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Offline TheLaughingOne

Re: Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd edition (seeking GM and other players)
« Reply #150 on: November 11, 2017, 11:11:18 PM »
To maybe relax on the top point - and certainly not putting my hat in! - since I don't know a thing about the system... Are vampires terribly broken for a reason? I mean, my only knowledge of Warhammer Fantasy comes from Total War, and... I-I really loved Sylvania and the Romanian accents and the Blood Kiss. And the Lahmian envoys. And there was even that tech that let you send in vampiric envoys to improve r-relations!

In terms of the system, are they not a playable race normally? And completely unable to blend in? Read some of "The Vampire Genevieve", but not very far, admittedly! It was an impulse buy. Ahem.

I think the thing is more a view of scaling, minis, vampires and them are just flat out more powerful then normal humans, and... well quote-unquote, evil. Its as if someone wanting to play a space marine in 40k, its so powerful it renders normal pcs superfluous, and there is likely enough info out there, or witch hunters familear and paranoid enough to look, it would draw that danger down on the party, which is fine if your playing some renegade thing... but imperials...? Nah. No good.

Offline DeviantMunster

Re: Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd edition (seeking GM and other players)
« Reply #151 on: November 11, 2017, 11:17:31 PM »
Really? Fluff wise, Stirland had no idea the Counts returned, and it seemed pretty secretive. And the Lahmian consorts seemed... well. Quite able to blend in high-life easily.

They also aren't liked by Chaos and are almost perfectly hated enemies! So suggesting they couldn't play into a party seems a stretch. There's also the original Blood Knight, Abhorash whom seemed to feel regret. And Jerek. And Gen in the fluff.

Of course, they're mostly evil, but I think it's important to remember PCs aren't NPCs - they're not there to fill the world, they're supposed to be your special snowflakes.

But if they're actually as strong as Space Marines, even if newly created, that's a strong point! And makes sense. I think it's just a shame that World of Darkness seems to have the only respectable vampires for system gameplay! Huff.

Anyway, carry on!

Offline TheLaughingOne

Re: Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd edition (seeking GM and other players)
« Reply #152 on: November 11, 2017, 11:54:17 PM »
Ill admit fluff wise i dont know much vampire wise...

But seemed to me that people knew something of them being about and the fact they feed on human blood amd raise undead or such puts a heavy negative light on them...

And as for evil... nothing saying you have to play a good human. Warhammer is about the moral greys of the world rather then dnds black and white morality.  But the thing to remember is nobody is likely to beleive in a good vampire, its like a peaceful ork. So thats going to draw extra conflict and issues to group.

And while special snowflake is onething, its another to make them your special avalanche by pushing them into mary sue territory by how special, wonderful, amazing and good they are.

And im not sure if they are as powerful as a space marine, i meant the analogy as a scale thing, its Like wanting to play a marine in a human only game, completely overshadows the pcs to the point the book flat out saying "no vampire pcs."

And yeah, kinda a shame, but most these fantasy games vampires are big threat creatures, not suitable for characters.

Offline RubySlippers

Re: Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd edition (seeking GM and other players)
« Reply #153 on: November 12, 2017, 01:07:58 PM »
Well I'm a BIG role-player for me its trying to survive and have an interesting life Sailor works into Rogue then into some fun options and learning criminal skills if I want to jump careers should be easy enough or I might jump and be a student there are enough scholarly sorts to dabble in that for a bit. I am not generally a min/maxer in this game.

Offline Jezabelle

Re: Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd edition (seeking GM and other players)
« Reply #154 on: November 12, 2017, 06:01:22 PM »
To maybe relax on the top point - and certainly not putting my hat in! - since I don't know a thing about the system... Are vampires terribly broken for a reason? I mean, my only knowledge of Warhammer Fantasy comes from Total War, and... I-I really loved Sylvania and the Romanian accents and the Blood Kiss. And the Lahmian envoys. And there was even that tech that let you send in vampiric envoys to improve r-relations!

In terms of the system, are they not a playable race normally? And completely unable to blend in? Read some of "The Vampire Genevieve", but not very far, admittedly! It was an impulse buy. Ahem.

It explicitly says to not use them as player characters, they're built to be boss monsters.  Aside from being far beyond the power level of a WFRP2e campaign, they are rigged up with silly weaknesses to exploit and horrible powers to avoid.  If one was running around with a bunch of other PCs, they'd quickly be turned into a bulldozer and the only things that would threaten them--especially at beginning careers--would steam roll anyone else.

This is a system where dying in your first combat encounter is not really off the table, so lots of us are apprehensive about anything that might up the difficulty level.  It is not simply "muh immersion" and it's not that I do not want people who are into vampires to have fun or something, but it would require a lot of trickery on the DM's part to make them work as-written in a campaign (i.e. putting things on Total Warhammer-level thing, like those peasant militia and shit you see getting thrown at each other and dying in the hundreds?  Those are the PCs of WFRP2e, fragile and swiftly forgotten).

Online Drowdeviant

Re: Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd edition (seeking GM and other players)
« Reply #155 on: November 12, 2017, 06:10:59 PM »
It explicitly says to not use them as player characters, they're built to be boss monsters.  Aside from being far beyond the power level of a WFRP2e campaign, they are rigged up with silly weaknesses to exploit and horrible powers to avoid.  If one was running around with a bunch of other PCs, they'd quickly be turned into a bulldozer and the only things that would threaten them--especially at beginning careers--would steam roll anyone else.

This is a system where dying in your first combat encounter is not really off the table, so lots of us are apprehensive about anything that might up the difficulty level.  It is not simply "muh immersion" and it's not that I do not want people who are into vampires to have fun or something, but it would require a lot of trickery on the DM's part to make them work as-written in a campaign (i.e. putting things on Total Warhammer-level thing, like those peasant militia and shit you see getting thrown at each other and dying in the hundreds?  Those are the PCs of WFRP2e, fragile and swiftly forgotten).

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Offline Thufir Hawat

Re: Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd edition (seeking GM and other players)
« Reply #156 on: November 14, 2017, 03:54:02 PM »
To maybe relax on the top point - and certainly not putting my hat in! - since I don't know a thing about the system... Are vampires terribly broken for a reason? I mean, my only knowledge of Warhammer Fantasy comes from Total War, and... I-I really loved Sylvania and the Romanian accents and the Blood Kiss. And the Lahmian envoys. And there was even that tech that let you send in vampiric envoys to improve r-relations!

In terms of the system, are they not a playable race normally? And completely unable to blend in? Read some of "The Vampire Genevieve", but not very far, admittedly! It was an impulse buy. Ahem.
More or less yes, they aren't meant to be a playable race. There's nothing "grey" about them, either, and having them in the party presumes a lot about the other PCs, which in turn removes a lot of interesting questions the game poses.
Like, a lot of times the question is "how many compromises you are willing to do".
If you don't have a vampire in the party, it is a real question. Putting up with, say, a corrupr noble actually tells us something about the player characters, and it ain't nice, but it's something we didn't know. Similarly, deciding to draw the line there also tells us something.

If you do have a vampire in the party? No such questions!
Well, the noble sure isn't as bad as one of the PCs that we put up with already. So of course we're going to let the noble do whatever, and get the benefits of having a noble on our side!
And it tells us nothing. Because the party already had a vampire.
Similarly, drawing the line tells us nothing, except that the PCs are being arbitrary. I mean, working with a vampire to stop a corrupt noble is like tolerating people shooting Snuff Movies in order to prevent marijuana deals.

So the reasons aren't just mechanical, vampires simply don't fit the genre. They are boss monsters, and while they are the way they are, it is the only possible niche.
Them being able to fit in with the High life is a commentary on the way the high life is presented in the genre, not any kind of proof that they can fit with humans.

Offline RubySlippers

Re: Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd edition (seeking GM and other players)
« Reply #157 on: November 14, 2017, 04:04:31 PM »
Here is my characters theory when meeting a vampire, its a complex plan - grovel and grovel harder hoping it won't kill my gal. They seem from my limited research kind of decent if you give them loads of respect.

Online Drowdeviant

Re: Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd edition (seeking GM and other players)
« Reply #158 on: November 14, 2017, 04:14:16 PM »
...Well I think I'm gonna pull out of this one then. Kind of starting to get the feeling I'm no longer welcome. ^-^;

Good gaming everyone. ;)

Offline RubySlippers

Re: Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd edition (seeking GM and other players)
« Reply #159 on: November 14, 2017, 04:32:19 PM »
Nooooo your the only normal sized woman my gal can bed, and we need you to unleash lightning and fire all over the hordes opposed to us.

Online Drowdeviant

Re: Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd edition (seeking GM and other players)
« Reply #160 on: November 14, 2017, 04:45:45 PM »
Nooooo your the only normal sized woman my gal can bed, and we need you to unleash lightning and fire all over the hordes opposed to us.

Sorry Ruby, it's just the abrupt tone shift kind of the conversation has zapped me of interest for this one.

I get everyone's concerns, but there's a way to voice them without it all sounding like I'm trying to mary sue my character and that my silly little ideas for me get taken to mean I'll whine like a little bitch if I don't get my way. I get the tone of the old world 100%, still doesn't mean I can't hope for the best mind you. :P

I'll stop now lest someone think I'm calling them an asshole. Good day everyone.

Offline Thufir Hawat

Re: Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd edition (seeking GM and other players)
« Reply #161 on: November 14, 2017, 04:47:01 PM »
I'm not saying anything about your current character. But I felt that I had to explain my opposition to bloodsuckers in the party.

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Re: Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd edition (seeking GM and other players)
« Reply #162 on: November 14, 2017, 05:07:38 PM »
I'm not saying anything about your current character. But I felt that I had to explain my opposition to bloodsuckers in the party.

Thufir becoming a bloodsucker was a possible idea for my character so...Kind of can't talk about one without making mention to the other. ^_^;

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« Reply #163 on: November 17, 2017, 10:04:03 PM »
*waves to Wander*  Did we scare you away? 

Offline Thufir Hawat

Re: Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd edition (seeking GM and other players)
« Reply #164 on: November 18, 2017, 11:59:44 AM »
Thufir becoming a bloodsucker was a possible idea for my character so...Kind of can't talk about one without making mention to the other. ^_^;
Then consider this my statement on why I believe this idea sucks, and unlike many others, sucks for the other PCs as well.

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« Reply #165 on: November 19, 2017, 12:12:39 AM »
  Gah.  Feathfall hasn't been around for sixteen days.  Probably ran screaming to the far side of the net.  *Sighes* 

Offline Thufir Hawat

Re: Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd edition (seeking GM and other players)
« Reply #166 on: November 20, 2017, 01:31:26 PM »
  Gah.  Feathfall hasn't been around for sixteen days.  Probably ran screaming to the far side of the net.  *Sighes*

And now we really have to get you to run something... >:)

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Re: Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd edition (seeking GM and other players)
« Reply #167 on: November 20, 2017, 01:37:15 PM »
And now we really have to get you to run something... >:)

xD Well then hope no one drops off the map Thufir, Muse has the habit of stopping things if someone is absent.

*hugs Muse and tries to whisk him away before these people add another game onto his already overfilled GM plate*

Offline Jezabelle

Re: Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd edition (seeking GM and other players)
« Reply #168 on: December 11, 2017, 03:57:28 AM »
I've got years of experience running this system but cannot commit during the holiday season.  Still, it's insane the interest thread for this is still alive.

So if we make it to a month from now and nobody else steps up just OK me until I run it.

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Re: Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd edition (seeking GM and other players)
« Reply #169 on: December 12, 2017, 12:42:11 PM »
  AWesome!  :)