AD&D 2nd Ed anyone?

[Blinkin]

Greetings [you] and thank you for checking this topic.

This is only an attempt to see if there is interest out there in a concept that has been floating around in my mind for some time. The idea is not unique by any means, but I hope that I can make it different enough to be entertaining.

The premise:

A group of college aged role-players gather for their weekly session of dice rolling, pizza and adventure in the fantasy world provided by their DM. At the last minute, the DM decides to cut away from the established quest and begin a new one with a promise of an adventure like none before.

Shortly after the session begins and the players are getting into characters in the darkened room, the world suddenly begins to blur about them and an intense sensation of vertigo comes over the players. When the dizziness and stomach churning passes, the players find themselves in the world of their game, in the bodies of their characters and must find a way to get home, or simply survive while the personalities of their characters struggle to overwhelm that of the player. .

What I’m looking for:

Ideally, I’m looking for 4-6 players who can play a “real” mundane person who is suddenly thrust into not only a world that is not their own, but a body that isn’t their own… a body that may not even be the same sex or race as their own. He/she should be able to write the conflict between the “real” personality and his/her character and the emotional conflicts that it’ll create. I’m also looking for players who will not simply disappear or stop posting without notice for periods of time. I’m not asking for daily post, but a minimum of twice a week will be requested.

As a note, the “real” as well as the “characters” will have to work together and deal with interpersonal conflicts in order to get out of the mess that they find themselves in.

The system:

If there is enough real interest, I will run this in the system that I know the best; AD&D
2nd Ed and the various “Complete book of…” material. This will not be particularly combat heavy and focus more on the journey and how they deal with the world.

Character generation and mechanics will be discussed if there is enough interest to take the idea to the next step, but I will restrict the options to those normally accepted by the system. I will also, in an attempt to keep a balance in the group, limited the number of maical classes in the party based upon how many players I get. Anyone who has played AD&D knows that the magical classes aren’tas easy to play as in newer editions.

A point of note, ALL “players” will be human. Consider the effect that you might experience if you suddenly found yourself not only in the body of someone else, but not even the same race… or sex! Some humorous moments are bound to happen, but it’s not all fun and games.

Thank you for your patience and interest in this topic. Merry Christmas!

[Muse]

  Whoo-hoo!  You finally decided to do something like this!  I'm so there. 

[Karasu]

2d Ed confuses me somewhat.. But I'm willing to play <3

[Blinkin]

I was waiting for you to appear Mr. Muse. *chuckles*

As the post said, if there's enough interest. So far, it's been out for for about a day, and not much interest in even peaking in at it.

It may be partly me though. I haven't run a D&D game in years and I don't want to give away too much too soon. I think that I got the gist out though. College students (One character) get dragged into a fantasy world and the bodies of the characters that they were playing (second character) and mischief abounds.

Of course, considering how common magic users are in the fantasy setting here, my statement that there'll be a limit on that may turn many away. Perhaps I should really slam the door closed and say no psionics either? ;)

[Blinkin]

2d Ed confuses me somewhat.. But I'm willing to play <3

The system is really only being used in a limited fashion. Most of the game will be fairly freeform and not combat oriented. There will be opportunities for fighting, thieving and magery, of course, but my overall idea deals more with the characters than what they may encounter.

[Teo Torriatte]

Count me in, please!

[Karasu]

I was waiting for you to appear Mr. Muse. *chuckles*

As the post said, if there's enough interest. So far, it's been out for for about a day, and not much interest in even peaking in at it.

It may be partly me though. I haven't run a D&D game in years and I don't want to give away too much too soon. I think that I got the gist out though. College students (One character) get dragged into a fantasy world and the bodies of the characters that they were playing (second character) and mischief abounds.

Of course, considering how common magic users are in the fantasy setting here, my statement that there'll be a limit on that may turn many away. Perhaps I should really slam the door closed and say no psionics either? ;)

I know just how ya feel.. I'm trying to learn to DM 3.5ed just because I have a campaign I wanted to do

[Muse]

Oh, limited magic.  IS a bladesinger okay? 



   Gabriel Brewer was an athletic skinny blond kid growing up.  He sucked at sports, but enjoyed tournament style taekwondo.  He was also an avid reader—way above his grade level.  School came too easily too him, he would have done better if he’d been more challenged. 
   
   At puberty—though he was regularly participating in marital arts and eating minimal junk food—Gabriel began to gain weight.  One could nit pick about overly large portions or kinds of exercise he did, but in the end he was just biologically predisposed to be fat, and had higher priorities than fighting it. 
   
   Coming from a family that was financially comfortable and valued education, Gabriel was able to enjoy his time in college.  He entered as an education major, switched to undecided after two years, and—three years of classes later—settled on Creative Writing with a double minor in theater and humanities.  Except for a weakness in upper level math, the higher level class he took the better he did. 

   Gabriel was one of the older gamers in the D&D group.  His last character had been a priest.  This time, he decided to try something he hadn't done in some years.  With loving writer’s craft, he made an elf maid strong and beautiful, intelligent and heroic, and set himself the challenge of playing her believably without loosing the eye candy value. 

[Teo Torriatte]

Would it be possible to play a dark elf?

[Karasu]

She was of a simple sort,  she was born of a middleclass family and actually worked a job full time in a daycare as well as study for her own education major, her education would in fact take a lot longer than normal considering that it was part-time but she enjoied the work.

Meeting Gabriel in education classes they developed a nice friendship. IT was through GAbriel that she had gotten started in D&D in truth. rather enjoying playing a fantasy game. Her name was Marie, and in this game she was playing a half-elf male, of the spellcasting type, not very strong but shy and cute.

[Blinkin]

Howdy and Merry Christmas!

Ok, I'll try to answer the questions in some order. Remember that this is still a "if" situation, although there appears to be enough initial interest to make me start to think about things.

I chose 2nd Ed because, while I enjoy Pathfinder, I don't know the system well enough to do more than play it, and I tend to make mistakes from time to time in that. I played 2nd Ed for years and while it's been years since then, I think that I can run the game as it's mainly freeform with the system as a support structure for the things the characters will do.

A Blade Singer is acceptible, but I'll have to take a closer look at it and see how the magic side of it works. As I said, I want to avoid a party that is too magic heavy because you'll need others to survive.

A Drow is acceptible if you can accept the following conditions:
1. the racial disadvantages will be enforced. All penalties as well as bonuses will be used.
2. You can come up with a background that explains why a dark elf is both on the surface and traveling with other elves... and not trying to kill each other.
3. The character may NOT worship the spider queen... there is the Trickster though, if you want to consider that.
4. I will use all of the reported prejustices, biases, rumors and distrust of dark elves, so her/his life may be... interesting...

The two examples of character cconcepts that I've seen are great. :) I'll need a little detail on the personality of both the "real" character and the "fantasy" character. They should be different enough that you're not just playing "yourself" in another body. Those who have gender switches will have some fun times ahead. ;)

I'm really easy to get along with, if you contact me with an idea, I'll hear it out and am open to discussion.

Attributes: 4D6, reroll 1's and drop the lowest. That should give you some decent stats.

Level: 6; if you're multi or duel classing, the maximum number of levels is still 6. IE: a 3/3 fighter mage, a 4/2 thief/ranger or a 5/1 fighter/mage.... whatever combination you want to use. The usual rules apply.

Equipment: All you'll need will be the basics for the class. Weapon/armour and tools of the trade. Everything else will be provided and I'll make a random roll to see if anything is magical.

Any questions?

[Muse]

Are we translating into a specific setting?  Like Forgotten Realms or Birthright?  Or should we build histories that contribute to the setting? 

[Blinkin]

The world will be one of my own. It's been far, far too long for me to remember very much about the established worlds. So, backgrounds should be more general in locations.

[Muse]

Blinkin', I gather your world will have it's own patheon. 

Will you allow any material from the Faiths of Faerun trilogy?  Like the Mystic, Crader, Shaman, and Monk?  Or even the adaptation of a priest of specific mythos to your setting? 

luna mentioned playing a  drow.  Might Eilistraee exist here? 

[Blinkin]

I'm not going to limit the options of dieties, so if you want to import a diety from elsewhere, feel free.

I've also considered sects, but haven't made a decision on that. I just don't want "evil" characters as that just complicates things and it's hard to be "good" when you're worshiping an evil god/goddess.

Someone has brought up an interesting point, and I need to address it.

Some multi-class characters will have significant different experience totals than some single class, or even dual class characters if I restrict the levels to 6 or a combination that adds up to 6 levels.

Therefore, after looking at the experience totals to reach level 6 for most classes, and to make it a little more fair in the experience totals earned. You can select your class and level based upon 36,000 EXP. With the exception of the mage, this will put everyone who plays a single class at level 6 and within fairly easy striking distance for mages.

For multi-classes, this gives you 18,000 to use in two classes, or 12,000 if you want to try three classes.

For the first level, take max HP for the class(es) and reroll 1's for each level afterward. warriors can only take the larger CON bonus when they advance in their warrior level, otherwise, it's the maximum +2. So, a fighter/mage advances a level in fighter, she gets the 1D10/2+ a CON bonus up to their con. When she goes up in Mage, it's 1D4/2+a max con bonus of +2.

Make any sense?

[Muse]

Makes perfect sense!  :) 

How do we do gear? 

My application so far: 

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   Gabriel Brewer was an athletic skinny blond kid growing up.  He sucked at sports, but enjoyed tournament style taekwondo.  He was also an avid reader—way above his grade level.  School came too easily too him, he would have done better if he’d been more challenged. 
   
   At puberty—though he was regularly participating in marital arts and eating minimal junk food—Gabriel began to gain weight.  One could nit pick about overly large portions or kinds of exercise he did, but in the end he was just biologically predisposed to be fat, and had higher priorities than fighting it. 
   
   Coming from a family that was financially comfortable and valued education, Gabriel was able to enjoy his time in college.  He entered as an education major, switched to undecided after two years, and—three years of classes later—settled on Creative Writing with a double minor in theater and humanities.  Except for a weakness in upper level math, the higher level class he took the better he did. 

   Gabriel was one of the older gamers in the D&D group.  His last character had been a priest.  This time, he decided to try something he hadn't done in some years.  With loving writer’s craft, he made an elf maid strong and beautiful, intelligent and heroic, and set himself the challenge of playing her believably without loosing the eye candy value. 

   *   *   *

Name:      Amarantha Evensong
Race:      Elf
Class:      Ranger 5/Mage 4
EXP      18,000/18,000
Kit:      Bladesinger

Strength   16
--Damage Adjustment +1
--Weight Allowance 55lbs
--Maximum Press 170lbs
--Open doors 8- on d20
--Bend Bars 10%

Dexterity   18
--Reaction Adjustment +2
--Defense Adjustment -4

Constitution   16
-Hit Point Adjustment +2
--System Shock 95%
--Resurrection Survival 96%

Intelligence   17
--Bonus Proficiencies +6
--Maximum Level of Spells: 8th
--Chance to Learn Spell 75%
--Maximum Spells/Level 14

Wisdom   14
--Magic Defense Adjustment +0-
--Bonus Spells 1, 1

Charisma   11
--Maximum Henchmen: 4


Hit Points   33

Armor Class:   1   (Armor Spell: AC 6.  Dexterity -4, +1 Single Sword Style)

Longsword: 
--#Attacks   3/2
--Thac0   13
--Damage   d8/d12 +4

Short Bow, Composite
--# Attacks   2
--Thac0   17
--Damage   d6+1
--Amo      20

Weapon Proficiencies:  (Thac0 16)
Bladesong Style Specialization X2
Longsword, Specialized
Singe Weapon Style Specialization

Non-Weapon Proficiencies: 
Blind Fighting         NA/NA
Dancing         Dexterity/18
Etiquette         Charisma/11
Hunting         Wisdom -1/13
Reading/Writing      Intelligence +1/18
Singing         Charisma/11
Spellcraft         Intelligence -2/15
Tightrope Waling      Dexterity/18
Tracking         Wisdom +1/15

Class Abilities: 
--Animal Empathy
--Nature Lore
--Primary Terrain: Forest
--Species Enemy:  Trolls
--Survival: Forest
--Thief Abilities: 
----Hide in Shadows      56%
----Move Silently      65%

Kit Abilities: 
+1 to hit and damage with the Long Sword. 
Additional +1 to special maneuvers. 
+1 to Armor Class while casting a spell. 

Languages: 
Common
Gnomish
High Elvish
Sylvan Elvish
Troll Speak

Racial Abilities: 
--Automatically searches for secret doors within 10 feet.  (Roll or 1 on a d6.)  If actively searching, will find a secret door on a 1-3 on a d6. 
--90% Resistance to Sleep and Charm
--Elven Martial Arts (Limited by kit.)  +1 to hit with long and short swords. 
--Virtual invisibility in wilderness terrain for non-combat purposes. 
--Elves impose a -4 on enemy surprise checks. 
--Reverie and Communion
--Infravision 60’

Saving Throws: 
Paralyzation, Poison or Death Magic:  11
Rod, Staff, or Wand: 11
Prettification or Polymorph 12
Breath Weapon 13
Spell 12

Spells/Day
L 2
1.  Acid Arrow
2.  Mirror Image

L 1
1.  Armor
2.  Grease
3.  Magic Missile

Spells desired in book: 
L 2:  Acid Arrow, Continual Light, Mirror Image, Rope Trick, Wizard Lock
L 1:  Armor, Cantrip, Detect Magic, Feather Fall, Find Familiar, Grease, Identify, Magic Missile, Read Magic

Hit Point Rolls Record: 
Mage:  4, 2, 4, 2   +Con=20
Ranger, 10, 8, 8, 7, 3   +Con=46

Gear: 
Sashling with spell book pouch. 
Wizard locked spellbook wrapped in honey leather. 


   “Merry Met, stranger, welcome to Glenraven.  We welcome all who come in peace, in search of honest trade.  When the sun is above the trees, it is a time for business.  We trade both our own wares and those of our more reclusive cousins—the high elves of Crystal Keep and the sylvan elves of the deep woods.   If you’re coin is good and your need is sincere, you may also find you can hire elven mercenaries here, or commission the craft of magical items—though the second can run a goodly fortune.
   “The High Boughs Inn offers you its hospitality.  Let us know if you can’t make it up the rope ladder.  The price of the first drink is always a story.  When the stars shine bright it is time for singing.  We always love new songs.” 
   Amarantha Evensong grew up in a tree house outside the forest town of Glenraven.  Her father, Arthus, was a mage powerful enough to craft magical items, and he was known to sell a scroll or three in his time.  Her mother, Eelonwy, was a ranger skilled with the bow and a master of herb lore—especially the medicinal sort. 
   As a child, Amarantha played in the woods, but had to take care, for orcs, goblins, and especially trolls sometimes raided them out of the nearby hills.  The third child, Amerantha need not succeed her parents in either of their crafts.  With dreams of a strong and independent life protecting the elven way, she apprenticed to the local master of the Bladesong.  For a hundred years—beginning when she was just a slip of a girl of twenty, Amarantha endured ten hours a day of grueling mental and physical training.  Fortunately, she only needed four hours or rest every night, giving her time to dance, play and meet foreigners visiting Glenraven.  She and her family alike were never  more proud than when she was given the panther tattoo and took her oaths to defend the elven people and uphold the elven way. 

[Blinkin]

I'll accept her, but I need to ask if the spells listed are the ones that she regularly memorizes, or if it changes from day to day. If it changes, I'll need the new list each day.

Equipment: At this point, all that she needs is armor and weapon. Everything else will be provided. As a random roll, her magical item is a +3 longsword and +1 chain (not elven) If you like, I'll trade the chain for a +2 studded leather or leather.

[Blinkin]

I think we could do that. Send me a PM and I'll see what I can do about the book situation. I think that if I ask nicely, Mr. Muse will help you with the AD&D character generation part of it.

The game will be largely freeform; the system is more to set a mood and to add structure than anything. But, as I learned AD&D by playing it, I'm sure that you can pick it up as you go.

[Muse]

I'll accept her, but I need to ask if the spells listed are the ones that she regularly memorizes, or if it changes from day to day. If it changes, I'll need the new list each day.

Equipment: At this point, all that she needs is armor and weapon. Everything else will be provided. As a random roll, her magical item is a +3 longsword and +1 chain (not elven) If you like, I'll trade the chain for a +2 studded leather or leather.

The spells change from day to day.  She tends to keep Acid Arrow wracked in case she runs into trolls.  (Or enemy spellcasters.) 

The longsword is VERY NICE. 

Could I trade the armor for Bracers of Defense?  Or just forge it and use the Armor spell?  It's both a stylistic thing and that I'd like to be able to cast my spells.  :) 

*  *  *

Phoenix, I'd be happy to help you with the mechanics. 

[Teo Torriatte]

Oh hey there Red! That would be awesome if you could play!

I will have a character(or at least the beginnings of one) up some time tomorrow. Pretty sure I will be playing a Dark Elf.  :-)

[Blinkin]

I'll offer to reroll the armour and see what you get on the random tables, or you can think about trading the chain with someone else for something they might get.

As a note, all of the magic items that I'm giving out are randomly rolled just for the variety. I have no idea what anyone gets until the dice stop. So, if someone gets a ring of wishes or a scroll of continual light is up to the dice.

[Muse]

All right, I'll wait a bit to see if someone needs it. 

But I a miscellaneous wondrous item or ring would have much coolness.  :)

(Or a wand...  Magic Missiels...  Or maybe Wonder.  ;)  )

[Blinkin]

Ok, 1 ring of self delusion and wand of confusion coming up... just make sure that you're pointing the dangerous end at the bad guys. ;)

[Marie Reynolds]

Hello I would like to throw my hat in. For the Modern World I was thinking someone in the that most likely makes custom order clothes with an online business  and a bondage model and goes to school partime for a batchelors in Fashion Design. In the Fantasy world she would be a bard flavor of which still deciding on and not quite sure of the race yet.

[Blinkin]

Your welcome to toss your hat in.

So much for that wanting to limit magic... why did I think that I could get away with that? lol

The make-up of the party so far is:

1. Muse: Elven ranger/mage (5/4) "Bladesinger"... magic-user
Karasu: Half-elf mage ... magic-user
Luna: Dark Elf unknown class... innate magic.
Red Pheonix: Unknown
Marie Reynolds: Unknown bard ... magic user.

I can see that we may be decidedly light on thieving abilities and devine intervention ability. So, I hope that these ladies can either charm their way out of things, or get use to being tied up and ravaged by who knows what. ;)

The pattern holds true! *chuckles* I must be the last hold out who doesn't care for magical characters. lol

[Marie Reynolds]

Well now that i looked through them ill be going with the Gypsy bard so not to much in the magic department besides some scrying and talking to animals.

[Devil's Advocate]

OK, this game absolutely excites me!  I miss 2nd ed too.  What do I need to do to get involved?

[Devil's Advocate]

Oh, and incidentally, I'm thief oriented. :)

[Interested]

I'm interested in playing a Human Dual Class Fighter/Cleric. A non-annoying Anomen.

[Blinkin]

Ok, that makes 7 interested parties. For the fighter/cleric, I'll need to know the levels, and how far you can get with 36,000 EXP. You can probably get anything from a 6th level fighter and 1st level cleric to a 1st level fighter and 6th level cleric.

thieves are always a bonus in this type of setting. You will, however have to come up with the "real" character's personality and background. This will be what the fantasy character has to fight against as either the "real" you or the fantasy you takes control in time.

In short, the real character brings some skills to the character that are vague and are mainly in the field inwhich your "real" character was involved. The "fantasy" character will give you the skills that are part of that character. The problem is finding a balance between the two that allows you to access those vital skills and abilities.

As an example, in the AD&D system, magic is described as being something like this, or that. The reality of it may be a little different when you actually have to spend hours of cramming to get the spell back... Or, praying to a diety that you don't believe in to retrieve those spells. and so on. Things to think about and play out can be fun and even a little humorous as the characters learn about themselves.

[Interested]

We could loophole around that. Actually, now that I think about it, I'd rather be a Human Cleric.
A Cleric that worships Good as a Force. As a Player, he would think that God is actually the Force of Good in D&D, and I think that should make the problem solved.

Unless by levels you mean our starting levels. I was hoping to have a Figher level 7 and then a Cleric. . .So I could start out with a Fighter level 7 and then dual class later.

[Karasu]

My own character would be playing a male elven spellcaster. In all truth I am not familiar of the spellcasters beyond Wizard and Sorcerer, SO help would be appriciated <3

[Blinkin]

We could loophole around that. Actually, now that I think about it, I'd rather be a Human Cleric.
A Cleric that worships Good as a Force. As a Player, he would think that God is actually the Force of Good in D&D, and I think that should make the problem solved.

Unless by levels you mean our starting levels. I was hoping to have a Figher level 7 and then a Cleric. . .So I could start out with a Fighter level 7 and then dual class later.

Ok, more than a bit to respond to hre, so let me take it one at a time.

The problem with the solution that you offered is that the role-player character may, or maynot believe in God, The Goddess or some other form of diety commonly practiced in the real world. The fantasy character, on the other hand, would certainly believe in a being from which he or she prays for spells and other diety related abilities.Even if that would be a general goodness, few people on our side simply pray to the "being of goodness." Usually, people pray to a "God"(or one of his various names) and that the prayer be addressed to someone. I'm not sure, "Oh all perserving goodness of the universe, give me the strength to carry on even when politicians are trying to starve me to death." would work.

All of that aside, the role-player MUST have faith and believe in the diety that the fantasy character follows, or it's sort of likean athiest trying to tell himself that by praying, he will be heard by a god that doesn't exist. Make any sense?

The personality of the fantasy character can help with this, but ultimately, the role-player is going to have to find the faith to sincerely offer prayers to Aphrodite (as an example) and that she'll hear you and grant your request.

I'm not going to make it that big of an issue, but it should be something for the characters to deal with as part of the merging of the characters.

The level thing is how many levels that you can squeeze out of 40K EXP. a 6th level fighter requires 32,000 exp. So, you could pick up another level (or 2) with the remaining 8K. Actually, 8K could get you more than a couple of levels in mostcombinations. A 6th level cleric is 27,500, I think, so that gives you a little more lee-way in a dual class.

Both thief and druid hit 7th level at 40K as single classes.

I would rather that you dual class, if you're going to, before the game begins simply because it'll be easier to achieve that way. To get a 7th level fighter, you would have to get another 24,000 exp and THEN whatever EXP that it takes to get to level 1 in the other class before you can dual class. Dependng on how things go, that could be quite a while.

My own character would be playing a male elven spellcaster. In all truth I am not familiar of the spellcasters beyond Wizard and Sorcerer, SO help would be appriciated <3

I'll send you a PM on this.

[Blinkin]

Alrighty then.

I've created an OOC thread so that we can take things there and handle things there. I think we have about a full group now and we'll see how things work out.

[Interested]

Ok, more than a bit to respond to hre, so let me take it one at a time.

The problem with the solution that you offered is that the role-player character may, or maynot believe in God, The Goddess or some other form of diety commonly practiced in the real world. The fantasy character, on the other hand, would certainly believe in a being from which he or she prays for spells and other diety related abilities.Even if that would be a general goodness, few people on our side simply pray to the "being of goodness." Usually, people pray to a "God"(or one of his various names) and that the prayer be addressed to someone. I'm not sure, "Oh all perserving goodness of the universe, give me the strength to carry on even when politicians are trying to starve me to death." would work.

All of that aside, the role-player MUST have faith and believe in the diety that the fantasy character follows, or it's sort of likean athiest trying to tell himself that by praying, he will be heard by a god that doesn't exist. Make any sense?

The personality of the fantasy character can help with this, but ultimately, the role-player is going to have to find the faith to sincerely offer prayers to Aphrodite (as an example) and that she'll hear you and grant your request.

I'm not going to make it that big of an issue, but it should be something for the characters to deal with as part of the merging of the characters.

The level thing is how many levels that you can squeeze out of 40K EXP. a 6th level fighter requires 32,000 exp. So, you could pick up another level (or 2) with the remaining 8K. Actually, 8K could get you more than a couple of levels in mostcombinations. A 6th level cleric is 27,500, I think, so that gives you a little more lee-way in a dual class.

Both thief and druid hit 7th level at 40K as single classes.

I would rather that you dual class, if you're going to, before the game begins simply because it'll be easier to achieve that way. To get a 7th level fighter, you would have to get another 24,000 exp and THEN whatever EXP that it takes to get to level 1 in the other class before you can dual class. Dependng on how things go, that could be quite a while.

I'll send you a PM on this.

Okay, so what you mean is, we start the game with whatever class we want that has 36,000 XP in it?

[Muse]

Class or classes, intrested. 

For example, with 36,000 EXP as a human with 16+ strength and 17+ wisdom, you could have been a fighter--preferably one who focused on a hammer or mace--who got to fourth level--then had a spiritual awakening, joined a church, adn became a cleric.  Having now reached 5th level as a cleric, he has access to his fighter skills again. 

This character would have for hit points:  10+3d10+1d8. 
He would have a thac0 of 17. 
He would have the spellcasting abilities of a cleric (5th level.) 
Depending on rolls, he might have exeptional strength of a boost start of very good hit points.  You could also make him a weapon specialist in footmans or horseman's mace. 

Send me a PM if you need more help. 

[Muse]

If you can't find the game, it's here.  :)

https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160872.msg7424555#new

[Blinkin]

Interested: Check in with Muse and he'll set you right.

Red Pheonix: Usually, the class that everyone tells you that the group needs is a cleric, but as we have one on the way, I would suggest a thief of some type. They don't have anyone (yet) who can do any of those little jobs.

If either of you need help with the books, send me a PM and I'll see what I can do to supply something.

[Devil's Advocate]

Ok, more than a bit to respond to hre, so let me take it one at a time.

The problem with the solution that you offered is that the role-player character may, or maynot believe in God, The Goddess or some other form of diety commonly practiced in the real world. The fantasy character, on the other hand, would certainly believe in a being from which he or she prays for spells and other diety related abilities.Even if that would be a general goodness, few people on our side simply pray to the "being of goodness." Usually, people pray to a "God"(or one of his various names) and that the prayer be addressed to someone. I'm not sure, "Oh all perserving goodness of the universe, give me the strength to carry on even when politicians are trying to starve me to death." would work.

All of that aside, the role-player MUST have faith and believe in the diety that the fantasy character follows, or it's sort of likean athiest trying to tell himself that by praying, he will be heard by a god that doesn't exist. Make any sense?

The personality of the fantasy character can help with this, but ultimately, the role-player is going to have to find the faith to sincerely offer prayers to Aphrodite (as an example) and that she'll hear you and grant your request.

I'm not going to make it that big of an issue, but it should be something for the characters to deal with as part of the merging of the characters.

The level thing is how many levels that you can squeeze out of 40K EXP. a 6th level fighter requires 32,000 exp. So, you could pick up another level (or 2) with the remaining 8K. Actually, 8K could get you more than a couple of levels in mostcombinations. A 6th level cleric is 27,500, I think, so that gives you a little more lee-way in a dual class.

Both thief and druid hit 7th level at 40K as single classes.

I would rather that you dual class, if you're going to, before the game begins simply because it'll be easier to achieve that way. To get a 7th level fighter, you would have to get another 24,000 exp and THEN whatever EXP that it takes to get to level 1 in the other class before you can dual class. Dependng on how things go, that could be quite a while.

I'll send you a PM on this.

7th level thief....  I can do that.  Of course there are the matters I brought up on the OOC.... 

[Muse]

Last I checked, Luna was working on a sworddancer of Eilsitraee--who is a cleric type. 

Interested was still throwing ideas around. 

And we had people expressing interest in a thief and a mutlicalss thief. 

Am I the only one who thinks it would be interesting for the character Pheonix describes to become a paladin?  The reason I say that, is she comes across as a somewhat of a poser, more interested in being thought righteous than being righteous.  As a paladin--or druid--she suddenly has to live up to it! 

[Interested]

I'll have to think on my character some more.

[Muse]

  Perhaps Lilly is either court druid too, or the aprentice to court druid too, a human nobleman who has been a patron to our group?

[Blinkin]

I like her. :)

The only concern I have is that she might loose that influencial position in the course of the game, but we'll see how she does at maintaining it. 

Muse has a good suggestion, I would give some consideration to not keeping the background secret since the party has been adventuring together for some time and personal history has a way of coming out in the normal course of things, particularly if a character is use to being a power among the nobility.

I think that there's a little error in the experience to next level. Level 7 is 40K, so I'm not entirely sure that the next level is just 20K away. I'll check on that.

The good stuff...magical items. Lilly gets... Drum roll please...

Boots of Speed and +1 shield


BTW: I'll need a list of the spells that she "usually" has available. If something changes in the list, just let me know.
Now, if you would be so good as to post Lilly/Oakley to the OOC board. :)

[Karasu]

 mm I'm stuck doing my Char sheet..

But I can come up with my mages' backround  and stuff easily.

[Blinkin]

Where are you getting stuck at Karasu? Either Muse or I can help you out.

[Karasu]

making a character.. I suck with 2d ed things.. since I've not played a game Penn and Paper wise staring at the character sheet.

[Devil's Advocate]

My advice is start with your concept.  Numbers and what they mean can come later.  Figure out what your characters are and how they function and then even maybe I could help put it into numbers form. 

I'm trying to figure out some more things about the genre before I get my concept going for the D&D character but I'm pretty much certain I know what the human character is.

[Karasu]

I'm playing an Ellf mage.. it's mostly my mind being derpy atm

[Devil's Advocate]

OK, what was the elf's home like.  Why is he/she with the group?  (Assuming we're a group)  Why's the character adventuring?  How'd it find out it had magical skills?  What'd it do once it found them?  Was it an apprentice?  Did it join a mage's guild?  What are its goals?  (Enough thoughts to start with?)

[Karasu]

That part I can make with no problem whatsoever, it's making the SHEET itself I need help with. Because I have VERY little experience with 2nd ed.

I've almost got that part done

[Devil's Advocate]

PM me and I can help you with the sheet.  You get certain bonuses and disads for being an elf and then there are certain pre-reqs for a mage.  I don't have the mage's handbook on me but for the most part it is unnecessary.

[Blinkin]

We are still looking for 1 more, if anyone is interested.

[LittleNekodemon]

would love to play if this is still going on.

[Karasu]

it is indeed dunno if we're accepting more tho..

[Blinkin]

Thanks for your interest. :)

Unfortunately, the group is full, I really couldn't handle any more players.

[LittleNekodemon]

thanks you