The Walking Dead Season 3 Premiere

[Lady Grimm]

Who caught the season 3 premiere of The Walking Dead tonight?

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Oh. My. God.

[Starlequin]

Pretty awesome, wasn't it? :D

[Lady Grimm]

Yes! Amazing!

Yet, at the same time, it was totally shocking. I couldn't believe my eyes. I just sat there without blinking before the credits rolled. I don't even recognize Rick anymore...

I need episode two! I need to know what happens next!

[Starlequin]

Yeah, but after all he's led them through, I'm kinda glad he's hardened up a little. Rick needed a bit of Shane in him. And at the start of the ep, I was hoping that maybe the little idiot Carl had grown up some, but the bit with Beth tells me hes still gonna be a pain in everyone's ass.

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And wtf were they thinking, taking their medic down into a hazard zone to clear out walkers?! Ugh, stupid. Betcha Rick'll end up killing at least a couple of the inmates, too.

[Lady Grimm]

That is a fair point. To be able to survive a zombie apocalypse, you can't be too soft; that particularly applies to the leader. It is best that he adopted a little Shane. Still, I totally didn't see that coming.

Ugh, I don't even want to talk about Carl. I mean, he is noticeably better than he was. Took orders from Rick without question, and his attitude seems to have improved. He has definitely matured somewhat. I have to appreciate and be thankful for that. You're right, though. He is still an annoying little s---. Lol, have you seen the 'Get Out of Here, Carl!' tumblr? If not, you should check it out. It is really quite funny.

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I know, right?! He is one of the -- if not the -- biggest assets to the group. They may be slightly shorthanded, but there is no excuse to risk the medic. I mean, what Rick did will probably save Hershel, which is great, but they now have a serious problem on their hands. Yes, if Rick hadn't done it, they would have lost their medic altogether, but such a valuable member of the team is now basically immobile. It isn't like they can just go out and get a prosthetic. They'll be lucky if they can get their hands on a wheelchair, or even a set of crutches. Even then, it will seriously slow them down. Plus, wheelchairs and crutches can't exactly conquer all types of terrain.

[Lady Grimm]

Of course, what I've said is based on the assumption that they will have to leave at some point. I can't imagine they'll be able to stay there forever because that would be boring.

[Starlequin]

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Nah, Hershel will probably be dead before they leave the prison. And Carol, too; that bitch went from annoying victim to 'needs to friggen die NOW' territory in the course of two episodes! And was i the only one to see the worry about a possible miscarriage zombaby? ::)

[Bloody Rose]

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I just saw the episode and let me tell you, it was way better than a lot of earlier episodes. Rick needed to have a little shane in him like a lot of people say, it makes him strong and it makes him a leader. You cannot have leadership unless the people respects you and he needed to be strong in order for people to actually listen to him. I agree though it was a stupid idea to take the medic of the group out to hunt.

[Lady Grimm]

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Nah, Hershel will probably be dead before they leave the prison. And Carol, too; that bitch went from annoying victim to 'needs to friggen die NOW' territory in the course of two episodes! And was i the only one to see the worry about a possible miscarriage zombaby? ::)

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Ugh, don't say that! I mean, I recognize the likelihood of you being right, but I just don't want to believe it. At first, I couldn't stand how ignorant Hershel was, but by the end of the second season -- and especially in this first episode of the third -- the man has really grown on me. I don't want him to go! And it goes without saying that he is important as hell. If he dies, I'll be crushed.

On a related note, apparently the leg hacking is a major deviation from the graphic novels. I was reading earlier that it was actually supposed to be Dale who experienced lower limb loss. Of course, since that actor wanted to be written out -- I'm not sure why, I didn't really look into it -- they had to re-write it and I guess they chose Hershel. Bad choice, if you ask me. I'd have preferred seeing T-Dog get axed. Then you still have the drama without the loss of Hershel.

As for Carol, I agree. I hope she gets picked off soon. Like, honestly... What has she done for the group other than be a burden by laying around, crying, and being another mouth to feed that doesn't do f--- all or put the group in peril by being too incompetent to look after her kid, ultimately being the reason why Carl was shot and everything at the farm happened? Nothing. Other than that, she has done nothing. Hell, she nearly shot Rick in the foot while he tried to make a dash for the prison gate.

As for the zombaby, I'm totally disappointed in myself. The idea hadn't even occurred to me! It should have, but it was never something that crossed my mind. And even if I had considered zombaby scenarios, I would have probably only considered it being stillborn. My jaw dropped when Lori was all, "What if it eats me from the inside out?" Such a valid and disturbing point!

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I just saw the episode and let me tell you, it was way better than a lot of earlier episodes. Rick needed to have a little shane in him like a lot of people say, it makes him strong and it makes him a leader. You cannot have leadership unless the people respects you and he needed to be strong in order for people to actually listen to him. I agree though it was a stupid idea to take the medic of the group out to hunt.

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You bring up an interesting point. Yes, some components of an inner Shane is a positive. He'll be able to make decisions without emotions clouding his judgement, but I disagree with what you are saying in regards to respect and other people listening to him. I mean, I'm not denying that respect is crucial in order for the group to listen, but that is the problem. If Rick crosses the line between assertive leader and cold dictator, things could go wrong. I know that I couldn't respect a leader if their decisions -- even if it was for the good of the group -- were such that they may not be the best/safest choice. If anyone in the group sees things the same way I do, and Rick becomes too much of a dictator, it could lead to tension, power struggles, and all sorts of issues.

[Starlequin]

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Well. If I were writing it, I don't think there's anyone in the group who would attempt another mutiny, esp after seeing where it got Shane. Glenn and Daryl are the only two with any leadership qualities beside Rick. Glenn will side with Rick as long as Maggie is safe, and Daryl just doesn't care enough to try taking over. At least, he wont until Merle returns and forces him to choose sides once and for all. And according to the story notes, the writers changed the amputation from Dale to Hershel mainly just to keep the story changed up from the comics, to keep readers/viewers guessing. (And also cuz Dale already got nommed.)

[Shjade]

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Well. If I were writing it, I don't think there's anyone in the group who would attempt another mutiny, esp after seeing where it got Shane. Glenn and Daryl are the only two with any leadership qualities beside Rick. Glenn will side with Rick as long as Maggie is safe, and Daryl just doesn't care enough to try taking over. At least, he wont until Merle returns and forces him to choose sides once and for all. And according to the story notes, the writers changed the amputation from Dale to Hershel mainly just to keep the story changed up from the comics, to keep readers/viewers guessing. (And also cuz Dale already got nommed.)

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You mean Rick, right? I don't remember Dale losing any limbs in the comic. At least not until they ran into cannibals.

[Starlequin]

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Might've been. I've never read the comics; I was referring to the pop-up notes that played during the Talking Dead aftershow. I was sure they said Dale lost his leg in the comic, but maybe I'm misremembering because I wouldn't expect a char like Rick to acquire a handicap that severe. *shrugs*

[Lady Grimm]

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I haven't read the comics either, but I was still under the impression that it was Dale who lost a limb. That is just what I read, anyway...


Oh, and back to that thing about Merle... You really think he is back? I know the trailer leads a person to believe that he is, but I also considered the possibility that the scene included in the trailer could be a trick. You know, another one of Daryl's daydreams sort of thing like when he was out looking for Sophia. Of course, there is a possibility that Merle is actually back, but I just cannot see how. Let's get serious for a minute! Merle was dehydrated, delirious, and desperate to the point where he cut off his own damn hand. In order for him to survive, he would have to overcome that, blood loss, and probably hunger to get his butt off of that roof -- which had to be done on some fire escape or something since the door was locked. Oh, and I forgot drug withdrawal since Rick tossed his coke. I don't know about you, but I don't think I would be up for traversing rooftops and fire escapes with a fresh injury and only one hand while undead cannibals are snapping at my heels, and I'd be much less up to it with all those other factors I mentioned thrown in, too. Not to mention his only weapon to aid him on his escape would be the limited ammo that was in his gun since (if I recall correctly) he didn't take the saw with him as a hand-to-hand combat weapon. So many people have died trying to escape under better circumstances, but Merle can survive all that? C'mon, that is crazy farfetched.

[Shjade]

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Might've been. I've never read the comics; I was referring to the pop-up notes that played during the Talking Dead aftershow. I was sure they said Dale lost his leg in the comic, but maybe I'm misremembering because I wouldn't expect a char like Rick to acquire a handicap that severe. *shrugs*

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Rick loses a hand in the comics, but that's the only major limb impairment for most of the series. Dale does lose a leg, but it's much, much later in the series and doesn't really matter since he dies shortly thereafter - like maybe 30 pages later - and isn't related to zombie plague spread. It's because he gets captured by some cannibals who cut his leg off. To eat it. Not really the same thing, but eh, they're the writers.

[Aiden]

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Merle seems like the survivor type, I wouldn't doubt he was able to survive hacking off his own arm and fending off the undead in order to get his pay back on rick.

Those inmates are so dead...I just know it.

Risking Hershel was stupid but I think Rick acknowledged that while he is leader, Hershel would not stand idly by while the men went off to secure supplies for the rest of the group.

I don't see what was wrong with what Carl, did, can someone remind me?

[Starlequin]

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I haven't read the comics either, but I was still under the impression that it was Dale who lost a limb. That is just what I read, anyway...


Oh, and back to that thing about Merle... You really think he is back? I know the trailer leads a person to believe that he is, but I also considered the possibility that the scene included in the trailer could be a trick. You know, another one of Daryl's daydreams sort of thing like when he was out looking for Sophia. Of course, there is a possibility that Merle is actually back, but I just cannot see how. Let's get serious for a minute! Merle was dehydrated, delirious, and desperate to the point where he cut off his own damn hand. In order for him to survive, he would have to overcome that, blood loss, and probably hunger to get his butt off of that roof -- which had to be done on some fire escape or something since the door was locked. Oh, and I forgot drug withdrawal since Rick tossed his coke. I don't know about you, but I don't think I would be up for traversing rooftops and fire escapes with a fresh injury and only one hand while undead cannibals are snapping at my heels, and I'd be much less up to it with all those other factors I mentioned thrown in, too. Not to mention his only weapon to aid him on his escape would be the limited ammo that was in his gun since (if I recall correctly) he didn't take the saw with him as a hand-to-hand combat weapon. So many people have died trying to escape under better circumstances, but Merle can survive all that? C'mon, that is crazy farfetched.

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If a comatose man can wake up and escape a hospital filled with zombies despite almost certainly suffering muscle atrophy, being unarmed and wearing nothing but a hospital gown...

If a fat guy from Brooklyn can survive and outrun a zombie horde...

If a bunch of civilians can score continuous head shots on zombies from a moving car...

Then I'm willing to bet that a pissed off, meth headed, redneck survivalist could hold his own for a pretty good stretch.

Besides, even if  Merle IS dead, Daryl is still gonna have to come to terms with his memory. Ghosts and regrets can be powerful char motivaters, after all.

@Aiden: eh, its not that theres anything wrong with Carl, but the way he acted around Beth when they were in her bunk and the look she shared with Hershel after he left just screams out 'Impending Puberty-Related Awkwardness, Take Cover!'. All the crap they're going through, and now they'll have to put up with puppy love, too.

[Lady Grimm]

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If a comatose man can wake up and escape a hospital filled with zombies despite almost certainly suffering muscle atrophy, being unarmed and wearing nothing but a hospital gown...

If a fat guy from Brooklyn can survive and outrun a zombie horde...

If a bunch of civilians can score continuous head shots on zombies from a moving car...

Then I'm willing to bet that a pissed off, meth headed, redneck survivalist could hold his own for a pretty good stretch.

Besides, even if  Merle IS dead, Daryl is still gonna have to come to terms with his memory. Ghosts and regrets can be powerful char motivaters, after all.

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Touche, my good sir. Touche.

Okay, so maybe I'm a little out of context. All the characters and their ability to survive are perhaps slightly improbable. Merle just seems to have more things working against him, you know? Even if he's a ballsy, redneck survivalist.

[LaCroix]

I might be in the minority here about my opinion of Rick but...

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While I'm glad he's hardened up somewhat, I kind of hate to see how -drastically- he has changed. Other than Dale, Rick was the groups last shred of humanity. He was always trying to do the right thing even when that way of thinking, arguably, no longer has a place in a world full of the Walking Dead. Still, it was nice seeing him trying to be an honorable man while at the same time struggling with the -hard- choices that had to be made for the good of the group. That kind of character depth, to me, is one reason why the show has been so amazing up to this point.

That being said, I loved the episode and I can't wait to see what will happen next. Thank God season 3 is finally here, but I'm already jonsesing for episode two, hard.

[Starlequin]

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So why not have both? There's no reason he can't be a bit hardassed to protect the group, and still do what's right. The hardest part of leading is maintaining unity, whether through love, hate, fear or self-interest; now that Rick finally has everyone (mostly) moving together, he can work on guiding them in the right direction. Besides, the bright side to 'losing' humanity is that it can be regained later.

[bubby]

*Just squees!*

[Lady Grimm]

I might be in the minority here about my opinion of Rick but...

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While I'm glad he's hardened up somewhat, I kind of hate to see how -drastically- he has changed. Other than Dale, Rick was the groups last shred of humanity. He was always trying to do the right thing even when that way of thinking, arguably, no longer has a place in a world full of the Walking Dead. Still, it was nice seeing him trying to be an honorable man while at the same time struggling with the -hard- choices that had to be made for the good of the group. That kind of character depth, to me, is one reason why the show has been so amazing up to this point.

That being said, I loved the episode and I can't wait to see what will happen next. Thank God season 3 is finally here, but I'm already jonsesing for episode two, hard.

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I know what you're saying. I agree. He may be too much on the other end of the spectrum now, but I suppose I sort of understand it. He is feeling a whole lot of pressure because of how Lori is getting so far along in her pregnancy. Finding a secure place to hold up for as long as possible is paramount to him, and it is also something immensely difficult. They are running out of time to sit back and make the most ethical decisions in a world where morals barely even apply.

Furthermore, he probably still isn't over the craziness of the whole Shane thing. It would take quite an emotional toll on you if the person you were best friends with since childhood starts banging your wife, knocks her up (potentially), and then tries to kill him. And then of course since he can't take it out on Shane since he's dead, he takes it out on Lori, and I can understand why he is doing it more and more... With a child on the way that is potentially Shane's, it must be a tough reality to face, even if they'll never know whose kid it actually is.

I feel you there. As soon as the episode ended, I was going nuts. I need episode two.

[SinXAzgard21]

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So, I don't know if this was brought up in the comics or explained elsewhere in an interview, but since the human race is infected with this virus that turns them into walkers upon death....  Why cut off Hershel's leg considering that wound was not entirely fatal?  I believe that cutting his leg off did more harm than good in this situation.

[Lady Grimm]

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So, I don't know if this was brought up in the comics or explained elsewhere in an interview, but since the human race is infected with this virus that turns them into walkers upon death....  Why cut off Hershel's leg considering that wound was not entirely fatal?  I believe that cutting his leg off did more harm than good in this situation.

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I haven't read the graphic novels or seen many interviews, so I don't know if the answer is there. I do, however, have my own hypothesis for this. It seems to be that a person who has not been bitten carries the virus within them until death, at which point they will be reanimated by the virus. If a person is bit, however, the injury -- no matter whether it was damage to a major artery or just a small graze -- is fatal. Perhaps the passing of the virus through saliva or something triggers the virus to become active. Since the injury kills them, the virus then reanimates them. So yeah, since Hershel was bit, there was no escaping the inevitable death, and Rick figured just cutting it off was a logical and possibly effective option. Probably something that was considered before, but was never worth trying. After all, it isn't about saving Hershel, it is about ensuring someone with medical knowledge being around to deliver his baby.

[Starlequin]

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The virus remains dormant in a host body until either the host dies or makes intravenous contact with live viral cells via a bite or bloody scratch from a walker, whereupon the virus amplifies and the victim turns. Best chance to prevent the spread of the live virus is amputation of an infected limb before it can completely spread throughout the host's body. Bitten+not amputated in time=turned.

Edit: damn slow-ass thumb typing keypad! Ninja'd by Lady G, lol.

[Lady Grimm]

Edit: damn slow-ass thumb typing keypad! Ninja'd by Lady G, lol.

Hehe! Sorry, love. I'm a quick one! Just can't resist jumping in on zombie good time discussion. :P

[Shjade]

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Or it's not a virus, zombie bites are just full of nasty infection and kill you and then whatever supernatural force is animating the zombies picks you back up.

The CDC couldn't get anything substantial on the cause of this state of affairs. I don't think anyone's proven it's a virus.

[Lady Grimm]

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Or it's not a virus, zombie bites are just full of nasty infection and kill you and then whatever supernatural force is animating the zombies picks you back up.

The CDC couldn't get anything substantial on the cause of this state of affairs. I don't think anyone's proven it's a virus.

Dang. You make a point! I think Starlequin and I were just showed up; what you're suggesting is a totally valid possibility.

[Starlequin]

Um, actually...

There's no reason to think there is anything remotely supernatural going on. The CDC seemed like it had a pretty solid grasp on the matter; it was just a bigger epidemic than they were capable of containing. If the cause wasn't viral, then how was Jenner able to track the infection's effects in his wife, and how could he tell Rick that the living were already infected with the dormant strain? If it was something supernatural, then there would be no reason for it to present in living hosts at all, and just about anyone could turn at anytime, which isnt what we've seen this far. A virus, probably an artificially engineered one, is the most likely culprit.

[Lady Grimm]

Um, actually...

There's no reason to think there is anything remotely supernatural going on. The CDC seemed like it had a pretty solid grasp on the matter; it was just a bigger epidemic than they were capable of containing. If the cause wasn't viral, then how was Jenner able to track the infection's effects in his wife, and how could he tell Rick that the living were already infected with the dormant strain? If it was something supernatural, then there would be no reason for it to present in living hosts at all, and just about anyone could turn at anytime, which isnt what we've seen this far. A virus, probably an artificially engineered one, is the most likely culprit.

+1

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That is true; I am totally with you on this. I'm just willing to acknowledge that there are any number of possibilities. I am a firm believer in the virus thing, but, until there is a moment of 100% confirmation of the root cause, there are any number of possibilities as to what exactly is going on. Right now, all we can do is speculate based on the information we are given which, to me, totally points at virus. It is just that the writers could easily throw any number of curveballs. They've already done so a dozen times.

[Shjade]

Um, actually...

There's no reason to think there is anything remotely supernatural going on. The CDC seemed like it had a pretty solid grasp on the matter; it was just a bigger epidemic than they were capable of containing. If the cause wasn't viral, then how was Jenner able to track the infection's effects in his wife, and how could he tell Rick that the living were already infected with the dormant strain? If it was something supernatural, then there would be no reason for it to present in living hosts at all, and just about anyone could turn at anytime, which isnt what we've seen this far. A virus, probably an artificially engineered one, is the most likely culprit.

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Possible, yes. Most likely? Not necessarily. Being able to observe effects doesn't mean what you think you're observing actually is what's happening. CDC guy came to the best conclusion he could according to what made sense to him, but when all you have is a virus-tracking hammer, things tend to look like virus-nails.

[SinXAzgard21]

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Hmm.  Well then the virus would have to rapidly mutate otherwise a cure would have been found.  Also that means that if that when a victim is bitten their own infection would have to mutate into the biters infection, other wise they'd be double infected? (which would be silly).  I don't think that there is any supernatural thing going on.  I just want to know for sure that a non-lethal scratch or bite would infect.  However, Shjade made good point about the zombie bites having germs that could cause serious infection, human mouths not being the cleanest when alive, that could  lead to death.  If this is correct then I can see the amputation being a logical choice.  Of course we all still have no fucking clue on how the virus is actually spread.

For those who read the comics I understand that it is further along and it may have been explained but TV shows almost always differ from the book.

[Shjade]

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I think they've actually explained less in the comic than the show. From what I recall they've come to the same conclusion re: you're going to come back no matter how you die if the brain's still intact, but beyond that people have more or less had an attitude that can be summed up as, "Who the fuck cares why they're zombies, they're fucking ZOMBIES, let's avoid them." There was no trip to the CDC in the comic, no real investigation into possible causes. They've just learned via cause and effect interaction with zombies and their victims and that's about it.

[Lady Grimm]

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I think they've actually explained less in the comic than the show. From what I recall they've come to the same conclusion re: you're going to come back no matter how you die if the brain's still intact, but beyond that people have more or less had an attitude that can be summed up as, "Who the fuck cares why they're zombies, they're fucking ZOMBIES, let's avoid them." There was no trip to the CDC in the comic, no real investigation into possible causes. They've just learned via cause and effect interaction with zombies and their victims and that's about it.

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Interesting... So they've really deviated quite significantly... Perhaps its to appease the much larger audience that the show can reach. People like answers, right? So if people don't get answers, they won't be happy campers and will probably stop tuning in. A lot of the appeal of the zombie concept is not knowing, but we're not talking about taking this concept and making it into something that a more mainstream audience can also enjoy.

Now what about predictions?!

Do you think...

Hershel will make it?

The leg-chopping will work?

Anyone else from the main characters is going to meet a demise anytime soon? If so, who?

The inmates will be accepting of the fact that there are new people coming and trying to get in on their sanctuary?

[Starlequin]

Hey, congratz on approval!

A'ight, now peep this.

Hershel will probably survive long enough to direct Beth and Maggie through delivering the baby, probably while the others fend off a sudden walker resurgence, then die tragically from shock and blood loss. Or he might turn and be put down just as little Shane/Sophia is born.

Probably no more deaths for a while, but eventually they'll knock off Carol first, because screw her, then Beth because it'll strain things between Glenn and Maggie and send everyone on another wild Carl chase.

Audrey will hook back up with the others, but Shane's death combined with the threat of the Woodbury community and her new 'loyalty' with Mishon will keep her from rejoining the group for a while.

The inmates will either get kicked out, killed, or assimilated into the Woodbury group; probably a few of each.

[Lady Grimm]

Hey, congratz on approval!

A'ight, now peep this.

Hershel will probably survive long enough to direct Beth and Maggie through delivering the baby, probably while the others fend off a sudden walker resurgence, then die tragically from shock and blood loss. Or he might turn and be put down just as little Shane/Sophia is born.

Probably no more deaths for a while, but eventually they'll knock off Carol first, because screw her, then Beth because it'll strain things between Glenn and Maggie and send everyone on another wild Carl chase.

Audrey will hook back up with the others, but Shane's death combined with the threat of the Woodbury community and her new 'loyalty' with Mishon will keep her from rejoining the group for a while.

The inmates will either get kicked out, killed, or assimilated into the Woodbury group; probably a few of each.

Thanks! Very excited to get roleplaying around here. :)

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Ha! I love all your predictions. Good times.

That Hershel scenario seems likely. Particularly the bit with a zombie wave mid-labour. The birth is going to be an undeniable cluster f---. Like, God damn. I understand that it could be a really emotional and difficult decision to abort a pregnancy, but WHY would Lori have thrown up those pills? Like, how delusional is she?! Even if they weren't living on the run and constantly worrying about where their next meal was coming from (not good circumstances to raise a child to begin with), they have to be mindful of ZOMBIES. Like, what the hell? What makes anyone think that a baby who cries, essentially ringing a zombie dinner bell, is an even remotely okay idea? She is treating this baby like a blessing, when it is the biggest curse ever. If I found myself in this situation, and didn't have access to abortion pills, I'd have throw myself down the stairs in hopes of miscarrying ages ago. She is a selfish cow.

I hope you're right about Carol. Screw her, indeed! She is useless and has nothing to live for anyway. Pfffft!

And Beth, well, that will be hilarious for Carl. He'll be totally destroyed. And if you ask me, he deserves it after being a pain in the ass for so long. Plus, she is basically the only girl left in the world (practically, anyway) who he'll ever be able to hook up with ever. Ahahaha! Can you imagine? Scary thoughts.

But back on topic... In regards to Beth/Carl, though, isn't she like, 16? I'm guessing that based on something Hershel said in season two. And what about Carl?! Like, 13?! I know three years isn't very much in terms of age difference, but when you are that young, it is a pretty significant jump. Am I the only one that thinks that is weird?

Speaking of Mishon, what the hell is with the zombie pets? Like, what purpose do they serve? Or is she just f---ed up?

[Aiden]

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The zombie pets are her former boyfriend and best friend, she drags them along for two purposes.
1. They are something of her past/loves ones.
2. When she travels, others walkers rarely notice her because of the walker presence. Like the time the group rubbed themselves with zombie guts and was able to sneak through a horde of walkers.

[Lady Grimm]

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The zombie pets are her former boyfriend and best friend, she drags them along for two purposes.
1. They are something of her past/loves ones.
2. When she travels, others walkers rarely notice her because of the walker presence. Like the time the group rubbed themselves with zombie guts and was able to sneak through a horde of walkers.

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Oh...

Well, that's a little morbid. I mean, awesome that it works to keep walkers away, but it is still weird that she is dragging turned loved ones along.

Good to know, though. Thanks!

[Aiden]

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I agree it is pretty morbid but pretty smart of her.

I understand her reasons to do it. I don't follow the comics but I did read the wiki to learn more of Mishonne when she appeared at the end of season 2.

Since the show has branched off so much from the comics, I think the walker past story is still there.

I want to learn more of THIS version of Mishonne and look forward to what happens with her and Andrea.

[Lady Grimm]

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I agree it is pretty morbid but pretty smart of her.

I understand her reasons to do it. I don't follow the comics but I did read the wiki to learn more of Mishonne when she appeared at the end of season 2.

Since the show has branched off so much from the comics, I think the walker past story is still there.

I want to learn more of THIS version of Mishonne and look forward to what happens with her and Andrea.

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As much as I wanted to, I didn't check the wiki for anything. I was too afraid of spoilers.

Yeah, I'm curious about her and Andrea, and how things go from here. I'm just damned impressed she survived so long on her own, even with the zombie decoys.

To be honest, though, I don't even care what happens at this point. I just want all the episodes now, now, now!

[Geeklet]

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Also, as far as the zombie decoys, if you look, their jaws and arms have been ripped/cut off. So they can't really bite or scratch her. Pretty clever if you ask me.

[Shjade]

I will admit I'm curious about Michonne myself...but probably not curious enough to watch the show. xD

[Lady Grey]

It's official, Rick has officially lost his shit. He's completely lost his mind.

[Lux12]

Wow this is the most spoiler alerts I've seen in one thread.

Also, yes. Rick has gone and turned into a damn berserker within a matter of hours.

[Lady Grey]

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Holy Shit! Worst part is that now the baby all makes them zombie bait. Someone get that kid a binkie and a blanket. At least Carl stayed in the house this episode. Andrea already regrets not leaving and I get the feeling the governor wants to fuck her. It's like watching a cat play with a captured mouse. It's horrifying, disturbing, and yet I can't look away. Damn you show for being so addictive!

[Lux12]

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Holy Shit! Worst part is that now the baby all makes them zombie bait. Someone get that kid a binkie and a blanket. At least Carl stayed in the house this episode. Andrea already regrets not leaving and I get the feeling the governor wants to fuck her. It's like watching a cat play with a captured mouse. It's horrifying, disturbing, and yet I can't look away. Damn you show for being so addictive!

I was thinking about that as I was watching it. The sad part is, it all seems like a plausible outcome for an event of this sort.