver.  Then he regenerates it and the vulture does it again.  Eternal torture.

[WarDragon]

I tend to play either Arcanists or Tanks, myself.  In this case, I think I'd like a Bard/Sublime Chord for the first case, and... who the heck knows in the latter.

[indarkestknight]

Now that is evil. regeneration with everything but acid.

And fire. You're thinking war troll, I know it. Bastard. Mind you, you use it, I'll let you. But just know I can use it, too. In greater numbers.

My rule is half LA. Which I am keeping.

ECL 40.

Your enemy will be Hell. You will see why soon enough.

[Hunter]

And fire. You're thinking war troll, I know it. Bastard. Mind you, you use it, I'll let you. But just know I can use it, too. In greater numbers.

My rule is half LA. Which I am keeping.

ECL 40.

Your enemy will be Hell. You will see why soon enough.

Half red dragon so immune to fire.   ;D

[Jefepato]

Your enemy will be Hell. You will see why soon enough.

Does that mean I shouldn't play a fiend?  Or is it acceptable to play a fiend who isn't from the Nine Hells (e.g. a demon)?

Also: what's your stance on when monster characters switch over to epic BAB and save progressions?  That's one of the few points that always confused me.

[indarkestknight]

Monster HD under 20 will be treated the same as mortal HD. Thus, an incubus fighter 19 will have a BAB of 23, because he has HD 25. Same goes for saves.

And you may play demons or 'loths. Even rebellious devils, who have turned from law, or devils infiltrating the enemy ranks.

[Jefepato]

All right, cool.  (Outsider HD are very nice to have pre-epic...)

GB, do you have strong feelings about the weirdness of my character concept (either its ability to fit into the game, or its relative balance), or should I go ahead with it?

[LordAnubis]

Half Ecl?  cool.

*rubs hands together* time to make uber caster.
just need to plan out 19 levels. thought at leas 5 must give me divine spell castin levels.  Probably divine disciple to get the bonus domain.  Unless I want to go uber and do Scion class.

One question, the half La, is that rounded down or up?

[Jefepato]

I believe it was rounded down in GB's other game.  But that applies only to the LA, not to racial Hit Dice.

[LordAnubis]

nm, Scions weren't wizards product.

[Jefepato]

If you approve, GB, I'm thinking of something like:

Incubus (or succubus, whichever) outsider 6/(LA +3)/blackguard 12/Nar demonbinder 7/fiend of corruption 6/fiend of possession 6

I would've liked to fit cosmic descryer in there, but that requires spells I wouldn't have access to.

It's a little quirky, but it could be useful in this context...

[LordAnubis]

Tentatively
Wizard 3 /Cleric 4 /Fighter /3 Mystic Theruge 10/ Archmage 5/ Divine Disciple 5 /Eldith knight 10

thought not exactly in that order,

Before anyone makes the mistake I made,remember our base attack bonus freezes at level 20, so if you have classes with high base attack bonuses, make sure to get those first, otherwise they are wasted later on.

[BigBlackGamer]

Not really into über-gaming.  Too much system.  But if the game is ever in the market for NPCs (like when the war troll gets horny)  ;D  I'd be amenable to playing a "civilian."

[WarDragon]

Tentatively
Wizard 3 /Cleric 4 /Fighter /3 Mystic Theruge 10/ Archmage 5/ Divine Disciple 5 /Eldith knight 10

thought not exactly in that order,

In any order, you're spreading yourself awfully thin... trying to do three things usually means that a specialist in any of them could kick your ass.

[Jefepato]

Too much system.

There's no such thing as too much system.

Unless you're rolling round-by-round for sex.  Then maybe you could stand to have a little less system...

[BigBlackGamer]

Hehehe...not really into accounting here, and an Epic game (as I understand your definition of Epic) involves big-time power-gaming and munchkinism.  Now if you're into that sort of thing, it's cool--pretty much everyone who grew up on RPGs did a good old-fashioned dungeon-crawl with a character whose average stat was 16.7 and who inherited his grandfather's +6 flaming acid vorpal blade of death, at some point in their gaming life.   :P

[LordAnubis]

In any order, you're spreading yourself awfully thin... trying to do three things usually means that a specialist in any of them could kick your ass.

Well, the fighter levels may be reduced to one, just to get eldrith knight, the idea is a split between divine and arcane magic, and with my feat progression I'll be able to wear armor and cast two spells a round without sarifcing uper level spells.  But I'll look into it.  If we have some tanks and other things I'll rpobably rework my idea, just need to see what we have before I lock my character in.

[Jefepato]

an Epic game (as I understand your definition of Epic) involves big-time power-gaming and munchkinism.

Just because the levels are unreasonably high doesn't mean it's munchkinism, thank you very much.

Powergaming, yes, but not necessarily munchkinism.

[Hunter]

There's no such thing as too much system.

Unless you're rolling round-by-round for sex.  Then maybe you could stand to have a little less system...

So we're into second edition BBSW, are we?

[Jefepato]

So we're into second edition BBSW, are we?

The only thing I know about BBSW is the name.

Mostly I was referring to the Guide to Unlawful Carnal Knowledge's rules.  (I don't mean this as a criticism of those rules in particular -- the problem is really the concept of turn-based sex mechanics in general.)  They work well enough (as demonstrated in GB's other game), but I don't feel it really adds anything to the scene to roll dice and reference charts while you're trying to write a post.

[BigBlackGamer]

Yeah...if the game does start I'll definitely follow the story...and participate as a juicy, nubile NPC if the players/GM desire.  Then I get all the pleasure of story without feeling like I do when I sit down with a 1040 on the table in front of me.   ;)

[LordAnubis]

Munchkinism would be magical items that work in antimagic fields.

Sure we're really powerful, but there are always ways to rip someone down, as long as their is an exploitable weakness that isn't something only the player can control, it hasn't become munchkining.

[Hunter]

Well when we get into further details, I'll nail down a character for certain.  Just expect one half dragon/troll ranger type.   ;D

[WarDragon]

Hmm... if I go the tank route, Hunter, perhaps you and I could be kin, on the Dragon side?

[LordAnubis]

Question, any of you know a prestigous class that stacks for turning checks?  Or is it just clerics?  I'm trying to find something that'll work without just going to cleric levels.

[WarDragon]

Only one I can think of is Radiant Servent of Pelor, which doesn't fit with the Evil theme.  I know Ur-Priest gets Rebuking, but I don't think it stacks with anything...

[LordAnubis]

And we're for sure doing evil?  Just want to know cause I'm thinking of playing a lich if we are.

Oh, and one other thing, can I be a paragon creature?  I know the  CR would be HD +12. but I'm not sure how to convert that to LA.
Closest I have is a juvinale dragon with a Cr 9 and a LA of 6.
But then there is the vampire Cr +2 and La of 8

Anyone have any ideas?

[indarkestknight]

No Paragon. Here's all you'll need to know about hell, as far as my cosmology goes: http://community.dicefreaks.com/viewtopic.php?t=88

And for undead templates and other items that might be of interest: http://community.dicefreaks.com/viewforum.php?f=15&sid=e96539e6ddb333c4e2d9c263b285cc83

Point buy 36, standard wealth. Custom items hold the possibility of being vetoed if I deem them too obscene.

[Mindhazingsquid]

Can I be a warlock/soulknife?

[LordAnubis]

*snaps fingers*
I would have made a wicked drow wizard.

[Idachan]

Is there room for a girlie in this game mayhaps?

[indarkestknight]

Can I be a warlock/soulknife?

You can.

And there most certainly is, Idachan. You're welcome to step into Hell. I'll be waiting with open arms... and other accountrements, like contracts, pens that draw blood as ink from those who write with them... But never you mind. *evil grin*

So who's thinking of what right now? Just so I have an idea of what I'll need to subdue and crush... I mean, entertain you all.

[Hunter]

So who's thinking of what right now? Just so I have an idea of what I'll need to subdue and crush... I mean, entertain you all.

Half red dragon/troll ranger.  CN or NE, most likely.

[indarkestknight]

Yet, not CE? Interesting...

[LordAnubis]

LE or N, not sure yet which.

Elven Wizard/ lore master/ archmage

Probably going to be the only one without a LA,

Per curiousity,

   1) is having a mount applicatable to your campaign?  or will it be Dungeon crawling?
   2) if mounts are applicatable what would you hold as reasonable?
    3) Do you follow the general rule that if it is a racial weapon they proficient with it?  Case in point Elven thinblade.
    4) Any languages in your world in addition to what's in the PG?

[indarkestknight]

LE or N, not sure yet which.

Elven Wizard/ lore master/ archmage

Probably going to be the only one without a LA,

Per curiousity,

    1) is having a mount applicatable to your campaign?  or will it be Dungeon crawling?
    2) if mounts are applicatable what would you hold as reasonable?

Not dungeons crawling persay, so you could have a mount, and, if necessary, polymorph it to hide its bulk. However, when trying to get infiltrate, it might cause problems by drawing attention. A cauchemar, were you thinking?

[LordAnubis]

lol, one of the thoughts yeah.  You know you're starting to worry me, reading my mind isn't polite. lol.

And the two added questions/  *points up* they were modified post script

[LordAnubis]

Okay one more, the epic book does have a pricing mistake right?  cause it has +6 shield as 360,000 instead of 36,000.  Did this carry over all things?

[indarkestknight]

Okay one more, the epic book does have a pricing mistake right?  cause it has +6 shield as 360,000 instead of 36,000.  Did this carry over all things?

Epic bonuses, yes.

For instance, a ring of protection +6 is 720,000 gp, unless I'm mistaken.

But, if I were you, I wouldn't complain. You do have over 13 mil in gp to work with.

[indarkestknight]

    3) Do you follow the general rule that if it is a racial weapon they proficient with it?  Case in point Elven thinblade.
    4) Any languages in your world in addition to what's in the PG?

I assume you have the Complete Warrior? Refer to Racial Proficiency, the feat, for you answer.

Dark Speech, Words of Creation.... Just off the top of my head. No others that most characters would take, no.

[Jefepato]

Okay one more, the epic book does have a pricing mistake right?  cause it has +6 shield as 360,000 instead of 36,000.

Epic items are x10 cost.  The book is pretty clear on that.

[LordAnubis]

missed that part.  Sorry

[WarDragon]

I'm still not sure what I want to play...

[Jefepato]

I'm still not sure what I want to play...

Diabolist who feels that he was gypped by Asmodeus's recent teamwork incentive program?

[indarkestknight]

Epic items are x10 cost.  The book is pretty clear on that.

Not all. All that grant a non-armor bonus to AC or saves over +5. All that grant stat bonuses greater than +6. All weapons greater than +5 in enhancement bonus or +10 in total enhancement bonus. All armor greater than +5 enhancement bonus or +10 in total enhancement bonus. All that grant an armor bonus higher than +10. All that have a caster level greater than 20th.

[Jefepato]

All that grant a non-armor bonus to AC or saves over +5. All that grant stat bonuses greater than +6. All weapons greater than +5 in enhancement bonus or +10 in total enhancement bonus. All armor greater than +5 enhancement bonus or +10 in total enhancement bonus. All that grant an armor bonus higher than +10. All that have a caster level greater than 20th.

In other words, all epic items.  One or more of those traits is what defines an item as "epic," yes?

(I think you forgot "duplicates a spell with an effective level greater than 9th," though.)

[indarkestknight]

Yes, I did. But there are items, such as one that duplicates true seeing constantly at caster level 20th, that are epic, yet don't get the x10 price factor. Another example is the Stormbrand. Grants bonuses that total more than 200,000 gp, yet nothing in particular is strong enough to warrant the x10.

[LordAnubis]

Do we have a cleric?

If we don't will I get shot down to create arcane healing spells at an increase of one spell level?  Cause I have no intrest in being squashed without a healer.

[Jefepato]

Yes, I did. But there are items, such as one that duplicates true seeing constantly at caster level 20th, that are epic,

What's epic about that?  It's just true seeing.

[indarkestknight]

What's epic about that?  It's just true seeing.

The cost.

[Jefepato]

Huh.  That's actually on the list.

Although, I might as well note that no one actually pays for true seeing to be CL 20, since its effects have nothing to do with level...

[LordAnubis]

except when it comes to resisting dispel magic.

[Jefepato]

Fair enough, but nobody ever buys up the caster level.  The higher in level you are, the more precious you start thinking each gold piece is...

[LordAnubis]

very true, now question for my lenses,  the x2 for continous effects that have 1min/level durations.  I'd have to x2 it for every effect correct?  Incase no one has figured out, I'm pricing my items at the moment.  Figure while I have people on who can answer my questions, it's the time to do it.

[Jefepato]

x2 it for every effect that's 1 min/level, yes.

[LordAnubis]

thought so.  though, had to ask, would have hated to be wrong and cost myself money.

[LordAnubis]

Alright, next question tremorsense.

I've been trying to find a game where I could test this ability out,  even remotely feaseable?
if so, what would the pricing be?
Or would the process be (create the spell, create the item)

[Xerial]

Am I too late to try and jump on the bandwagon with this? If not, is there a chainsaw in the group yet?

[Idachan]

You can.

And there most certainly is, Idachan. You're welcome to step into Hell. I'll be waiting with open arms... and other accountrements, like contracts, pens that draw blood as ink from those who write with them... But never you mind. *evil grin*

So who's thinking of what right now? Just so I have an idea of what I'll need to subdue and crush... I mean, entertain you all.

Well... First thing that popped into mind was a half-celestial succubi, her father was a bit... insistant with an astral deva. Second thing popping to mind is a ghost elf, I´m a sucker for pretty pictures.

[indarkestknight]

Huh.  That's actually on the list.

Although, I might as well note that no one actually pays for true seeing to be CL 20, since its effects have nothing to do with level...

Which is why A staff of greater dispelling at caster level 20th, while so cheap, is so useful.  :P

[WarDragon]

And foolish.  Staves use the wielder's Caster level.   ;)

[Jefepato]

A Use Magic Device-er still could make use of it.

[Idachan]

o.O Does the lack of being shot down mean that the half-celestial succubi could work?

[LordAnubis]

Half celestial can only be added to an intelligent coporal, living, non evil creature.  From the monster manual.

And it more likely means the rest of us are number crunching our magical items costs or planning out the character levels and your question got missed.

[Idachan]

>.<  Dang. I admitt that I had not looked at the rules, only started thinking about it.

[Muse]

Ooh!  Am I too late to sign on here? 

Hm...  I could take Asheel out of Faerun and Ravenloft, if you'd allow a Tantrist from the Book of Erotic Fantasy, multiclassing with Rage Mage, or even if he didn't. 

[Muse]

Actualy, would one of you fiendish gents like to subject my spectacled swashbuckler Roweena Cormaeril to a Helm of Oposite Alingment and a slave collar? 

[CirclMastr]

::waves to Muse and Jefepato::  If it's not too late or too full, could I jump on the proverbial bandwagon?

[Jefepato]

As much as I don't want to shoot down one of Muse's ideas, GB, I have to say: for crap's sake don't bring that BoEF into this.

[LordAnubis]

The bandwagon has yet to get moving, so grab ahold and pull up.

And as for the swashbuckler... well if any of my items get refused I could pick up the master and slave rings from BoVD and shell out extra for some enhancements to have it to evil alignment.

[Jefepato]

Actualy, would one of you fiendish gents like to subject my spectacled swashbuckler Roweena Cormaeril to a Helm of Oposite Alingment and a slave collar? 

You know, it's a crying shame that the fiend of corruption has been written out of my build.

[BigBlackGamer]

Me, I'd just take a plasma rifle.  "Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no substitute for a good blaster at your side.”   :P

[Jefepato]

Except he was completely wrong about that.  The hokey religion and ancient weapon had far more power than any blaster (unless you count the Death Star's super-laser as a blaster, of course).

[BigBlackGamer]

Except he was completely wrong about that.  The hokey religion and ancient weapon had far more power than any blaster (unless you count the Death Star's super-laser as a blaster, of course).

I do.

I'd probably play a Han Solo-like character.  Always liked that guy.

[indarkestknight]

If we don't will I get shot down to create arcane healing spells at an increase of one spell level?  Cause I have no intrest in being squashed without a healer.

You will get shot down.

[indarkestknight]

Alright, next question tremorsense.

I've been trying to find a game where I could test this ability out,  even remotely feaseable?
if so, what would the pricing be?
Or would the process be (create the spell, create the item)

Blindsight is cheaper, I think. Based off a 2nd level spell.

[Hunter]

You will get shot down.

And people wonder why I picked a race with regenerative powers.  :o

[indarkestknight]

Well... First thing that popped into mind was a half-celestial succubi, her father was a bit... insistant with an astral deva. Second thing popping to mind is a ghost elf, I´m a sucker for pretty pictures.

Ghost elf? 'fraid I'm not familiar with that one...

Half-celestial succubi I'd allow, though you'd need to explain how the hell that happened. Even charm would be hard pressed to explain that one...

[indarkestknight]

And people wonder why I picked a race with regenerative powers.  :o

Greymantle. Insta-death. Avasculate. Forcecage. Enchantments of all kinds.

There's an answer to every threat.

[indarkestknight]

Half celestial can only be added to an intelligent coporal, living, non evil creature.  From the monster manual.

And it more likely means the rest of us are number crunching our magical items costs or planning out the character levels and your question got missed.

My mistake. Missed that clause. However, Ida.... if you look in the Gates of Hell link (think I'll add that to the front post), you'll find the Nephilim template for half-fallen angels.

[indarkestknight]

Ooh!  Am I too late to sign on here? 

Hm...  I could take Asheel out of Faerun and Ravenloft, if you'd allow a Tantrist from the Book of Erotic Fantasy, multiclassing with Rage Mage, or even if he didn't. 

Asheel? I'm leery about allowing Tantrist.... allow me to review it.

[indarkestknight]

::waves to Muse and Jefepato::  If it's not too late or too full, could I jump on the proverbial bandwagon?

You could. I'm thinking of making a "must post at least once every three days, barring extraordinary circumstances" rule to keep this from getting as bogged down as some dice-based forum games can get.

[indarkestknight]

As much as I don't want to shoot down one of Muse's ideas, GB, I have to say: for crap's sake don't bring that BoEF into this.

Preference noted and taken into account.

Note: We will not use Perform (sexual technique) or Sexual Prowess. Sex scenes will not be stat-based.

[indarkestknight]

Me, I'd just take a plasma rifle.  "Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no substitute for a good blaster at your side.”   :P

Yeah, cept they do jack against demons, vampires, devils, war trolls, and dragons.

[Idachan]

Ghost elf? 'fraid I'm not familiar with that one...

Half-celestial succubi I'd allow, though you'd need to explain how the hell that happened. Even charm would be hard pressed to explain that one...

Ghost elf is featured in Dragon Magazine nr 313 so I don´t know if they are considered official. Pretty pictures at least ^.^

And heh, I wasn´t quite thinking the charm side of it... *coughs* I mean, even angels have to get caught and conquered some times.

But I shall have a look at Nephilim

[BigBlackGamer]

Yeah, cept they do jack against demons, vampires, devils, war trolls, and dragons.

Maybe...but I'm talking an antiproton plasma rifle.  Now that'll drop just about anything.  A few micrograms of antimatter will fubar your whole day...   ;D

[Muse]

Heh, dear lord, three guys willing to take Ro as a slave?  Fun! 

[WarDragon]

I think I've decided to go with a build of Drow Bard/Sublime Chord/Mindbender.

[Idachan]

I think I've decided to go with a build of Drow Bard/Sublime Chord/Mindbender.

o.O Eeep, I was just starting to consider drow cleric/necromancer.

[WarDragon]

No reason there can't be two drow. ;)

[Jefepato]

Indeed -- this is actually an evil game, so no one will kill you for being a drow.

[indarkestknight]

Ghost elf is featured in Dragon Magazine nr 313 so I don´t know if they are considered official. Pretty pictures at least ^.^

And heh, I wasn´t quite thinking the charm side of it... *coughs* I mean, even angels have to get caught and conquered some times.

But I shall have a look at Nephilim

PM the ghost elf to me, if you decide to play one. I'll approve or disapprove.

[Mindhazingsquid]

I've got a mostly made human warlock/soulknife/assassin.  I was considering Tiefling but they ruined them on the transition to 3rd edition.  No more random appearance and abilities. *pout* :'(

[Idachan]

No reason there can't be two drow. ;)

Just seems so silly to take something so familiar when you have the abyss to choose from, when there is allready one I mean. Actually playing an evil drow is quite original.

[WarDragon]

...did Glab ever decide on an exact ECL for this game?

[LordAnubis]

he said 40.  so be scarry that he is putting us that high.

Oh this is going to be so much fun, two drow and my elf.  Got to love the team spirit.

[Idachan]

Oh this is going to be so much fun, two drow and my elf.  Got to love the team spirit.

uh oh, I never said for sure...

[LordAnubis]

lol, oh I think it'd be funny.Besides I'm neutral or evil.

[LordAnubis]

I'm not sure if the pause in the authorization of my magical items is a good thing or a bad thing.

Well, still got my spells to create and pick.

[LordAnubis]

So, currently, we're sitting on:

(Mindhazingsquid) human warlock/soulknife/assassin,   

(War dragon) Drow Bard/Sublime Chord/Mindbender, 

(idachan) drow cleric/necromancer,

(LordAnubis) Elf Wzard, Archmage, loremaster

(Hunter) Troll Ranger

Those I know for certain,  I miss anyone's characters?

[Jefepato]

Me.  Succubus/incubus (depends on group's gender ratio) blackguard/bard.

[LordAnubis]

Alright, we seem pretty magic intensive thus far. Hunter may need some backup in muscle at this rate.  hate to walk into an antimgaic field.

[WarDragon]

Heh.  I can "pick up" some extra muscle along the way, never you fear.  *evil grin*  Especially if Glab lets me start with something already Thralled.

[LordAnubis]

Well, I have a friend wanting to play a Troll/halfdragon So we have some more muscle coming.  and a troll to sit with hunter.

[LordAnubis]

Oh, and for my friend, no Paragon creature, but what about the half dragon paragon class?  All that would benefit him is 3/day breathe weapon and +1 natural armor.  But I wanted to get it okayed while he finishes the character, so we can make any needed changes

[indarkestknight]

Heh.  I can "pick up" some extra muscle along the way, never you fear.  *evil grin*  Especially if Glab lets me start with something already Thralled.

You may have your little thrall. *laughs evilly* Which will make matters worse when you walk into that antimagic field.

[indarkestknight]

Oh, and for my friend, no Paragon creature, but what about the half dragon paragon class?  All that would benefit him is 3/day breathe weapon and +1 natural armor.  But I wanted to get it okayed while he finishes the character, so we can make any needed changes

Allowed.

[Idachan]

So, currently, we're sitting on:

(Mindhazingsquid) human warlock/soulknife/assassin,   

(War dragon) Drow Bard/Sublime Chord/Mindbender, 

(idachan) drow cleric/necromancer,

(LordAnubis) Elf Wzard, Archmage, loremaster

(Hunter) Troll Ranger

Those I know for certain,  I miss anyone's characters?

>.< I am just going to mull over my books and decide something.

[WarDragon]

Dropping the Mindbender.  Too much crap to worry about, and Thralls wouldn't be worth anything at this level, anyway.

[LordAnubis]

lol, don't suppose anyone has about 3M gp they want to loan my character.  When I first calculated my robe I forgot the 1.5

[LordAnubis]

Well, *crosses fingers* items hopefully done.
Just have to finish skills.

How is everyone else doing on the chars?

[Muse]

So, currently, we're sitting on:

(Mindhazingsquid) human warlock/soulknife/assassin,   

(War dragon) Drow Bard/Sublime Chord/Mindbender, 

(idachan) drow cleric/necromancer,

(LordAnubis) Elf Wzard, Archmage, loremaster

(Hunter) Troll Ranger

Those I know for certain,  I miss anyone's characters?

Roweena Cormaeril, Human Duelist/Ellocator. 

[Muse]

Ahm...  Unless we still need a cleric...  With Ida mulling stufff over, let's see. 

[Muse]

Did anyone ever say the point spread? 

[Elvi]

You lot are just wierd, alians from out of space talking some strange unitelligable language.......

*shrugs*

Just thought you'd like to know that.......

[CirclMastr]

I'm still here!

I'm sitting on a couple concepts until I can discuss things with the DM.

[Muse]

We know that, but we love you anway, Elvi-megami-sama! 

[WarDragon]

Did anyone ever say the point spread?

36-point buy, as described in the DMG.  Invisible Castle has a guide for it, as well.

You lot are just wierd, alians from out of space talking some strange unitelligable language.......

*shrugs*

Just thought you'd like to know that.......

Stat-wuss. :P

[ThomasRD22]

I have been working with Lord Anubis to create my char, half blue dragon/half troll fighter.  If you have questions, feel free to leave a message.

[Elvi]

We know that, but we love you anway, Elvi-megami-sama! 

But which one?
There's so many of the little buggers all over the place!

[indarkestknight]

Did anyone ever say the point spread? 

36 point buy.

[indarkestknight]

I have been working with Lord Anubis to create my char, half blue dragon/half troll fighter.  If you have questions, feel free to leave a message.

I'd like to see the logic behind this one...

[Jefepato]

I'd like to see the logic behind this one...

Well, son, when a dragon and a troll love each other very much...

[Hunter]

Well, son, when a dragon and a troll love each other very much...

When a dragon is horny and a troll is all that is available...

[indarkestknight]

When a dragon is horny and a troll is all that is available...

Blue dragons are lawful dragons. According to the Draconomicon (arguably the most comprehensive book on dragons (and not draconic characters!) out there), it would be very, very atypical for even a horny blue to do a troll.

[WarDragon]

When a dragon is horny and a troll is all that is available...

Or the other way around, I suppose, if it was a very young dragon and an above-average troll...

[indarkestknight]

It would have taken at least a young adult, WD. Recall- those can fly. Faster than a troll, unless I'm mistaken. Circumstances are very against rape in either situation. It'd be most likely with white dragons- only problem is, trolls and whites live in completely different enviros.

[Elvi]

They got lost?

[indarkestknight]

Thus far, one person is more or less finished.

[Hunter]

I should be done tomorrow.

[LordAnubis]

Could be an attempt to breed in Regeration, since Dragons don't have it.  Blue dragon breeds with a troll in an effort of breeding in the ablity.  he could have fifteen some brother's and sisters.  Because Trolls are usually CE, they could still concievably be LE.

[indarkestknight]

See! That's what I'm talking about!

[LordAnubis]

Am I the almost finished one?

[indarkestknight]

Am I the almost finished one?

Nope....

[LordAnubis]

Ah, oh yeah you don't have my character yet either.  Well, hopefully Thomas and I will be done pdq.

[Jefepato]

Hey, can I get feedback on the group's current intended gender ratio?

[indarkestknight]

3 guys (the two trolls and WD's sublime chord) to 2 girls (Muse and Ida), unless I'm mistaken.

[LordAnubis]

and my male drow, I'm deciding to go drow cause it'll save me large amounts of cash.

[Mindhazingsquid]

I was planning on playing a gal too.

[LordAnubis]

*Cackles evilly for no apparent or explained reason.... then disappears snickering to plot*

[WarDragon]

Oh good, another toy.

Did I mention my PC has... issues, shall we say?

[LordAnubis]

I'm a male drow who is epic in a matriarchal society.  Like I'm not going to have some issues. lol.  But, I'll have my BOOM stick. lol.

[WarDragon]

You mean, yours actually let the matriarchy survive?  Wimp. :P

[LordAnubis]

No. but just because he went back to his home town/cave/whatever and dropped it down around their head doesn't change the emotional trauma he endured.  if anything now he is hell bound to never let ANYONE do that again.  And of course, the 'anyone' is punctuated with the expendature of an epic spell and some screaming.

[WarDragon]

Heh.  My Drow was more subtle about it, befitting his choice of classes.  He got the Drows' enemies to assassinate the priestesses for him, then rallied the milling rabble that were left around his own banner.

[LordAnubis]

I'm so glad I took archmage.  I don't have to be careful with area spells.

[indarkestknight]

https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?board=180.0

[Hunter]

Done.  *giggles*   8)

[LordAnubis]

Spell lists in process.

[WarDragon]

Also done.  But no giggles.

[Xerial]

Ok, I'm back on land, and it appears my last post didn't go up... so is there still room for a human chainsaw?

By that I mean a Legendary Dreadnaught who weilds a pair of greataxes...

[indarkestknight]

Ok, I'm back on land, and it appears my last post didn't go up... so is there still room for a human chainsaw?

By that I mean a Legendary Dreadnaught who weilds a pair of greataxes...

Still room.

[Xerial]

Sorry to ask, because it's asanine and all... but level and restrictions on gear purchase?

[WarDragon]

https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=4204.0

[indarkestknight]

Sorry to ask, because it's asanine and all... but level and restrictions on gear purchase?

Look for the link on the page previous to this one. Equipment may be custom, but it will be subject to my analysis and veto.

[Xerial]

Was thinking more in terms of what magic we're allowed to buy, nothing custom, nope, just a pair of big, nast axes... *nod*

[indarkestknight]

Was thinking more in terms of what magic we're allowed to buy, nothing custom, nope, just a pair of big, nast axes... *nod*

Care to extrapolate what you mean?

[Xerial]

As far as Magic items and such... I'm asuming no artifacts, but anything else not allowed?

As for the axes, they're greataxes... as much of a bitch on the feats that is... can't recall how I built them last time tho...

[indarkestknight]

I think I remember. It's rather late, so let me get back to you, in, oh, 17 hours. *mutters something along the lines of 'damn school'*

BTW, we seem to still lack a healer...

[CirclMastr]

Artificers can heal!

[LordAnubis]

we lost the Cleric?  Yeesh..

[Muse]

I'll see what I can do. 

[WarDragon]

I can heal!  A little bit...

[Idachan]

I can use magic device... *hopes to make up the lack of clericyness from her side*

[Xerial]

Luthor can.... er... anti-heal...  :P

He won't likely need too much healing... well, at least not as much... gonna be a tank, he is, even in light armor...

[WarDragon]

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#fastHealing

The ultimate feat for Epic Tanks.  Learn it, live it, love it.  Take it multiple times!

[Xerial]

Also fun. Damage Reduction (which he's already got from Legendary Dreadnaught), Improved Toughness, and a host of others...

[Hunter]

*eep*

[Xerial]

Eep?

[Hunter]

As in having second thoughts eep.

[Xerial]

Hopefully I'm not the cause of them...

[Hunter]

It's hard for someone with just the srd to compete.

[LordAnubis]

Do you have a highspeed connection hunter?

[Hunter]

I do have a high speed connection.  Most of the time it is, anyways.

[strenoth]

Alright, I'm interested in thisgame. I think i'll stick with this and tha god game while I warm up my skills again.

hmm hmm, level 40, 1/2 ECl.. *ponders*

Oh.. if I'm an Illithid, can I be one that isn't actually as androgynous as cannon? >.> only effects flavor and fun scenes. as for power.. I have Savage SPecies and BoVD for this character concept.


Concept number 2: I'm thinking a soulknife with some stuff from the Magic of Incarnum.

[strenoth]

and is "To Hell with you, perhaps?" the game?

[Elvi]

Yes it is Stenoth.

[strenoth]

Cool. So now to just await answer to that one question.. can I play an Illithid that's actually a 'he' instead of an 'it'? :)

[Elvi]

That one, I am afraid, I cannot answer and you will have to wait for the GM/Mod to reply.

[strenoth]

Oh this could be interesting. Illithids aren't Its, they are Hirs, or s/hes i guess. I've never player a hermaphrodite, nor thought I'd seriously consider playing one. But looks like i'll be expanding my horizons... em, I'll probably play my character as 'he' for gender terms and personality, just easier to refference. The lack of breasts makes it a more masculine Herm anyway