Fracturing the Shoutbox

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Will

Then the internet may not be for you. *laughs*
If you can heal the symptoms, but not affect the cause
It's like trying to heal a gunshot wound with gauze

One day, I will find the right words, and they will be simple.
- Jack Kerouac

Kip

Quote from: Eden on July 28, 2009, 10:19:55 AM
*shrugs* Because I don't want to make friends with a lie, as cheesy as that sounds.

I can understand Eden's position here...

I don't mind a good mix of rp and reality when socialising but I do enjoy the socialising - getting to know the writers as seperate from their characters.  I enjoy that side of things...

Each to their own though.... it's a personal choice to limit that side of things and I can appreciate that even if I choose not to myself.

"You say good start, I say perfect ending. 
This world has no heart and mine is beyond mending."
~Jay Brannan~

"Am I an angel or a monster?  A hero or a villian? Why can't I see the difference?"
~Mohinder Suresh~

Nadir

Quote from: Will1984 on July 28, 2009, 10:21:31 AM
Then the internet may not be for you. *laughs*

*rolls eyes*

Predictable reply. I'm just saying I want a place to relax that is non-game.

Oniya

Here's a radical idea - why not simply have two.  No special privileges, no special restrictions, just 'Lounge 1' and 'Lounge 2'.  If you don't want to do 'casual RP', and something like that looks like it's happening in Lounge 1, go over to Lounge 2.  If Lounge 1 is engaged in some off-beat conversation and you'd rather chat about something less serious, hop into Lounge 2.  Or vice-versa.
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Haibane

#79
Quote from: Eden on July 28, 2009, 10:09:46 AM
Furries are RP characters. I want to talk to the writers, not their characters.
This is what Greenthorn is saying, I think, the characters *are* their personas. 24/7 in some cases. They are not role-playing, they are this way all the time. By meeting 'the furry' you are meeting them. If that's not ideal for you then don't engage them in conversation.

Nadir

Persona and character have exactly the same meaning.

Haibane

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Quote from: Eden on July 28, 2009, 10:28:45 AM
Persona and character have exactly the same meaning.
I edited my post to try and make it clearer.

Another way of looking at it: I am Haibane, a 24 year old English woman. Why should I change out of that persona and behave differently just because someone wants a SB where you have to play a character.

Karma

Eden, dear... where does that concept stop? If you want to get past the "lie," then you might as well not talk to anyone online that doesn't act exactly the same way as they would in person... which is everyone.

Will

Quote from: Haibane on July 28, 2009, 10:27:39 AM
This is what Greenthorn is saying, I think, the characters *are* their personas. 24/7 in some cases.

Exactly, and keeping them out of a certain part of the site can't do anything but cause hurt feelings and resentment.  No Furries Allowed?  Wow.  Harsh.  They're not hurting anyone.
If you can heal the symptoms, but not affect the cause
It's like trying to heal a gunshot wound with gauze

One day, I will find the right words, and they will be simple.
- Jack Kerouac

Kip

Quote from: Karma on July 28, 2009, 10:31:24 AM
Eden, dear... where does that concept stop? If you want to get past the "lie," then you might as well not talk to anyone online that doesn't act exactly the same way as they would in person... which is everyone.

I don't think thats quite the point - How I interact here is definitely different to how I would face to face but I'm not a character in the SB here...   I do think that there is a distinct difference between character and the writer which is what I think Eden is trying to say.

Having said that, I don't think that splitting the SB to try and distinguish between character and writer is sustainable either....

"You say good start, I say perfect ending. 
This world has no heart and mine is beyond mending."
~Jay Brannan~

"Am I an angel or a monster?  A hero or a villian? Why can't I see the difference?"
~Mohinder Suresh~

Nadir

#85
Quote from: Haibane on July 28, 2009, 10:27:39 AM
This is what Greenthorn is saying, I think, the characters *are* their personas. 24/7 in some cases. They are not role-playing, they are this way all the time. By meeting 'the furry' you are meeting them. If that's not ideal for you then don't engage them in conversation.

It's very difficult not to engage in a conversation with them when they persistently ignore personal space.

I have never been pounce/licked/tickled by a stranger in the SB who wasn't sporting a set of ears. They think it's okay to do it because they are playing their characters and assume they are cute and welcome.

Taken from a PM I sent to GT, I just want a place where I can turn off. Having someone pretend to be a cat in a place where I'm trying to disassociate with the characters in my mind is counter-productive. I do not want to be around people dominated by their characters while I'm trying to reassert my own personality after an intense writing session. 

Quote from: Karma on July 28, 2009, 10:31:24 AM
Eden, dear... where does that concept stop? If you want to get past the "lie," then you might as well not talk to anyone online that doesn't act exactly the same way as they would in person... which is everyone.

There are characters and there are the people who create them. I know I am not the person I appear to be online, I am not so stupid as to think any of you are as you are here. But like Kip says, it is not what I mean.


Edit - If the SB isn't the place to get some non-game relaxation, can there be? I do not want to make anyone feel victimised, but I don't think I should have to go off the forum to find a space to unwind, that is totally deprived of any RP-related discussion.

Will

If a member consistently ignores personal space, there are ways of dealing with that.  I also disagree that only furries are responsible for that behavior, and there have definitely been non-furries that took IC interaction into OOC spaces.
If you can heal the symptoms, but not affect the cause
It's like trying to heal a gunshot wound with gauze

One day, I will find the right words, and they will be simple.
- Jack Kerouac

Nadir

Quote from: Will1984 on July 28, 2009, 10:46:53 AM
If a member consistently ignores personal space, there are ways of dealing with that.  I also disagree that only furries are responsible for that behavior, and there have definitely been non-furries that took IC interaction into OOC spaces.

Which is why I'm asking for a non-game area.

Will

Quote from: Eden on July 28, 2009, 10:48:52 AM
Which is why I'm asking for a non-game area.

Where furries would be forcibly excluded?
If you can heal the symptoms, but not affect the cause
It's like trying to heal a gunshot wound with gauze

One day, I will find the right words, and they will be simple.
- Jack Kerouac

Greenthorn

Create a thread then?

Fracturing the SB to disclude a group isn't very...nice.
 

Nadir

Quote from: Will1984 on July 28, 2009, 10:51:51 AM
Where furries would be forcibly excluded?

No, where characters would be left on the coat hook. It wouldn't disclude anyone, just not include characters.

Valerian

Okay, everyone take a breath.

Any fracturing of the SB will end up excluding people from some parts of the SB, if only because those parts will be aimed at certain types of discussions, or light RP (including furry personas), or something else that simply doesn't interest everyone.

This discussion is entirely theoretical at this point anyway.  Everyone remember that, please, and take a step back.
"To live honorably, to harm no one, to give to each his due."
~ Ulpian, c. 530 CE

Karma

I think a light RP shoutbox would be kinda neat. I wouldn't ever use it, probably, but I like the idea.

Scott

* Scott Hugs Everybody... :)
   

Dakota

Well this is easily solved, if you wan't to talk to ME call me Jay, it's not quite my real name but it suits a purpose, and its the name i give out online. Problem solved ><

Chevalier des Poissons

Let me pause the thred for a moment.

Would anyone mind telling me what is this HB people referred to in the page 3?
-I have Maro's heart, and I promise to take good care of it-

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Oniya

That would be the 'HotBox', found in Adult Socializing.
"Language was invented for one reason, boys - to woo women.~*~*~Don't think it's all been done before
And in that endeavor, laziness will not do." ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~Don't think we're never gonna win this war
Robin Williams-Dead Poets Society ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~Don't think your world's gonna fall apart
I do have a cause, though.  It's obscenity.  I'm for it.  - Tom Lehrer~*~All you need is your beautiful heart
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Requests updated March 17

Haibane

Quote from: Eden on July 28, 2009, 10:40:46 AM
It's very difficult not to engage in a conversation with them when they persistently ignore personal space.
This sounds like you have an issue with an individual, in which case the solution is to PM them and politely advise them of the issues you have regarding personal space. If they ignore a polite request then it's time to advise a deity about their conduct.

This does not sound like an issue with furries per se but with individuals, in which case that is something for you to address and not an issue for the SB to be configured to.

QuoteI have never been pounce/licked/tickled by a stranger in the SB who wasn't sporting a set of ears. They think it's okay to do it because they are playing their characters and assume they are cute and welcome.
The solution is easy. Tell them that behaviour is not welcome.

QuoteHaving someone pretend to be a cat in a place where I'm trying to disassociate with the characters in my mind is counter-productive.
I don't think you are understanding what some of us are saying. This person may not be *pretending* to be a cat. They may actually see themselves as a cat. What they are doing *is* their usual behaviour. Your stance could be likened to telling a gay person to stop playing at being gay and be their normal heterosexual self for a while.

QuoteI do not want to be around people dominated by their characters while I'm trying to reassert my own personality after an intense writing session.
Once again, who says they are dominated by 'characters'? If people are winding you up in the SB you just have to ask them to stop.

QuoteEdit - If the SB isn't the place to get some non-game relaxation, can there be?
Chat room?

Nadir

Quote from: Haibane on July 28, 2009, 05:24:26 PM
  I don't think you are understanding what some of us are saying. This person may not be *pretending* to be a cat. They may actually see themselves as a cat. What they are doing *is* their usual behaviour. Your stance could be likened to telling a gay person to stop playing at being gay and be their normal heterosexual self for a while.

The fact they can communicate using a computer proves they are not cats.

Trieste

Garfield noooooooo!

He told me he was Garfield. :(