Pathfinder Game Wanted

[persephone325]

Flipside, you can be bad ass -and- bang people. 80's action movies taught me this. I understand lewd-fatigue if thats all there is, but then again. *chuckles*

That's fine. ^^ But not what I'm looking for, really.

[Blinkin]

I have to agree with Pres. I don't mind sexy times in a game, but keep it out of the main thread. If someone wants to screw everything in sight, a time skip works well enough, but bogging the game down for everyone else is hard to deal with when everyone else wants to adventure, explore and do stuff other than get screwed. I've seen more than one player who seems to design characters with smuty times foremost in their minds. I mean, how many chain mail bikinied Amazonian nymphs do you have to see to figure out the purpose... nevermind futa/herm characters dying to tell you all about their dicks.

Sadly, the most that I've seen in advancement is 3 levels, starting at 1st; mainly because the players drop, the GM gets discouraged because of player/character antics or two characters get into a pissing match and refuses to step down until one of them drops rather than deal with the smell of urine. Level really doesn't seem to matter in how long a game runs so much as players getting into the game and then disappearing for whatever reason. Drop rates stand at a fairly consistant 60% within 3 weeks of game start.

At any rate, I try to GM chapters rather than try to plan a long term game; sort of like the parts of an adventure path, with defined goals and events and leaving a lot of leeway for the players to have fun with. I firmly believe that if you're not getting the game that you want, that you should work with the GM to get said game, rather than dropping.

[wander]

Yep, there's one GM who quite rightly says something along the line of, there's a goal to the adventure, if your character wants to vanish and would rather not be a part of the party and would rather run into the forest to find the hidden elf village, your character is gonna die and never be heard from again.

I tend to have a character concept in mind, build them up, make sure their equipment is sorted and try my hardest to find an image representative of that. Ideally, I'd love to play a charismatic halfling archer in a game. Unsure on class, Ranger seems a good one for archery though favoured foes would need some GM discussion to make use of that.

I dislike PvP. I'd much rather attack baddy npcs and get some treasure and xp than have to act in self-defence because someone's playing Lawful/Chaotic Stupid or Stupid Evil.

An issue I find with a fair few people here is they want their character to be 'the main character' and special snowflake them up or min/max them when taking advantage of the rules, backstory be damned. This isn't good for a group game where everyone has their own schtick and thing to bring to the table and sure doesn't work when you're Lv.1 and getting wounded/killed is a thing that can quite likely happen. The solution is that the party of PCs works together, accepts everyone has their place and a time to shine and everyone gets eachother's backs lest they need a helping hand next time.

I guess I'm saying long as players are humble and like some good ol' fashioned working together rather than try to steal thunder, there is a bunch of fun to be had.

[Blinkin]

Amen Brutha! lol

I try to come up with a compitient character, but not one that's maximized for anything. I much prefer someone that fills a nitch in a group than one that tries to be everything and rule the roost, so to speak. It's a lot more fun if you're not looking at massive ego's or characters who want to be someplace else. That's why I personally hate the character type that I keep seeing in every game; the "I really don't want to be part of this bunch, " or the "I'm granting you the privlegde of my present... pee-on." attitude. If I find myself in a faceoff with another player who wants to take it into PVP, I'm just walking away from the game. I don't do PVP and I've been known to walk away from a tabletop group over it.

Sadly, when I play rangers and want to pick a favored enemy that may actually make an appearance in the game, nearly all of the GM's ignore the question and, as a result, the class feature is wasted.  If I'm running, I would be happy to give a ranger character some ideas of what they might see instead of forcing someone to lose something that their character should have.

Of course, I'm also of the opinion that Rangers should have access to more critters than the pitiful ones that they do. What's wrong with a ranger having a panther or a bear? lol

[wander]

Yeah, I guess Bard would make a second best for the charismatic archer concept as they can take a shortbow, which suits a halfling. Back on Ranger, in 5e I'd play them as a Hunter, which trades the animal companion for more of a sniper sort of build, which is more the reason I take it. I always see animal companion as a Druid thing myself.

It does make me wonder why someone would make a character in a group game that's whole thing is 'I don't want to associate with you'.

[Chanticleer]

Just weighing in here, as I've been a tiny bit noisy on the PF discussion thread else-forum:

I'm pretty new here, but in my browsing so far, most of the games that seem to've lasted a while seem to be keeping any sexytimes in side-threads so they don't in any way impact the main plot/adventure moving forward. I can take that or just a no-sexy-times-please game, either way, but I'd love to play some Pathfinder.

I haven't previously played Kingmaker, just We Be Goblins and a little bit (not ENOUGH!) of Strange Aeons. I'd love to give KM a shot, regardless of the 'odds of completing it to level 20.'

The journey's the point, right? Finishing a long campaign is actually a sad moment in my experience. Yeah, cool, we won, woo...Now we can't play those characters further.

As to character build philosophy, I don't like utter min/maxing, because if people can at least half-assedly fill two roles instead of one, the party has a better chance of surviving when one person goes down. Flexibility works, who knew? If it takes an extra round to kill things because people are doing 1-3 hp less damage per attack, so what?

TheScarletBlade, I couldn't tell if you were actually offering to GM or not (you said you'd been "thinking about it"?) but I'd love to participate in it if you do!

[TheScarletBlade]

Alright, I am back! Was gone for a little while. Down here in Georgia at the federal law enforcement center, doing some training. Graduate later this week so its not an issue.

As for offering to do it, If people are interested then I am willing to do it. Just looking over the thread whilst I was gone, it seemed like there was interest. If thats not the case then I'm fine with just keeping everything hypothetical. I will reiterate that I have been dming for almost a decade in multiple systems but never any systems on E, so bare with me on that front.

So I've mentioned before and I think Wander mentioned it, that Kingmaker is an adventure path created by Paizo. Books required for the players is only the players hand guide and if you want it, the kingmaker players hand guide. That is only optional though. As for what I like as a GM and what I approve, my answer is anything you can prove to me exists in a book. Personally I have PDF's of all pathfinders books and can pass them out. I also use a free phone app called Masterwork Tools:Pathfinder Open Reference(I think thats the name) Its essentially a collection of everything in the books. If whatever race, archtype, class, discipline or feat is in that reference or one of the books, its approved: if I can look it up. I prefer that random home brew stuff be left out. 

Hopefully odds of completing 1 to 20 would be good, because of the broken nature of adventures allows the subbing of people in and out but even if we don't get there, that's ok with me.

Wander there is a bad ass crossbow based sniper under I think the rogue, that can do ranged backstabs that is like a straight sniper. Hobbit death from the shadows lol.

[wander]

Neat. :)

I'd like to jump in, sure.

[persephone325]

What do you expect the posting rate to be?

[TheScarletBlade]

Personally I have never been a stickler about intense posting, I am willing to go along with the consensus. With my job, I've definitely struggled with posting before, So I don't hold it against people.

[persephone325]

Personally I have never been a stickler about intense posting, I am willing to go along with the consensus. With my job, I've definitely struggled with posting before, So I don't hold it against people.

Okey-dokey then! Color me interested. ^^

[Blinkin]

I'll throw in with a dwarven warpriest of Torag.

[Vergil Tanner]

I might throw up an idea or two. I have an Empty Quiver Archer that I've been dying to play...

I agree with keeping sexy stuff to a side thread, rather than nixing it completely.

Question: What would the stats be? Rolled, or Point Buy? And if I wanted to port over a DnD 3.5 Feat (Dead Eye; it lets you add dex to damage with a ranged weapon at 30ft or less so long as you have Weapon Focus with that weapon, 17 Dex and PBS), would that be acceptable?

[wander]

I've only been looking through the corebook (so far) and the Kingmaker 18pg player's guide, what's the talk of like the extras and weird classes? Are these things from the Player's Guides? Or like prestige classes?

Seems like the paths you can take in later levels like 5e has. I'm somewhat of a noob for PF despite holding the books.

[Vergil Tanner]

Well, there's a whole host of options including Alternate Classes, Archetypes and Prestige Classes. Archetypes, for example, basically modify the base class by replacing and modifying existing class features.

For me, when I say "Empty Quiver archer," I'm referring to a specific build of fighter that focuses on archery and smacking people with their bow. Basically Fantasy Green Arrow. :P

[wander]

Yep, I don't see Archetypes mentioned in the corebook, so must be an extra thing in a Player's Guide I'm guessing. :)

Like I said, I'm pretty noobish to PF, despite having some prior history with 3.5 d20. ^^;

[Vergil Tanner]

Yeah, they're included in the more advanced books and supplements. A good place to find everything would be the Pathfinder SRD:

Linky

Everything related to Pathfinder you could possibly need :D

EG, my Archer Fighter would use the "Archer" Archetype for the fighter class, which trades several things, like Bravery, for a more archery-focused ability instead.

[wander]

Oh, I just haven't looked into any advanced books, I have the pdfs of a fair few though.  :-)

Kingmaker's little player guide makes it look like that it goes purely from corebook stuff though. Which kinda suits for what I'd do going in, start small and get accustomed to any differences to 3.5 before getting more involved with the system's nuances.

[Vergil Tanner]

Well, the corebook would just say that it goes from corebook, but Pathfinder is such that any of the extra rulesets can be glued on without unbalancing anything. The archetypes don't make the Classes more powerful, just more...specialised.

[Chanticleer]

Oh, I just haven't looked into any advanced books, I have the pdfs of a fair few though.  :-)

Kingmaker's little player guide makes it look like that it goes purely from corebook stuff though. Which kinda suits for what I'd do going in, start small and get accustomed to any differences to 3.5 before getting more involved with the system's nuances.

Hey Wander!

Kingmaker is such an early PF supplement that it predates most of the other classes. The link that Vergil supplied is an excellent resource. Go there, and in the left-hand column check out all of the Core, Base, Alternate, Hybrid and Occult classes.

Now then, buckle up Dorothy, get ready to leave Kansas and make sure your tray table is securely fashioned in the upright position; for EACH of those classes on the class page, you can scroll down to the bottom and you should see a table that says "Archetypes."

Each of those is a sort of a weird alternate version of the class. If you click the name on the left you'll get a short description. The table shows which of the original class's abilities are modified or lost when you take that alternate version (yes, you CAN take more than one if the changes don't overlap!). Some of them are amazing, a lot are very niche or bland.

I recommend we don't go into 3rd party stuff because it's off the hook enough already if all Paizo books are allowed. Thoughts?

[persephone325]

Stupid noob question; I assume that anything that specifically says "3rd party" is just that? There's no classes that are 3rd party that don't mention it?

[Vergil Tanner]

Yes, precisely. Anything "Third Party" is either listed in the "Third Party" section, or listed under a different company. Basically, anything not published by Paizo is Third Party, but in the SRD, all of the 3rd Party stuff should be marked as such.

EG, the Archetypes: You have them listed by company. The first company is Paizo, and everything else is TP.

[persephone325]

Yes, precisely. Anything "Third Party" is either listed in the "Third Party" section, or listed under a different company. Basically, anything not published by Paizo is Third Party, but in the SRD, all of the 3rd Party stuff should be marked as such.

EG, the Archetypes: You have them listed by company. The first company is Paizo, and everything else is TP.

Okey-dokey. I have a character sheet that I put a lot of effort into, but never got to use. I'm hoping I can use her, should I get accepted into the game that'll be happening. ^^

[Vergil Tanner]

I have about twelve on file. I went through a phase where I'd made two a day for fun. xD

[persephone325]

I have about twelve on file. I went through a phase where I'd made two a day for fun. xD

lol Same. Though some are sheets for familiars.