House Majority Leader Eric Cantor holds up Violence Against Women Act

[Stattick]

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Leahy explained the provision, probably the least understood of the three additions in the Senate bill: It gives tribal courts limited jurisdiction to oversee domestic violence offenses committed against Native American women by non-Native American men on tribal lands. Currently, federal and state law enforcement have jurisdiction over domestic violence on tribal lands, but in many cases, they are hours away and lack the resources to respond to those cases. Tribal courts, meanwhile, are on site and familiar with tribal laws, but lack the jurisdiction to address domestic violence on tribal lands when it is carried out by a non-Native American individual.

That means non-Native American men who abuse Native American women on tribal lands are essentially "immune from the law, and they know it," Leahy said.

The standoff over including VAWA protections for Native American women comes at a time of appallingly high levels of violence on tribal lands. One in three Native American women have been raped or experienced attempted rape, the New York Times reported in March, and the rate of sexual assault on Native American women is more than twice the national average. President Barack Obama has called violence on tribal lands "an affront to our shared humanity."

Of the Native American women who are raped, 86 percent of them are raped by non-Native men, according to an Amnesty International report. That statistic is precisely what the Senate's tribal provision targets.

Soo.... Eric Cantor is holding up a bill that had originally passed in 1994, and continued to be passed every two years afterwards without any issue, that protects battered and raped women... because he doesn't want white guys being tried in a tribal court. And in the interim, that leaves native women living on reservations unprotected by the law if they get beaten, raped, or abused by non-tribe members. Fucking disgusting.

[Beguile's Mistress]

I'm not sure how anyone else views it but that alone looks like abuse to me.

[Stattick]

I'm not sure how anyone else views it but that alone looks like abuse to me.

I'm sorry, I'm not following you. I don't know what you mean.  :-[

[Beguile's Mistress]

I'm sorry, I'm not following you. I don't know what you mean.  :-[

Holding up legislation to protect women from abuse is abusive in my book.

[Stattick]

Holding up legislation to protect women from abuse is abusive in my book.

Yeah, agreed.

[Serephino]

Apparently the right wing jackasses didn't learn a damned thing. 

[Missy]

It's amazing how stupid this is.


A human is a human is a human. If you violate a human's basic rights then you ought to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law by the appropriate authorities. If the ethnicity of the person in question affects your judgement then well, there's nothing nice to say to ya.

[Callie Del Noire]

In one way.. I'm understanding the concern about expanding powers.. BUT the intent.. I'm sorry.. I'd pass the act..then put in other legislation to help dove tail tribal land authorities with their peers across the border. This is a SERIOUS issue that should have been handled years ago. The jurisdiction issue and the domestic violence issue are seperate.

You can't NOT pass that. Definitely.

[Scribbles]

The additions are supported by Democrats and opposed by House Republicans, who are calling them politically driven.

So, the politicians in this political debate are opposed to the additions by their political counterparts based on the notion that they might be politically driven?

I honestly couldn't believe that to be the sole reason for opposing the bill as it just sounded so… hollow, unreasonable, and maybe even *gasp* politically driven.  So I decided to do a little digging and found this:

Link to Full Article

Republicans' biggest qualms are about provisions that make federal grants to domestic violence organizations contingent on nondiscrimination against gay, lesbian, and transgender victims; rules extending the authority of tribal courts over domestic violence matters; and a section that would provide more visas for abused undocumented women who agree to cooperate with law enforcement.

I actually wanted to believe the previously offered reason and pretend the others didn’t happen after seeing that...

Even if the suggestion to add non-discrimination is somehow redundant and politically motivated, I don't see the harm in including it. It would simply emphasize that the bill is all-inclusive, something which both parties apparently feel is important. The fact that the Republicans are intent on stonewalling a crucial bill over this non-issue just screams of “politicking” and yet they had the gall to point the finger at their opponents. At this point, the only difference between the two parties seems to be that the democrats are politicking for good reasons while the conservatives are politicking in the name of spite and elitism, especially when you consider that one of their reasons for opposing tribal law is this: “Republicans are opposing it because they don't like the idea of Native American law applying to non-tribe members.”

It has already been stated that native law can’t usurp the constitution and that due process is expected, so all concerns should be thoroughly quashed. It would help if the Republicans could give plausible issues but they’re certainly not doing anything for their case by offering naught but ominous warnings of “consequences” while brushing off all evidence as anecdotal...

[Callie Del Noire]

At this point, the only difference between the two parties seems to be that the democrats are politicking for good reasons while the conservatives are politicking in the name of spite and elitism, especially when you consider that one of their reasons for opposing tribal law is this: “Republicans are opposing it because they don't like the idea of Native American law applying to non-tribe members.”

It has already been stated that native law can’t usurp the constitution and that due process is expected, so all concerns should be thoroughly quashed. It would help if the Republicans could give plausible issues but they’re certainly not doing anything for their case by offering naught but ominous warnings of “consequences” while brushing off all evidence as anecdotal...

Thing is.. the US Government has done all they can to curtail and forstall tribal automomy while insisting that they have it. There is at least FIVE major cases that have been dragging their feet for YEARS dealing with the federal law requiring Native American children to be placed in suitable family enviroments with NATIVE American families over groups outside the tribal territories. With some states as high as 85% placement of children in NON-Tribal hand for DECADES.. it would seem apparent that there are some states not respecting it.. but the DoJ only just started investigating it.

The last thing some folks want it to better define Tribal autonomy. The fact that native Americans suffer is irrelevant for them.

[Scribbles]

Callie Del Noire,

I won't be surprised if the investigation itself goes on for a few years...

The last thing some folks want it to better define Tribal autonomy. The fact that native Americans suffer is irrelevant for them.

Sad but true, although a small part of me understands the fear of tribal autonomy, mostly from ignorance of native law among a few other reasons.

[vtboy]

What I find most mind-boggling about this is that, despite all the lip service being paid by Republicans since the recent election to remaking their image so as not to alienate women (and other groups of voters they have driven away), here they are in lockstep opposing an initiative to expand effective protection of women. This should really have been a no-brainer for them.

[Callie Del Noire]

What I find most mind-boggling about this is that, despite all the lip service being paid by Republicans since the recent election to remaking their image so as not to alienate women (and other groups of voters they have driven away), here they are in lockstep opposing an initiative to expand effective protection of women. This should really have been a no-brainer for them.

Ah but that was the election...surely you don't expect the public to care for another two years? Elections are done and besides...Native Americans on reservations DON'T VOTE IN FEDERAL ELECTIONS.

[vtboy]

If the GOP is ever going to undo some of the damage it has done to its standing among female voters, it has to start somewhere, and buttressing VAWA strikes me as being as good a place as any. Besides, the "optics" of the issue is not that the GOP is opposing expansion of the jurisdiction of tribal courts for any compelling reason, but simply again blowing off the needs of women as a sop to their perceived base of angry, self-absorbed white men.

In a way, I hope the Republicans continue in this vein, as they appear to be continuing to do all they can to return the House to Democratic control in '14.

[Callie Del Noire]

If the GOP is ever going to undo some of the damage it has done to its standing among female voters, it has to start somewhere, and buttressing VAWA strikes me as being as good a place as any. Besides, the "optics" of the issue is not that the GOP is opposing expansion of the jurisdiction of tribal courts for any compelling reason, but simply again blowing off the needs of women as a sop to their perceived base of angry, self-absorbed white men.

In a way, I hope the Republicans continue in this vein, as they appear to be continuing to do all they can to return the House to Democratic control in '14.

You are looking at it from one point of view.. the guys involved are looking at it as ceding more autonomy to the Native Nations..which is a BAD thing to some of them. You already have MAJOR issues dealing with mineral and water rights, and Native autonomy is a tender issue on the federal level.  They are losing TONS of revenue from the casinos, the tribes aren't backing down on water rights..which means the folks who pay to elect them aren't getting what they WANT.

So, something as minimally important as protecting women from assault takes a back seat to ensuring the government doesn't concede more autonomy to the Native Nations.. Tribal Sovereignty is a really touchy issue and a LOT of folks in the House/Senate aren't going to empower them more.

Now, me.. as much as I support the Native Sovereignty issue.. I hope the media FUCKS THEM UP on this. It's definitely something that was stupid, short sided and honestly.. to me.. setting up a clear cut precedence in law enforcement in situations like this benefits us ALL.

Personally.. I'd empower the tribal police on the level of a Federal Marshall (complete with training and budgets from the US Marshall) and work to set up jurisdictional levels from there. You have accountability and authority covered.

[Scribbles]

I've been digging a little further and found this:

Link to Full Article

Yet there is a real need for a re-evaluation of the law. The U.S. Department of Justice recently issued several reports exposing blatant instances of fraud and abuse in the use of the VAWA grant funds, but there was no discussion of how to address these problems and the need for greater accountability during the law’s reauthorization.

Additionally, the law creates duplicate programs for services already offered by other federal agencies and contains millions of dollars in grants that have not been adequately monitored by the Government Accountability Office to determine their effectiveness. Victims and Americans generally are shortchanged by such a lack of oversight.

This actually gave me pause on the whole issue. If this is true, especially the part I've bolded, then I think I can understand the stance of the Republican party a little better. I've seen instances where duplicate programs can cause massive headaches for both government as well as the victims involved. I'm going to keep digging since I'm not sure what to think at this point but I thought I should link this as some food for thought. There were a few contradictory statements when compared with the other articles which makes it difficult to confirm which is true, such as whether or not non-natives are protected by the constitution when tried in a native court. Granted, the article is old so they may have addressed these issues already plus I don't see why a person's rights wouldn't be protected by the constitution considering that it's supposed to be all-encompassing. As for the comments on fraud, I don't see why methods for combatting such crimes can't be discussed AFTER the bill has passed and suggested as amendments. Just because some are abusing a law doesn't mean that they should withold it from those who actually need it.

[Caela]

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Soo.... Eric Cantor is holding up a bill that had originally passed in 1994, and continued to be passed every two years afterwards without any issue, that protects battered and raped women... because he doesn't want white guys being tried in a tribal court. And in the interim, that leaves native women living on reservations unprotected by the law if they get beaten, raped, or abused by non-tribe members. Fucking disgusting.

My question is, why the hell does this need to come for review every two years? Why is it not just done?

And I'm sorry for the politician or local boys clubs near the reservations, but if you don't want your local boys being tried in a Tribal Court, tell them to either stay the fuck off tribal lands or to fucking behave while they're there! No one should be immune from prosecution (for anything illegal) just because they are on someone else's land.

[Callie Del Noire]

My question is, why the hell does this need to come for review every two years? Why is it not just done?

And I'm sorry for the politician or local boys clubs near the reservations, but if you don't want your local boys being tried in a Tribal Court, tell them to either stay the fuck off tribal lands or to fucking behave while they're there! No one should be immune from prosecution (for anything illegal) just because they are on someone else's land.

I don't think it is that they are immune such as the tribal authorities don't have a clearly defined jurisdiction in some areas.  To me it seems cut and dried, the reservations have autonomy and sovereignty why not give the jurisdictional powers to match? Apparently to congress that is a bad thing.

[Tsenta]

Anyone think he'd try to add some sort of loophole if we drug HIM to reservations and sexually violated him?

[Oniya]

Anyone think he'd try to add some sort of loophole if we drug HIM to reservations and sexually violated him?

Well, if it's a non-Native on non-Native crime on the reservation, I think the state still has jurisdiction.  If it's a Native violating a non-Native on the reservation, then tribal court gets it.  I think that's his loophole right there.

[Callie Del Noire]

Anyone think he'd try to add some sort of loophole if we drug HIM to reservations and sexually violated him?

Well clearly if someone did that it would be a federal case.. he's ERIC CANTOR of course. Not to mention it would fall under FBI jurisdiction since it was a kidnapping.

Somedays I wish that there was a way for 'Ironic Justice' where men who pull this shit had to live a woman's life that suffers through this. I doubt they would be so cavalier.

[Oniya]

Not to mention it would fall under FBI jurisdiction since it was a kidnapping.

Missed that bit.

*goes for more coffee*

[Skynet]

One of my friends, several years ago, said that even if Republican politicians don't realize it or think of themselves this way, they're all white supremacists at heart.

At the time I thought that he was crazy to say this.

But when I see stories like this, I can understand where he's coming from, even if I disagree.

Make no mistake: the GOP as of late has been very hostile to the welfare and dignity of women and people of color, and Cantor's behavior in this case is 100% racially motivated (and quite a lot of misogyny as well).

[Stattick]

My question is, why the hell does this need to come for review every two years? Why is it not just done?

No. Fucking. Clue.

[Shjade]

Welp, guess I have a new story to link whenever I hear someone say America's not a racist country.

[Callie Del Noire]

Welp, guess I have a new story to link whenever I hear someone say America's not a racist country.

We're not. The GOP is just run by them these days.

[Shjade]

And who puts the GOP folks where they are?

[Skynet]

And who puts the GOP folks where they are?

Ultra-conservative Tea Party types.  And people selfish enough to vote for crazy candidates because they promised tax cuts, even if they personally disagree with the bigotry.  Trust me, there's a lot of liberals, moderates, women, and people of color who are not happy with the current crop of leadership.  And the GOP's getting so extreme and bigoted that the whole "tax cut" routine isn't working anymore.

I will say that there are problems with race in the US.  We have come very far, when members of certain races couldn't even vote or get fair trials decades ago, but there are still some racist expressions and stereotypes in the media which are either tolerated or go unchallenged.  Some of them are dead and buried, like blackface minstrel shows, but others, like the image of Latinos being lusty and sexually uninhibited, are still present.

[Callie Del Noire]

And who puts the GOP folks where they are?

I didn't.. which is why I've been called a 'RINO'. The GOP is run by a group of old men who want to keep control against a more socially moderate generation.. which is leaving the party for libertarian independence. The Tea Party was hijacked by it's radical fringe and then it was used to keep those old men in control of the party. A lot of the men in the party learned their lessons under Tricky Dick and his minions.

[Skynet]

Even Richard Nixon realized that some rhetoric just isn't practical or needs to be abandoned.  He helped create OSHA, EPA, opened negotiations with China, and helped desegregate schools.  He was ultra-conservative by the standards of the time, but on some issues he went liberal when he thought that it was necessary.

As Hunter S Thompson said:

"Even Nixon's a bleeding-heart liberal in comparison to that golem, George Bush!  Where's Tricky Dick now that we finally need him?"

[Callie Del Noire]

Even Richard Nixon realized that some rhetoric just isn't practical or needs to be abandoned.  He helped create OSHA, EPA, opened negotiations with China, and helped desegregate schools.  He was ultra-conservative by the standards of the time, but on some issues he went liberal when he thought that it was necessary.

As Hunter S Thompson said:

"Even Nixon's a bleeding-heart liberal in comparison to that golem, George Bush!  Where's Tricky Dick now that we finally need him?"

I have always thought Nixon was better at foreign policy than domestic. I didn't realize he had created OSHA/EPA.. or rather.. it never registered. He was a very good statesman.. domestic issues not so much. I honestly think if he had been better at handling domestic issues and rivals, he could have set something in play in the Middle East..

[Stattick]

The bill's officially dead now. For the GOP's next trick, Chris Christie and House Republicans are getting in line to punch Boehner in the dick for refusing to pass Hurricane Sandy relief as the party disintegrates before our very eyes.

[Callie Del Noire]

The bill's officially dead now. For the GOP's next trick, Chris Christie and House Republicans are getting in line to punch Boehner in the dick for refusing to pass Hurricane Sandy relief as the party disintegrates before our very eyes.

Does it make me a shallow person that I enjoy the thought of the Most Annoying Governor curb stomping the crap out of the Speaker.. who really really needs to go.

[Stattick]

Does it make me a shallow person that I enjoy the thought of the Most Annoying Governor curb stomping the crap out of the Speaker.. who really really needs to go.

Nah, not shallow at all. Problem is, Boehner passes for what's called a centrist Republican these days. If he goes, and after the recent fiasco he probably will, then House Republicans are likely to choose Tea Party lacky Eric Cantor for the next Speaker of the House... Not unless the House Republicans fracture so severely that they can't vote in a new Speaker. Remember, the Speaker isn't chosen by the bigger party per se. It's a simple majority vote to pick the Speaker. It's extremely unlikely to happen, but it's possible for the House to vote in a Speaker from the minority party. I don't think it'll happen, but in my heart, I'm hoping that the House GOP is so fractured, that we end up with Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D (again). I know it won't happen; the House Republicans hate her almost as much as they hate Obama.

But it's my (not so secret) fantasy. I want Nancy. Oh. Um... Want her as Speaker. Not the other way. Really. >.>

[Callie Del Noire]

Nah, not shallow at all. Problem is, Boehner passes for what's called a centrist Republican these days. If he goes, and after the recent fiasco he probably will, then House Republicans are likely to choose Tea Party lacky Eric Cantor for the next Speaker of the House... Not unless the House Republicans fracture so severely that they can't vote in a new Speaker. Remember, the Speaker isn't chosen by the bigger party per se. It's a simple majority vote to pick the Speaker. It's extremely unlikely to happen, but it's possible for the House to vote in a Speaker from the minority party. I don't think it'll happen, but in my heart, I'm hoping that the House GOP is so fractured, that we end up with Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D (again). I know it won't happen; the House Republicans hate her almost as much as they hate Obama.

But it's my (not so secret) fantasy. I want Nancy. Oh. Um... Want her as Speaker. Not the other way. Really. >.>

Sorry.. Pelosi is about as Authoritarian as Boehner is.. she'd be about as useful as she was the last time as Speaker.

[Callie Del Noire]

On a tangent related to the issue of rape..

The woman in India who was gangraped died earlier this week.. and clearly the Indian government is starting to do something

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/03/world/asia/india-rape-case/?hpt=hp_inthenews

I know that this is a MAJOR issue in India.. but I get a bit twitchy when I think about 'expedited trial'. Five of the six are being charged with counts of murder, kidnapping and rape, the men face charges including voluntarily causing harm during a robbery, armed robbery with murder, and destruction of evidence. That is MULTIPLE Life/Execution charges.

The sixth offender is being tested (bone marrow) to get an accurate age.

[Skynet]

The bill's officially dead now. For the GOP's next trick, Chris Christie and House Republicans are getting in line to punch Boehner in the dick for refusing to pass Hurricane Sandy relief as the party disintegrates before our very eyes.

The sad part is that Democratic leaders and Party members won't point out that the GOP destroyed the Act.  It's as though the Republicans have some vicious blackmail material which will destroy the Democrats, and they don't fight the GOP for fear of this getting exposed.

[Callie Del Noire]

The sad part is that Democratic leaders and Party members won't point out that the GOP destroyed the Act.  It's as though the Republicans have some vicious blackmail material which will destroy the Democrats, and they don't fight the GOP for fear of this getting exposed.

It's a non-issue in the media.. so they aren't going to waste capital on it. After all it would, at the time it flopped, would have distracted from the fiscal cliff.

Personally.. I'm curious to see who will be holding the gavel when the smoke clears and if the more.. responsible folks on both sides of the aisle that are looking to rebuild and restart this important act.

[Callie Del Noire]

You know.. I'm curious that someone hasn't bushwacked him with a question about the India rape case..then followed up with a question (if he answers about how India needs more legisslation on women's rights) about his killing the VAW act

[Skynet]

It's a non-issue in the media.. so they aren't going to waste capital on it. After all it would, at the time it flopped, would have distracted from the fiscal cliff.

Still no excuse; even if the cable news outlets won't pick it up, Reid, Pelosi, Biden, and the DNC can get someone to write an article and report of Cantor's deplorable actions, send it to a prominent liberal media website, and encourage the Democratic Congress members to keep bringing the issue up.

[Callie Del Noire]

Still no excuse; even if the cable news outlets won't pick it up, Reid, Pelosi, Biden, and the DNC can get someone to write an article and report of Cantor's deplorable actions, send it to a prominent liberal media website, and encourage the Democratic Congress members to keep bringing the issue up.

I agree.. just pointing out that the media attention to a different narrative at the time it died. The issue isn't dead. Supposedly there will be a discussion on it on NPR @ 10 today (since it's after midnight) and I'm looking to be up and listening. Word is that interested folks are looking to revive it again. It might have died.. but it's not a non-issue to some folks.

[Stattick]

Well, the US Senate has passed the Violence Against Women Act. Of course, there were 22 Senators that voted against the bill. Unsurprisingly, all of the dissenters were men. They were all Republicans as well.

Of course, the bill still has to go to the Republican controlled House, which is where the problem was last year.